The Four Gospels on Sabbath & Resurrection

[Dale]

There has been a lot of discussion on CF of the relation between the Jewish day of rest and worship, Saturday, and the Christian day of rest and worship, Sunday. When and how was this change made, and by who? Does the Bible authorize the church to change the day of worship? Gentile Christians were free of the Jewish food laws and other miscellaneous laws but Christians have always followed the Ten Commandments. Sabbath observance is one of those commandments. Is commemorating the Resurrection a sufficient reason to change the day of worship?


These discussions have generally assumed that the Gospels are silent on this. It is usually assumed that they do not discard Sabbath observance or give Sunday any special significance.


Translators have often tried to make the Bible sound more formal than it did in the original. They have often passed over details. All versions reflect the time when the translation took place. Young's Literal Translation attempts to avoid these problems.


In Young's Literal Translation, Sunday does have a special significance. It was not, as most other translations assume, simply the first day of the week.



Matthew 28
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)


28 And on the eve of the sabbaths, at the dawn, toward the first of the sabbaths, came Mary the Magdalene, and the other Mary, to see the sepulchre,
2 and lo, there came a great earthquake, for a messenger of the Lord, having come down out of heaven, having come, did roll away the stone from the door, and was sitting upon it,
3 and his countenance was as lightning, and his clothing white as snow,
4 and from the fear of him did the keepers shake, and they became as dead men.



Mark 16
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

16 And the sabbath having past, Mary the Magdalene, and Mary of James, and Salome, bought spices, that having come, they may anoint him,
2 and early in the morning of the first of the sabbaths, they come unto the sepulchre, at the rising of the sun,
3 and they said among themselves, `Who shall roll away for us the stone out of the door of the sepulchre?'


Luke 24
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

1 And on the first of the sabbaths, at early dawn, they came to the tomb, bearing the spices they made ready, and certain [others] with them,
2 and they found the stone having been rolled away from the tomb,
3 and having gone in, they found not the body of the Lord Jesus.



John 20
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

1 And on the first of the sabbaths, Mary the Magdalene doth come early (there being yet darkness) to the tomb, and she seeth the stone having been taken away out of the tomb,
2 she runneth, therefore, and cometh unto Simon Peter, and unto the other disciple whom Jesus was loving, and saith to them, `They took away the Lord out of the tomb, and we have not known where they laid him.'



The phrase “first of the sabbaths” appears in all four Gospels, in the YLT.
Surely it is important to understand what it means.

 

[Dale]

The term “first of the sabbaths” is found in all four Gospels. Moreover, it appears in connection with the resurrection, at the time of the Resurrection and the time that Christ's Resurrection was discovered or revealed to mortals. Not only does the phrase “first of the sabbaths” appear in all four Gospels, it appears in the same context in all four Gospels.

“First of the Sabbaths” might seem to be an odd phrase if you've never seen it before. What does it mean? The Jews had been celebrating Sabbaths for thousands of years. How would a Sabbath at this time be the first? Why is a Sunday referred to as a Sabbath? At first glance, this is a clash of concepts.

The conception presented in the Gospels is this: The Saturday that Christ was in the tomb was the last Jewish Sabbath. The Sunday that Christ resurrected from the dead is the first Christian Sabbath. In other words, the old Jewish Sabbath is dead, and Sunday is the new Christian Sabbath.

“First of the sabbaths” is something known to the Gospel authors but not known to the witnesses at the time of the event. Mary Magdalene and company didn't know that it was the first Christian Sabbath when they rose to go to the tomb. The Gospel authors do use the phrase to express one aspect of what we should think about the Resurrection. It does change the day of rest and worship. In that sense, it makes it clear that the followers of Jesus have a different religion from traditional Judaism. Christians continued to worship with Jews on Saturday for many years but Sunday had already assumed a special place in their thinking.

 

[Travis93]

Exodus 31:16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.
Exodus 31:17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

No sign of the sabbath ending here, it will last forever.

Deuteronomy 12:32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.
Deuteronomy 13:1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,
Deuteronomy 13:2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;
Deuteronomy 13:3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the Lord your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
Deuteronomy 13:4 Ye shall walk after the Lord your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.
Deuteronomy 13:5 And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the Lord your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the Lord thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.

 

[Bob S]

The term “first of the sabbaths” is found in all four Gospels. Moreover, it appears in connection with the resurrection, at the time of the Resurrection and the time that Christ's Resurrection was discovered or revealed to mortals. Not only does the phrase “first of the sabbaths” appear in all four Gospels, it appears in the same context in all four Gospels.

“First of the Sabbaths” might seem to be an odd phrase if you've never seen it before. What does it mean? The Jews had been celebrating Sabbaths for thousands of years. How would a Sabbath at this time be the first? Why is a Sunday referred to as a Sabbath? At first glance, this is a clash of concepts.

The conception presented in the Gospels is this: The Saturday that Christ was in the tomb was the last Jewish Sabbath. The Sunday that Christ resurrected from the dead is the first Christian Sabbath. In other words, the old Jewish Sabbath is dead, and Sunday is the new Christian Sabbath.

“First of the sabbaths” is something known to the Gospel authors but not known to the witnesses at the time of the event. Mary Magdalene and company didn't know that it was the first Christian Sabbath when they rose to go to the tomb. The Gospel authors do use the phrase to express one aspect of what we should think about the Resurrection. It does change the day of rest and worship. In that sense, it makes it clear that the followers of Jesus have a different religion from traditional Judaism. Christians continued to worship with Jews on Saturday for many years but Sunday had already assumed a special place in their thinking.

Look long and hard enough and you will find someone that agrees with the beliefs of another. The NLT is not the King James warmed over. They researched the earliest texts to determine what the original thoughts were. What past Christians believed about the 10 commandments doesn't make the 10 our guide today. Scripture plainly states that the 10 commandments were temporary laws given to Israel. Read and study Paul's writings in 2Cor3:7-11 and you will find that Christians are not under the covenant given to Israel. That covenant was the ministry of death written on stones. All the law could do is condemn and it certainly did just that. God didn't break His covenant with Israel, Israel broke it. God kept His promise, Israel didn't. When a covenant is broken it ceases to exist and that is what Paul wrote over and over. Travis can pound the keys all day and doing so does not make his belief system Biblical. Christians can pound the keys over and over declaring Sunday to be the Christian Sabbath, but that does not make make it the Bible Sabbath. The Sabbath of old Israel ceases to exist.

 

[Soyeong]

There has been a lot of discussion on CF of the relation between the Jewish day of rest and worship, Saturday, and the Christian day of rest and worship, Sunday. When and how was this change made, and by who? Does the Bible authorize the church to change the day of worship?

From the Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine:

Question: Which is the Sabbath day?
Answer: Saturday is the Sabbath day.

Question: Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
Answer: We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.” -Rev. Peter Geiermann C.SS.R., The Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p. 50

http://www.sabbathtruth.com/sabbath-history/denominational-statements-on-the-sabbath/id/982/catholic
---

The Catholic Church had no authority to add to or subtract from God's law (Deuteronomy 4:2), so they had no authority to transfer the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday. In Genesis 2:3 God blessed the 7th day and made it holy, so we should treat as holy the things that God has made holy and not profane it. While people are certainly welcome to meet and worship on Sunday, that does not mean that they shouldn't also keep the Sabbath in obedience to God. God has a specific way that He wants to be worshipped, so the proper attitude should not be that we can have a holy convocation on whatever day way we want and God should be happy, but rather we should seek to worship God in the way that He wants to be worshipped. If the builders of the temple had decided that what God wanted was really just a temple, so they did have to follow all of God's instructions for how He wanted them to build it, then they would have been sinning.

Gentile Christians were free of the Jewish food laws and other miscellaneous laws but Christians have always followed the Ten Commandments. Sabbath observance is one of those commandments. Is commemorating the Resurrection a sufficient reason to change the day of worship?

God's laws are holy, righteous, and good (Romans 7:12) and we should delight in obeying them as Paul and David did (Romans 7:22, Psalms 1:1-2) rather than consider them something that we need to be set free from. It is our divine privilege to do by grace through faith what God has revealed to be holy, righteous, and good, which includes keeping His dietary laws. In 1 Peter 1:14-16, we are told to have a holy conduct, not because we are under the Old Covenant or because we should be like Jews, but rather we are to have a holy conduct because God is holy, so it is about identifying with God's holiness. Verse 16 references Leviticus where God was giving instructions for how to have a holy conduct, such as Leviticus 11:44-45, where God was giving His dietary laws. It should also be pretty straightforward that having a holy conduct involves keeping God's holy days. There's nothing wrong with traditions to celebrate other days, afterall Messiah celebrated Hanukkah (John 10:22-23), but these traditions should not keep us from obeying God's commands. Jesus criticized the Pharisees for setting aside God's commands to follow their own traditions (Mark 7:6-13).

These discussions have generally assumed that the Gospels are silent on this. It is usually assumed that they do not discard Sabbath observance or give Sunday any special significance.


Translators have often tried to make the Bible sound more formal than it did in the original. They have often passed over details. All versions reflect the time when the translation took place. Young's Literal Translation attempts to avoid these problems.


In Young's Literal Translation, Sunday does have a special significance. It was not, as most other translations assume, simply the first day of the week.



Matthew 28
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)


28 And on the eve of the sabbaths, at the dawn, toward the first of the sabbaths, came Mary the Magdalene, and the other Mary, to see the sepulchre,
2 and lo, there came a great earthquake, for a messenger of the Lord, having come down out of heaven, having come, did roll away the stone from the door, and was sitting upon it,
3 and his countenance was as lightning, and his clothing white as snow,
4 and from the fear of him did the keepers shake, and they became as dead men.



Mark 16
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

16 And the sabbath having past, Mary the Magdalene, and Mary of James, and Salome, bought spices, that having come, they may anoint him,
2 and early in the morning of the first of the sabbaths, they come unto the sepulchre, at the rising of the sun,
3 and they said among themselves, `Who shall roll away for us the stone out of the door of the sepulchre?'


Luke 24
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

1 And on the first of the sabbaths, at early dawn, they came to the tomb, bearing the spices they made ready, and certain [others] with them,
2 and they found the stone having been rolled away from the tomb,
3 and having gone in, they found not the body of the Lord Jesus.



John 20
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

1 And on the first of the sabbaths, Mary the Magdalene doth come early (there being yet darkness) to the tomb, and she seeth the stone having been taken away out of the tomb,
2 she runneth, therefore, and cometh unto Simon Peter, and unto the other disciple whom Jesus was loving, and saith to them, `They took away the Lord out of the tomb, and we have not known where they laid him.'



The phrase “first of the sabbaths” appears in all four Gospels, in the YLT.
Surely it is important to understand what it means.

The word used for "day of the week" is the Greek word "sabbaton". In its singular form, it means the 7th day Sabbath of God, but its plural form means the interval between two Sabbaths.

 

[bugkiller]

There has been a lot of discussion on CF of the relation between the Jewish day of rest and worship, Saturday, and the Christian day of rest and worship, Sunday. When and how was this change made, and by who? Does the Bible authorize the church to change the day of worship? Gentile Christians were free of the Jewish food laws and other miscellaneous laws but Christians have always followed the Ten Commandments. Sabbath observance is one of those commandments. Is commemorating the Resurrection a sufficient reason to change the day of worship?


These discussions have generally assumed that the Gospels are silent on this. It is usually assumed that they do not discard Sabbath observance or give Sunday any special significance.


Translators have often tried to make the Bible sound more formal than it did in the original. They have often passed over details. All versions reflect the time when the translation took place. Young's Literal Translation attempts to avoid these problems.


In Young's Literal Translation, Sunday does have a special significance. It was not, as most other translations assume, simply the first day of the week.



Matthew 28
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)


28 And on the eve of the sabbaths, at the dawn, toward the first of the sabbaths, came Mary the Magdalene, and the other Mary, to see the sepulchre,
2 and lo, there came a great earthquake, for a messenger of the Lord, having come down out of heaven, having come, did roll away the stone from the door, and was sitting upon it,
3 and his countenance was as lightning, and his clothing white as snow,
4 and from the fear of him did the keepers shake, and they became as dead men.



Mark 16
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

16 And the sabbath having past, Mary the Magdalene, and Mary of James, and Salome, bought spices, that having come, they may anoint him,
2 and early in the morning of the first of the sabbaths, they come unto the sepulchre, at the rising of the sun,
3 and they said among themselves, `Who shall roll away for us the stone out of the door of the sepulchre?'


Luke 24
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

1 And on the first of the sabbaths, at early dawn, they came to the tomb, bearing the spices they made ready, and certain [others] with them,
2 and they found the stone having been rolled away from the tomb,
3 and having gone in, they found not the body of the Lord Jesus.



John 20
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

1 And on the first of the sabbaths, Mary the Magdalene doth come early (there being yet darkness) to the tomb, and she seeth the stone having been taken away out of the tomb,
2 she runneth, therefore, and cometh unto Simon Peter, and unto the other disciple whom Jesus was loving, and saith to them, `They took away the Lord out of the tomb, and we have not known where they laid him.'



The phrase “first of the sabbaths” appears in all four Gospels, in the YLT.
Surely it is important to understand what it means.

The issue stems from the very loose use of the word Sabbath. Some here especially love quoting people who don't observe the 7th day Sabbath while they seem to teach the 10 Cs are applicable to Christians. This is why you will see in this forum talk about the covenants.

If you read Jeremiah, he says "new" specifically cutting a new (different) stone. He also says "not according to...." Then uses a conjunction "but" in the KJV or other words indifferent versions showing difference about the law written on the heart. Some here claim its the same law issued at Sinai.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

The term “first of the sabbaths” is found in all four Gospels. Moreover, it appears in connection with the resurrection, at the time of the Resurrection and the time that Christ's Resurrection was discovered or revealed to mortals. Not only does the phrase “first of the sabbaths” appear in all four Gospels, it appears in the same context in all four Gospels.

A more correct translation would be the first day toward the Sabbath.

“First of the Sabbaths” might seem to be an odd phrase if you've never seen it before. What does it mean? The Jews had been celebrating Sabbaths for thousands of years. How would a Sabbath at this time be the first? Why is a Sunday referred to as a Sabbath? At first glance, this is a clash of concepts.

It isn't.

The conception presented in the Gospels is this: The Saturday that Christ was in the tomb was the last Jewish Sabbath. The Sunday that Christ resurrected from the dead is the first Christian Sabbath. In other words, the old Jewish Sabbath is dead, and Sunday is the new Christian Sabbath.

“First of the sabbaths” is something known to the Gospel authors but not known to the witnesses at the time of the event. Mary Magdalene and company didn't know that it was the first Christian Sabbath when they rose to go to the tomb. The Gospel authors do use the phrase to express one aspect of what we should think about the Resurrection. It does change the day of rest and worship. In that sense, it makes it clear that the followers of Jesus have a different religion from traditional Judaism. Christians continued to worship with Jews on Saturday for many years but Sunday had already assumed a special place in their thinking.

Well I like your thinking, but it simply isn't correct.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Exodus 31:16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.
Exodus 31:17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

No sign of the sabbath ending here, it will last forever.

For who since you quoted it?

Deuteronomy 12:32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.
Deuteronomy 13:1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,
Deuteronomy 13:2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;
Deuteronomy 13:3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the Lord your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
Deuteronomy 13:4 Ye shall walk after the Lord your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.
Deuteronomy 13:5 And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the Lord your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the Lord thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.

Who is being addressed in the above quote?

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

From the Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine:

Question: Which is the Sabbath day?
Answer: Saturday is the Sabbath day.

Question: Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
Answer: We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.” -Rev. Peter Geiermann C.SS.R., The Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p. 50

http://www.sabbathtruth.com/sabbath-history/denominational-statements-on-the-sabbath/id/982/catholic
---

The Catholic Church had no authority to add to or subtract from God's law (Deuteronomy 4:2), so they had no authority to transfer the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday. In Genesis 2:3 God blessed the 7th day and made it holy, so we should treat as holy the things that God has made holy and not profane it. While people are certainly welcome to meet and worship on Sunday, that does not mean that they shouldn't also keep the Sabbath in obedience to God. God has a specific way that He wants to be worshipped, so the proper attitude should not be that we can have a holy convocation on whatever day way we want and God should be happy, but rather we should seek to worship God in the way that He wants to be worshipped. If the builders of the temple had decided that what God wanted was really just a temple, so they did have to follow all of God's instructions for how He wanted them to build it, then they would have been sinning.



God's laws are holy, righteous, and good (Romans 7:12) and we should delight in obeying them as Paul and David did (Romans 7:22, Psalms 1:1-2) rather than consider them something that we need to be set free from. It is our divine privilege to do by grace through faith what God has revealed to be holy, righteous, and good, which includes keeping His dietary laws. In 1 Peter 1:14-16, we are told to have a holy conduct, not because we are under the Old Covenant or because we should be like Jews, but rather we are to have a holy conduct because God is holy, so it is about identifying with God's holiness. Verse 16 references Leviticus where God was giving instructions for how to have a holy conduct, such as Leviticus 11:44-45, where God was giving His dietary laws. It should also be pretty straightforward that having a holy conduct involves keeping God's holy days. There's nothing wrong with traditions to celebrate other days, afterall Messiah celebrated Hanukkah (John 10:22-23), but these traditions should not keep us from obeying God's commands. Jesus criticized the Pharisees for setting aside God's commands to follow their own traditions (Mark 7:6-13).





The word used for "day of the week" is the Greek word "sabbaton". In its singular form, it means the 7th day Sabbath of God, but its plural form means the interval between two Sabbaths.

You argue organized religion.

bugkiller

 

[Travis93]

For who since you quoted it?Who is being addressed in the above quote?

bugkiller

Israel is being addressed, the same people to whom the new covenant is given. Notice the lack of unconverted gentiles in the description.
Jeremiah 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

Same group as before for the new covenant as the old, and since the law is perpetual and forever, the new covenant must include the same law just written on the heart, since God told them to reject people who lead you away from the law.

 

[bugkiller]

Israel is being addressed, the same people to whom the new covenant is given. Notice the lack of unconverted gentiles in the description.
Jeremiah 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

Same group as before for the new covenant as the old, and since the law is perpetual and forever, the new covenant must include the same law just written on the heart, since God told them to reject people who lead you away from the law.

If you read the Gospel of John and Acts you'll clearly see Gentiles are included in this new covenant without becoming part of Israel.

bugkiller

 

[Dale]

Exodus 31:16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.
Exodus 31:17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

No sign of the sabbath ending here, it will last forever.

Deuteronomy 12:32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.
Deuteronomy 13:1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,
Deuteronomy 13:2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;
Deuteronomy 13:3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the Lord your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
Deuteronomy 13:4 Ye shall walk after the Lord your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.
Deuteronomy 13:5 And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the Lord your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the Lord thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.

Travis: "No sign of the sabbath ending here, it will last forever."

No one said anything about the sabbath ending.
All four Gospels agree that the OT sabbath has been redefined.
The Christian sabbath is Sunday.
This doesn't mean that we try to follow all the OT laws or Pharisaic rules on the sabbath, but the Christian sabbath is Sunday.

 

[Travis93]

Travis: "No sign of the sabbath ending here, it will last forever."

No one said anything about the sabbath ending.
All four Gospels agree that the OT sabbath has been redefined.
The Christian sabbath is Sunday.
This doesn't mean that we try to follow all the OT laws or Pharisaic rules on the sabbath, but the Christian sabbath is Sunday.

The eternal sabbath is seventh day, not first. If Jesus actually changed it, the only logical choice is to reject him as a false prophet as shown in Deuteronomy 13:1-5.

 

[bugkiller]

The eternal sabbath is seventh day, not first. If Jesus actually changed it, the only logical choice is to reject him as a false prophet as shown in Deuteronomy 13:1-5.

The covenants is what is changed. The 7th day Sabbath isn't part of the NC. You may think so because it is mentioned.

bugkiller

 

[Dale]

From the Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine:

Question: Which is the Sabbath day?
Answer: Saturday is the Sabbath day.

Question: Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
Answer: We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.” -Rev. Peter Geiermann C.SS.R., The Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p. 50

http://www.sabbathtruth.com/sabbath-history/denominational-statements-on-the-sabbath/id/982/catholic
---

The Catholic Church had no authority to add to or subtract from God's law (Deuteronomy 4:2), so they had no authority to transfer the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday. In Genesis 2:3 God blessed the 7th day and made it holy, so we should treat as holy the things that God has made holy and not profane it. While people are certainly welcome to meet and worship on Sunday, that does not mean that they shouldn't also keep the Sabbath in obedience to God. God has a specific way that He wants to be worshipped, so the proper attitude should not be that we can have a holy convocation on whatever day way we want and God should be happy, but rather we should seek to worship God in the way that He wants to be worshipped. If the builders of the temple had decided that what God wanted was really just a temple, so they did have to follow all of God's instructions for how He wanted them to build it, then they would have been sinning.



God's laws are holy, righteous, and good (Romans 7:12) and we should delight in obeying them as Paul and David did (Romans 7:22, Psalms 1:1-2) rather than consider them something that we need to be set free from. It is our divine privilege to do by grace through faith what God has revealed to be holy, righteous, and good, which includes keeping His dietary laws. In 1 Peter 1:14-16, we are told to have a holy conduct, not because we are under the Old Covenant or because we should be like Jews, but rather we are to have a holy conduct because God is holy, so it is about identifying with God's holiness. Verse 16 references Leviticus where God was giving instructions for how to have a holy conduct, such as Leviticus 11:44-45, where God was giving His dietary laws. It should also be pretty straightforward that having a holy conduct involves keeping God's holy days. There's nothing wrong with traditions to celebrate other days, afterall Messiah celebrated Hanukkah (John 10:22-23), but these traditions should not keep us from obeying God's commands. Jesus criticized the Pharisees for setting aside God's commands to follow their own traditions (Mark 7:6-13).





The word used for "day of the week" is the Greek word "sabbaton". In its singular form, it means the 7th day Sabbath of God, but its plural form means the interval between two Sabbaths.

Soyeong, you quote from sabbathtruth.com, which is an SDA site, and not a good source of information on the Catholic Church.

When a Catholic priest says the church changed the day of worship, you have to remember that to them the Catholic Church started with Peter and the Apostles. If the Apostles changed the day of worship after talking with the resurrected Jesus, to them, that means that the church changed the day of worship. It doesn't necessarily mean that a Pope changed the day of worship hundreds of years later.

I believe that the Gospels themselves made Sunday the Christian day of worship. There is no need for anyone to make that decision later.

 

[Dale]

The eternal sabbath is seventh day, not first. If Jesus actually changed it, the only logical choice is to reject him as a false prophet as shown in Deuteronomy 13:1-5.

If you're going to argue with Jesus, I can't help you.
God bless.

 

[Travis93]

If you're going to argue with Jesus, I can't help you.
God bless.

Jesus never said to change the law, he said not to think he came to destroy the law (Matthew 5:17) and whoever follows it and teaches others to do so will great in the kindgom of heaven (Matthew 5:19). He said heaven and earth would pass before the law does (Luke 16:17). He says to listen to those who preach Moses (Matthew 23:2-3). And he says after his death to teach all people to do everything he said during his life (Matthew 28:20).

I'd say I'm in agreement with Jesus.

 

[Soyeong]

Soyeong, you quote from sabbathtruth.com, which is an SDA site, and not a good source of information on the Catholic Church.

The article that I linked consisted mostly of direct quotes, many from Catholic sources, so I don't see good reason not to consider it a good source of information. Even if the author had inserted more of their opinion in it, then by all means be aware of their bias, but just being SDA does not mean that it is automatically not a good source of information. Afterall, this is in regard to a discussion about the two views on the Sabbath.

When a Catholic priest says the church changed the day of worship, you have to remember that to them the Catholic Church started with Peter and the Apostles. If the Apostles changed the day of worship after talking with the resurrected Jesus, to them, that means that the church changed the day of worship. It doesn't necessarily mean that a Pope changed the day of worship hundreds of years later.

If Jesus himself had said that the Sabbath got moved to Saturday, then that would put him in violation of the law, which would mean that he was actually a sinner and a false prophet who would be disqualified from being the Messiah and that we should obey God instead of him. If Jesus could simply change which things are sins on whim, then being sinless would have had no significance, and God would not have needed to send him to die for our sins in the first place when He could have just lowered His holy, righteous, and good standard instead. But God has always been and will always be holy, righteous, and good, because He does not change, so the way to do what is holy, righteous, and good also does not change.

I believe that the Gospels themselves made Sunday the Christian day of worship. There is no need for anyone to make that decision later.

I'm guessing you're talking about Acts 20:7-8, but the problem is that for Jews days started at sundown, so the first of the week would start on Saturday evening. It was customary for Jews to have a Havdalah service at the closing of the Sabbath, so Paul spoke from evening until midnight, not from morning until midnight, and then left the next morning on Sunday to travel. However, even if you could show that they met once on Sunday morning, then that's still a far cry from establishing that as the start of a tradition and even a further cry from establishing that the tradition replaced the eternal commands of God.

 

[Dale]

The article that I linked consisted mostly of direct quotes, many from Catholic sources, so I don't see good reason not to consider it a good source of information. Even if the author had inserted more of their opinion in it, then by all means be aware of their bias, but just being SDA does not mean that it is automatically not a good source of information. Afterall, this is in regard to a discussion about the two views on the Sabbath.



If Jesus himself had said that the Sabbath got moved to Saturday, then that would put him in violation of the law, which would mean that he was actually a sinner and a false prophet who would be disqualified from being the Messiah and that we should obey God instead of him. If Jesus could simply change which things are sins on whim, then being sinless would have had no significance, and God would not have needed to send him to die for our sins in the first place when He could have just lowered His holy, righteous, and good standard instead. But God has always been and will always be holy, righteous, and good, because He does not change, so the way to do what is holy, righteous, and good also does not change.



I'm guessing you're talking about Acts 20:7-8, but the problem is that for Jews days started at sundown, so the first of the week would start on Saturday evening. It was customary for Jews to have a Havdalah service at the closing of the Sabbath, so Paul spoke from evening until midnight, not from morning until midnight, and then left the next morning on Sunday to travel. However, even if you could show that they met once on Sunday morning, then that's still a far cry from establishing that as the start of a tradition and even a further cry from establishing that the tradition replaced the eternal commands of God.

The SDA's understand nothing of Catholic doctrine. Don't go to them to find out what the RCC teaches.

No, I'm not talking about a passage in Acts. Apparently you didn't bother to read Post #1 or Post #2.
Instead you just started reciting the usual SDA line with no idea what I'm talking about.

 

[Soyeong]

The SDA's understand nothing of Catholic doctrine. Don't go to them to find out what the RCC teaches.

No, I'm not talking about a passage in Acts. Apparently you didn't bother to read Post #1 or Post #2.
Instead you just started reciting the usual SDA line with no idea what I'm talking about.

Again, the article consists mostly of quotes strung together from Catholic sources, which speak for themselves rather than the author. You do not need to be an expert of Catholic doctrine or even know anything about it in order to make a valid quote from Catholic sources to show what they have said about it. And again, just because someone is SDA does not mean that they understand nothing of Catholic doctrine. I've read post #1 and #2, but as I stated, the plural of the word refers to the first interval between two Sabbaths, not to calling Sunday the Sabbath. I talked about Acts 20:7-8 because I didn't know what else you were talking about and because it is very common for people who say that the Gospels make the case for Sunday to use that passage.