The Fossil Record Proves Speciation, Not Evolution of Lifeforms Observed

[juvenissun]

Aspidoscelis uniparens, common name being the desert grassland whiptail lizard. I don't know enough about their evolutionary history to know how long they have thrived, but they are an all female species that resulted from hybridization between species with two genders. This hybridization not only resulted in them being unable to breed with either parent species, but it changed their reproduction method as well.

Thanks. Did human make the hybridization? When was it made? How do we know if they would still exist thousands of years later?

BTW, I just read that the last white rhino is dying.

 

[juvenissun]

Lol

Living organisms maintain homeostasis, are composed of cells, undergo metabolism, can grow, adapt to their environment, respond to stimuli, and reproduce. Plants do all of these things, and are thus alive.

NOT good criteria. As I said, by those conditions, a rock is alive.

 

[juvenissun]

Here you go - a marine mammal that was first identified 172 years ago - so has thrived for at least that time, and probably hundreds of years longer (unless it's discovery was a remarkable coincidence), is an Atlantic dolphin, the Clymene dolphin (Stenella clymene). It has been shown to be genetically a hybrid of the spinner dolphin and the striped dolphin.

This dolphin is "discovered", but is not artificially created. Right?
If so, its "hybridization" would only be an interpretation. It should not be used to illustrate the lab result of hybridization.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

NOT good criteria. As I said, by those conditions, a rock is alive.

A rock does none of those things, and a rock is not alive by sense of the word.
Seriously, you are just a stunningly bad teacher.

 

[PsychoSarah]

NOT good criteria. As I said, by those conditions, a rock is alive.

-_- rocks aren't made of cells, so no.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Thanks. Did human make the hybridization?

No, humans did not make this hybrid. We only realized something was off when people noticed that all collected specimens were female.

When was it made?

I've already expressed that I have no idea when that hybridization event took place. Heck, it could have been multiple ones for all I know. There are multiple lizard species that are all female that arose this way, so I would not be surprised if at least one of them had existed for thousands of years.

How do we know if they would still exist thousands of years later?

-_- we don't know that for sure about anything, dude. Species can persist for millions of years and then all suddenly die off within just a few years as a result of environmental changes. We do know, however, that they aren't going to widespread become infertile, if that's what you are curious about. Even if we had discovered them right after they started existing, too many generations have passed with viability maintained for them to be hindered by that. They are also fairly adaptable, so they probably won't be going extinct any time soon.

BTW, I just read that the last white rhino is dying.

-_- it's certainly not due to the inability for white rhinos to reproduce. Overhunting, dude. Northern white rhino, a specific subspecies, is most likely going to go extinct. 3 individuals left, 1 male and 2 females, and the male is dying. Artificial insemination could be tried, but I doubt conservation attempts at this point will be able to save them long term.

The southern subspecies isn't in near as dire a situation.

 

[juvenissun]

-_- rocks aren't made of cells, so no.

Rock has rock cells.

 

[juvenissun]

-_- we don't know that for sure about anything, dude.

Fine, then DON'T be sure, at all, that human evolved from ape.
And in this thread, DO NOT be sure that evolution makes speciation.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Rock has rock cells.

.... really? You say you teach geology, so you should know that rocks have MINERALS NOT CELLS!

 

[juvenissun]

.... really? You say you teach geology, so you should know that rocks have MINERALS NOT CELLS!

Minerals are the cells of rock.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Minerals are the cells of rock.

Allegorically, yes. Technically and scientifically, no.

 

[juvenissun]

Allegorically, yes. Technically and scientifically, no.

Just the opposite.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Just the opposite.

Nope. You're just wrong. Minerals are not cells. They have nothing in common with cells.
I am seriously now thinking that everything you said about being a teacher is a lie.

 

[Brightmoon]

Unbelievable! How could an adult be so .... nevermind. I’m calling a Poe.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Rock has rock cells.

they don't.

cell definition: the smallest structural and functional unit of an organism, typically microscopic and consisting of cytoplasm and a nucleus enclosed in a membrane.

Rocks contain no cells that fit this description. They don't have phospholipid membranes. They don't have genetic material. Rocks do not have cells.

 

[Heissonear]

CF posters in unbelief trying to corner those who understand Intelligent Deisgn.

As per OP topic, there are thousands of feet of staratigraphic rock record. Contained therein are zero transitions of one complex creature into higher lifeform in fossils morphology.

I did say zero. The fossil recored shows the grandeur of Kinds and variations thereof.

There is no proof in the fossil record the Almighty used Evolution. Not one example. What He has left to observe is Kinds. Billions of them.

Yea, stern on Evolution. I was once the same. But one must walk by faith to be an Evolutionist. The fossil record is a stretch in saying Evolution happened. You stand by faith to state such, with evidence to observe that only Kinds are represented in billions of fossils. ID happened. Not Evolution.

 

[juvenissun]

they don't.

cell definition: the smallest structural and functional unit of an organism, typically microscopic and consisting of cytoplasm and a nucleus enclosed in a membrane.

Rocks contain no cells that fit this description. They don't have phospholipid membranes. They don't have genetic material. Rocks do not have cells.

Rock cell definition: the smallest structural and functional unit of a rock, typically microscopic and has special chemical composition and internal structure.

 

[klutedavid]

One worldwide evidence in the sedimentary rock record is how fossil lifeforms show mature Speciation, and zero fossils that disproves Speciation.

In the fossil record, out of billions of fossils unearthed, is zero transitional fossils. Zero fossils that by morphological change prove evolution - evidence of one lifeform changing into another higher lifeform.

There is zero fossils that show life morphologically changed on Earth in sedimentary environments which show the Grand Picture of evolution of life from simple to complex.

All a paleontologist has is the observable evidence in the sedimentary rock layers srarted as the most simplest life and through time fossils that become more and more biologically complex over time and depositional history.

In Creating the Earth, God could have used geologic time to first Create simple life to exist and as geologic time progressed at select times Create more complex Species of life. And incresed the the complexity of each Species over geologic time, displaying an Earth with a fossil record we observe today - zero transitional fossils.

By scientific evidence the fossil record proves Speciations over time.

Get use to it, and start the change that Speciations was produced over time.

In another view, when Earth was Created it showed a natural history of Speciation of life over time, as He would have done if He chose geologic time and natural processes to develop the Mature Earth we now see. A Creation with an Apparent-Mature Age.

Speciation in Reverse

Darwin's finches have become a textbook example in evolutionary biology, speciating as they adapted to different environments in their spread through the Galapagos islands. In the past two decades, the opposite has been happening on Floreana island in the south of the archipelago, according to a paper published in the journal American Naturalist. The opposite of speciation, however, isn't necessarily extinction — at least, not in the familiar sense of a species dying out. Another way for speciation to roll backwards is through hybridization, a process that raises many more (and more interesting) questions than 'straightforward' extinction. (nature.com)

 

[VirOptimus]

Fine, then DON'T be sure, at all, that human evolved from ape.
And in this thread, DO NOT be sure that evolution makes speciation.

Humans are apes.

Really really wishing something doesnt make it true.

 

[klutedavid]

Humans are apes.

Really really wishing something doesnt make it true.

I disagree.