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Dude...I lived there from age 3 to 15...it's not a lovely place 
(well, Logan Central isn't)
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The General Election
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Dude...I lived there from age 3 to 15...it's not a lovely place (well, Logan Central isn't)DavinMochrie
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I was being kind.
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Something to think for our young men, I agree the world is overpopolated, BUT Australia is still underpopolated. We still need more children.
Having children is a privilege, a luxury? Isn't this a little self centred? But I do agree with the 'election bribery' about the money, it should have a cutoff aplied, like if people earn more then $ 50000 then no baby money will be paid. I still remember when the state government the first time paid the $ 50 on the beginn of school for uniforms and books. One rich lady said in the paper, what this for, what should I do with this?
And remember, God created us to get married, have a happy family with at least two children to replace the parents. And think about the joy and laughter with children in the house. They are a gift from God.
Having children is a privilege, a luxury? Isn't this a little self centred? But I do agree with the 'election bribery' about the money, it should have a cutoff aplied, like if people earn more then $ 50000 then no baby money will be paid. I still remember when the state government the first time paid the $ 50 on the beginn of school for uniforms and books. One rich lady said in the paper, what this for, what should I do with this?
And remember, God created us to get married, have a happy family with at least two children to replace the parents. And think about the joy and laughter with children in the house. They are a gift from God.
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DavinMochrie
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Please explain? [To quote a redhead]
This is the only thing God created us for?????????
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Yes having children is a priveledge - no it's not a luxury.
Ask any parent and most (well the ones that care) have to give up several luxuries and take on several responsibilities.
The baby bonus became an entitlement because the government decided to hand it out.
People would still have babies without the baby bonus, but I don't imagine that people would be too happy if the govt. decided to scrap it.
Same as people would be unhappy if you scrapped unemployment benefits and pensions. (which are also benefits that get abused, I know people personally who do this and it makes my blood boil)
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Now I know why I've heard of it - it's one of the places we were looking at moving to late last year.
This is the only thing God created us for?????????
[/quote]Thankfully no it's not the only thing God created us for, but in my mind it is a significant part of the calling for SOME, not all people.
I do firmly believe that there are some people that really shouldn't have children, not if it's what God has called them to. Children are a big responsibility and there are some people that need to do other things than raise children. Because raising a child takes longer than 18 years IMO.
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This is so true, we are parents for life - and happy and proud of it. And to rejoy and remember your own children when you play with your grand children.
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Hey - take it easy - my eldest is only 5, however knows who he is going to marry and has a name picked out for his first child lol.
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I've just completed reading the new book by MacKay 'Advance Australia ..Where?' His book raised some important questions that require our consideration. For example, with the levels of consumption so high, with individual debt so high and with depression rampant, especially but not only amongst Australian youth, what place does politics and political decisionmaking have to contribute to these concerns? As a Christian with, I will admit, definite leanings towards social justice, accountability of those in power and a belief that I am called to stand with and stand up for the marginalised and those whose voices have been silenced, I am finding the thought of another term of neo-conservative government a bitter thought.
Let your political decision making be based on considered thought rather than a knee jerk reaction to some media coverage of an individual or event. I accept that many Christians will hold views different, even opposite to mine. If they have been reasoned and can be argued based on facts rather than emotion and can be articulated by their owner than I applaud their critical thinking skills if not their eventual choice. Let's consider what is important, be critical thinkers of ideas and look beyond the latest media splurge for substance and integrity.
Scariest for me are those Christians who let others do their thinking for them. I can't believe that when I stand before the throne of grace that my answer to a charge of irresponsible citizenship 'It was all too hard' will reflect well on my use of one of our greatest gifts - our mind.
Let your political decision making be based on considered thought rather than a knee jerk reaction to some media coverage of an individual or event. I accept that many Christians will hold views different, even opposite to mine. If they have been reasoned and can be argued based on facts rather than emotion and can be articulated by their owner than I applaud their critical thinking skills if not their eventual choice. Let's consider what is important, be critical thinkers of ideas and look beyond the latest media splurge for substance and integrity.
Scariest for me are those Christians who let others do their thinking for them. I can't believe that when I stand before the throne of grace that my answer to a charge of irresponsible citizenship 'It was all too hard' will reflect well on my use of one of our greatest gifts - our mind.
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DavinMochrie
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Wow, I didn't know other Christians felt like this.
Lately I've been blasted by Christians who are very pro-war, pro-violence, and pro-big capitalism.
Hmmmm maybe it's because we are Aussies that it doesn't happen in this area of the forum!
As to your words, I agree!!
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Another book that has left some powerful ideas with me is one by Alan De Botton called 'Status Anxiety'. Whilst not a Christian - he is very clear about that - his analysis of the 'human condition' (as Christian -speak might call it) is very insightful. He describes the effect on the individul as well as the wider society of the person's search for status - to understand how he uses the term you need to read the book. In my own work and research I have heard young people aspiring to occupations with high levels of income because of the status ascribed to it within our individualistic, consumerist society. How many lawyers and doctors and highly paid CEOs does our world need? What is the cost for individuals and their families as they pursue the high income, high status jobs? His book raises issues that writers and thinkers in the Christian tradition have traditionally raised. It too would be a useful read for those wanting to be responsible in their use of their vote. 'Affluenza' an Australian-focused book would be another book I encourage Christians to look at as they pray for and seek to live as children of the Father in this amazing and abundant land we call home. Finally, an organisation called The Australian Institute is a think thank organisation that is writing and researching contemporary Australian society in all its shades and hues. They have produced research papers and reports on a diverse range of issues that stimulate and challenge our thinking. They can be found on the web.
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It's cathastrophic again: Abbott blames State Health - Howard tries to cover up his doing nothing for clima change and hide behind terrorism - were will we go? Aboriginal people in the N.T. have been 'paid off' with 12 mill for a Nuclear waste and so on.
The REAL issues never get's to the people before any election, why? because politican and Newspapers make the issues and not the people.
The highest priority would be to stop the dual Health Departments: it's State OR Federal managed, but not both way. But which party give us this policy? Non.
I think it want be the best election, Howard has to go that why I vote labour, but it doesn't mean to much will change also.
The REAL issues never get's to the people before any election, why? because politican and Newspapers make the issues and not the people.
The highest priority would be to stop the dual Health Departments: it's State OR Federal managed, but not both way. But which party give us this policy? Non.
I think it want be the best election, Howard has to go that why I vote labour, but it doesn't mean to much will change also.
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Labor in NSW is currently under fire (as always). This time, it's the appaling state of one of the state's major hospitals, where pregnant women have been turned away while in severe pain and have miscarried in hospital toilets and waiting rooms. One doctor has blown the whistle on a meeting where they were told to cut funding because the hospital was in a Liberal seat.
It's time health went Federal. Medicare is federal, taxes are mostly federal, therefore the expenditure should be federal.
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It's time health went Federal. Medicare is federal, taxes are mostly federal, therefore the expenditure should be federal.
Very well said, fully agree with you. BUT? Which party will support us? Non!
Very well said, fully agree with you. BUT? Which party will support us? Non!
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John Spong is wrong
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Why against Julia? She seems very sincere and dedicated. Once Kevin goes she may be Australia's first female PM.
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John Spong is wrong
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One of the reasons for the baby bonus - which most people seem to have forgotten - was to entice women to have babies to prop up our dwindling population. We would be experiencing negative population growth if not for our massive intake of refugees.
We are (in the words of Danna Vale MP) aborting ourselves out of existence. 100,000+ Medicare-paid abortions each year - no civilized society should tolerate this. But rather than putting a stop to the abortions the pollies came up with the baby bonus idea - the baby bonus acts as a 'counterweight' to our 100,000+ abortions each year.
Not that I'm against a baby bonus per se, just uneasy with the motives behind it. Now if the reason for the baby bonus was financial assistance to the mother then I'm all for it. In fact I'm for an increase in the BB too. It should remain non-means tested but NOT be available to single mums.
We are (in the words of Danna Vale MP) aborting ourselves out of existence. 100,000+ Medicare-paid abortions each year - no civilized society should tolerate this.
But rather than putting a stop to the abortions the pollies came up with the baby bonus idea - the baby bonus acts as a 'counterweight' to our 100,000+ abortions each year.Not that I'm against a baby bonus per se, just uneasy with the motives behind it. Now if the reason for the baby bonus was financial assistance to the mother then I'm all for it. In fact I'm for an increase in the BB too. It should remain non-means tested but NOT be available to single mums.
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