The Fossil Record Proves Speciation, Not Evolution of Lifeforms Observed

[DogmaHunter]

I am under the impression that Bible Christians think only creatures with noses are really alive. Genesis 7:15

He probably needs to deny that plants "live", because as the tale goes that he believes dogmatically, there supposedly was no death "before the fall".

They claim that all animals were vegetarians and stuff. So everybody ate plants. But if plants are alive, then they die when eaten. And that would contradict the whole "no death before the fall" thingy.

So, since questioning the beliefs is not an option, the only other way out of the hole is by saying that plants aren't alive.

 

[Jimmy D]

Ow my!

How does one even respond to that?

Given his/her lengthy tirades on rocks being alive because they "metabolize" I think we can safely say that he's just trolling at this point.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Absolutely not.

How can you say you're a teacher when you feel the need to dispute this simple biological fact?

 

[juvenissun]

They do, with respect to the definition of life. But why do you think they are not alive? What about the other Kingdoms?

This is another topic. In this thread, we talk about animals.

 

[juvenissun]

They should revoke your teaching license for saying stuff like this.

They can not. I do not teach biology.

 

[juvenissun]

How can you say you're a teacher when you feel the need to dispute this simple biological fact?

I don't feel the need.

 

[juvenissun]

#174

I said, we do not talk about plants here.

And, this is another good reason for me to suggest that plants are not lives. Animals do not do what they do in biology.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I don't feel the need.

But you obviously did. You did it when you said that plants aren't living things. Even though, biologically speaking, they are.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

I said, we do not talk about plants here.

You hadn't shifted those goalposts when I made the original response - but again, it's trivially easy to check these things. This should get you started with hybrid animal species:
Hybrid Speciation - Animals.
Hybrid Speciation
Hybrid Speciation

.. this is another good reason for me to suggest that plants are not lives. Animals do not do what they do in biology.

There's a difference between the meanings of 'life' as 'the condition that distinguishes animals and plants from inorganic matter', and 'life' as 'the existence of an individual human being or animal'.

Using different meanings of a word to draw a false conclusion is the fallacy of equivocation.

But if you really do think that growing plants are not alive, I'd be interested (but not very) to know what makes you think so, and what definition of life you're using.

 

[Larniavc]

Plant is not a life form.

This is probably the dumbest thing I seen you post.

To be sure, I’m NOT calling tm you dumb.

But the IDEA you have that plants are not life forms is as dumb as the dumbest dumb ideas a dumb person (not you, mind) has ever had.

Truly dumb and I’m so glad that this will be here for all to see for ever and ever.

If I had a sig, this would be it (or the one where you said rocks are alive).

Priceless.

 

[DogmaHunter]

If I had a sig, this would be it (or the one where you said rocks are alive).

Excellent idea!

 

[DogmaHunter]

This is probably the dumbest thing I seen you post.

To be sure, I’m NOT calling tm you dumb.

But the IDEA you have that plants are not life forms is as dumb as the dumbest dumb ideas a dumb person (not you, mind) has ever had.

Truly dumb and I’m so glad that this will be here for all to see for ever and ever.

If I had a sig, this would be it (or the one where you said rocks are alive).

Priceless.

I went the extra mile and looked up the infamous post where he said that rocks are alive and added it to my sig as well

 

[Speedwell]

This is another topic. In this thread, we talk about animals.

No. There is nothing in the OP which restricts the topic of this thread to animal life.

 

[DogmaHunter]

No. There is nothing in the OP which restricts the topic of this thread to animal life.

In his defense... it's probably just an attempt to quickly move beyond the whopper of his false statement concerning plants not being alive... Because he knows how ridiculous a statement that is.

He has a habbit of digging holes that he can't get out of... and when cornered like in this case, he quickly shifts gears one way or the other.

 

[juvenissun]

You hadn't shifted those goalposts when I made the original response - but again, it's trivially easy to check these things. This should get you started with hybrid animal species:
Hybrid Speciation - Animals.
Hybrid Speciation
Hybrid Speciation

I don't have time to read these articles. Either you teach me, or my question remains.

Which hybrid animal became a new species and thrived for centuries?

 

[juvenissun]

But if you really do think that growing plants are not alive, I'd be interested (but not very) to know what makes you think so, and what definition of life you're using.

This is another issue, and it has been debated. We can talk about it, but I do not intend to do it in this thread.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I don't have time to read these articles. Either you teach me, or my question remains.

Which hybrid animal became a new species and thrived for centuries?

Student shows a serious unwillingness to learn. Grade awarded: F.

 

[PsychoSarah]

I don't have time to read these articles. Either you teach me, or my question remains.

Which hybrid animal became a new species and thrived for centuries?

Aspidoscelis uniparens, common name being the desert grassland whiptail lizard. I don't know enough about their evolutionary history to know how long they have thrived, but they are an all female species that resulted from hybridization between species with two genders. This hybridization not only resulted in them being unable to breed with either parent species, but it changed their reproduction method as well.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Plant is not a life form.

Lol

Living organisms maintain homeostasis, are composed of cells, undergo metabolism, can grow, adapt to their environment, respond to stimuli, and reproduce. Plants do all of these things, and are thus alive.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

I don't have time to read these articles. Either you teach me, or my question remains.

Lol! Right... you have enough time to post a gamut of incorrect posts, but not enough time to check for yourself whether they're right (they're not).

Which hybrid animal became a new species and thrived for centuries?

Here you go - a marine mammal that was first identified 172 years ago - so has thrived for at least that time, and probably hundreds of years longer (unless it's discovery was a remarkable coincidence), is an Atlantic dolphin, the Clymene dolphin (Stenella clymene). It has been shown to be genetically a hybrid of the spinner dolphin and the striped dolphin.

The more we look, the more we find. There are examples of hybrid species in insects, crustaceans, molluscs, fish, amphibians, reptiles and mammals.