The Flood

[Nihilist Virus]

The bible says ....11 Now the earth was corrupt in God’s sight and was full of violence. 12 God saw how corrupt the earth had become, for all the people on earth had corrupted their ways. 13 So God said to Noah, “I am going to put an end to all people, for the earth is filled with violence because of them. I am surely going to destroy both them and the earth.

God said enough is enough. It's probably good the "innocent" infants died...this way they couldn't grow up an face a deeper level of Gods wrath.

Thanks. I infer that of 1i through 1vi you do not choose 1iv. Which, then, suits your? Am I missing a possibility, or do you prefer rewording?

I'm interested in what Christians have to say about it, if they approved of such acts,....apparently you do, and that kinda mindset is terrifying to say the least. No different from a modern day jihadi

I want to preface this by saying that I like the cut of your jib and I agree with you most of the time.

However, the gulf between Christianity and Islam could not be more vast. In the case of mass murder, Christians - or modern ones at least - leave the mass murder to God. Muslims don't.

I find Christianity to be wrong and illogical, but that is a far cry from the insanity that defines Islam.

 

[JD16]

I want to preface this by saying that I like the cut of your jib and I agree with you most of the time.

However, the gulf between Christianity and Islam could not be more vast. In the case of mass murder, Christians - or modern ones at least - leave the mass murder to God. Muslims don't.

I find Christianity to be wrong and illogical, but that is a far cry from the insanity that defines Islam.

I agree, the difference is thought vs actions. What I was referring to was the mindset between them, I'm right, you're wrong, accusing each other of being infidels, unworthy of living in God's eyes. But yes, I would give radical Islam the edge in the insanity department.

 

[david.d]

'Ello, I'm just curious about what Christians tend to think about the Flood. Just say what you believe - there's no wrong answer.

(1a) The Flood was global and occurred as depicted.

(1b) The Flood was global but God also intervened in unmentioned ways (e.g. helping freshwater fish to survive).

(1c) The Flood was local.

(1d) I don't know whether the Flood was global or local but it was one of these.

(1e) I don't know and no one can know whether the Flood was global or local but it was one of these.

(2a) The Flood story is a retelling of a previous flood story and it did not involve Noah.

(2b) The Flood story is a metaphor.

(3a) I don't know how to evaluate the Flood story.

(3b) I don't know how to evaluate the Flood story and no one else does either.


If you picked from the (1) choices, please pick from one of these in your reply:

(1i) God allowed all life to suffer in the course of dying.

(1ii) God allowed only the wicked to suffer; animals and babies died painlessly.

(1iii) I don't care whether innocent beings suffered.

(1iv) No innocent beings suffered because there were no innocent beings.

(1v) I don't know how the suffering was distributed but I hope for case (1i).

(1vi) I don't know how the suffering was distributed but I hope for case (1ii).


If you picked from one of the (2) choices then please explain what you think the story means or why it was included.


If I neglected to mention a possibility, please share that possibility - even if it's not your belief.


Thanks!

I would have to say 1a.1i.aa. It was global and everything that couldn't live in the water or wasn't on the ark died.

 

[SnowyMacie]

None of the Above, but the closest combination in your answers I can think of are 1c, 2a, and 2b. Flood myths were common in the Ancient Near East due to the nature of the Tigris, Euphrates, and other rivers and the story of Noah is the Hebrew's own myth regarding on this subject. However, I have also heard it said that the story could be a retelling of the flooding of the Black Sea following the end of the the last ice age, but I don't know. Regardless, the story is an allegory about the interaction of God's wrath, judgment, and salvation for mankind.

 

[dcalling]

I'm interested in what Christians have to say about it, if they approved of such acts,....apparently you do, and that kinda mindset is terrifying to say the least. No different from a modern day jihadi

There is a difference. Christians trust in God, and we have to obey the word of God, which is to love your neighbor and also love your enemies, no revenge. So if a Christian truely believe in the word of God, he/she won't kill (unless in self defense).

However when God does it, that is a totally different matter. Earth quakes come and people (good and bad) die, but God has his reasons, because he said the ones believe in him will never perish.

 

[thesunisout]

'Ello, I'm just curious about what Christians tend to think about the Flood. Just say what you believe - there's no wrong answer.

(1a) The Flood was global and occurred as depicted.

(1b) The Flood was global but God also intervened in unmentioned ways (e.g. helping freshwater fish to survive).

(1c) The Flood was local.

(1d) I don't know whether the Flood was global or local but it was one of these.

(1e) I don't know and no one can know whether the Flood was global or local but it was one of these.

(2a) The Flood story is a retelling of a previous flood story and it did not involve Noah.

(2b) The Flood story is a metaphor.

(3a) I don't know how to evaluate the Flood story.

(3b) I don't know how to evaluate the Flood story and no one else does either.


If you picked from the (1) choices, please pick from one of these in your reply:

(1i) God allowed all life to suffer in the course of dying.

(1ii) God allowed only the wicked to suffer; animals and babies died painlessly.

(1iii) I don't care whether innocent beings suffered.

(1iv) No innocent beings suffered because there were no innocent beings.

(1v) I don't know how the suffering was distributed but I hope for case (1i).

(1vi) I don't know how the suffering was distributed but I hope for case (1ii).


If you picked from one of the (2) choices then please explain what you think the story means or why it was included.


If I neglected to mention a possibility, please share that possibility - even if it's not your belief.


Thanks!

I think some of the brothers here have brought up a good point. For what purpose are you compiling this information? You obviously know what Christians believe about the flood.

 

[Nihilist Virus]

I think some of the brothers here have brought up a good point. For what purpose are you compiling this information? You obviously know what Christians believe about the flood.

I used to think that all Christians believed in the rapture, but that's not the case. There are even some Christians who don't think that the purpose of Christ's death was to bear our sins. So no, it's not at all obvious to me what you people believe.

 

[thesunisout]

I used to think that all Christians believed in the rapture, but that's not the case. There are even some Christians who don't think that the purpose of Christ's death was to bear our sins. So no, it's not at all obvious to me what you people believe.

Well, I think what you're doing is a bit like trying to figure out how to play monopoly by asking 100 people how they play it. As you probably know, you will most likely get 100 different answers about what the rules are. You would probably be pretty confused about how to play monopoly after that.

It is clear though that there is a certain way to play monopoly, and you find that out by reading the rules. By reading the rules you will be able to see who is playing it the correct way and who isn't. Well, that is exactly the way you find out what Christianity is all about; by reading the bible. We are all instructed as Christians not to take even the best teachers at face value; we are to study the scripture to see if these things are so:

Acts 17:11

Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true

It is remarked that these Jews had a more noble character because they checked the scriptures to make sure that Paul, who is arguably one of the greatest teachers of Jesus Christ the world has ever known, was getting it right.

That is what you need to do. You need to read the bible and establish for yourself what you believe Jesus Christ taught us about how we should live. I would begin with the gospel of John, praying every day for Jesus Christ to reveal the truth to you. If you do that you will have a much clearer perspective on what Christianity is all about, and who is playing by the rules and who isn't.

 

[ChristianFromKazakhstan]

'Ello, I'm just curious about what Christians tend to think about the Flood. Just say what you believe - there's no wrong answer.

(1a) The Flood was global and occurred as depicted.

(1b) The Flood was global but God also intervened in unmentioned ways (e.g. helping freshwater fish to survive).

(1c) The Flood was local.

(1d) I don't know whether the Flood was global or local but it was one of these.

(1e) I don't know and no one can know whether the Flood was global or local but it was one of these.

(2a) The Flood story is a retelling of a previous flood story and it did not involve Noah.

(2b) The Flood story is a metaphor.

(3a) I don't know how to evaluate the Flood story.

(3b) I don't know how to evaluate the Flood story and no one else does either.


If you picked from the (1) choices, please pick from one of these in your reply:

(1i) God allowed all life to suffer in the course of dying.

(1ii) God allowed only the wicked to suffer; animals and babies died painlessly.

(1iii) I don't care whether innocent beings suffered.

(1iv) No innocent beings suffered because there were no innocent beings.

(1v) I don't know how the suffering was distributed but I hope for case (1i).

(1vi) I don't know how the suffering was distributed but I hope for case (1ii).


If you picked from one of the (2) choices then please explain what you think the story means or why it was included.


If I neglected to mention a possibility, please share that possibility - even if it's not your belief.


Thanks!

There were multiple floods in history, but never a global flood. Sometimes local, sometimes on several continents at the same time in costal regions (tsunami due to earthquake or a large meteor falling into ocean).

 

[Vicomte13]

'Ello, I'm just curious about what Christians tend to think about the Flood. Just say what you believe - there's no wrong answer.

(1a) The Flood was global and occurred as depicted.

(1b) The Flood was global but God also intervened in unmentioned ways (e.g. helping freshwater fish to survive).

(1c) The Flood was local.

(1d) I don't know whether the Flood was global or local but it was one of these.

(1e) I don't know and no one can know whether the Flood was global or local but it was one of these.

(2a) The Flood story is a retelling of a previous flood story and it did not involve Noah.

(2b) The Flood story is a metaphor.

(3a) I don't know how to evaluate the Flood story.

(3b) I don't know how to evaluate the Flood story and no one else does either.


If you picked from the (1) choices, please pick from one of these in your reply:

(1i) God allowed all life to suffer in the course of dying.

(1ii) God allowed only the wicked to suffer; animals and babies died painlessly.

(1iii) I don't care whether innocent beings suffered.

(1iv) No innocent beings suffered because there were no innocent beings.

(1v) I don't know how the suffering was distributed but I hope for case (1i).

(1vi) I don't know how the suffering was distributed but I hope for case (1ii).


If you picked from one of the (2) choices then please explain what you think the story means or why it was included.


If I neglected to mention a possibility, please share that possibility - even if it's not your belief.


Thanks!

Sub-answer 1i - drowning is not fun. Everything suffered as it drowned, of course, just as today.

 

[Vicomte13]

Is there any way to look like a good guy when you're responsible for a world wide genocide, including innocent children and animals?

It's genocide if a man does it. God kills everybody and everything, in every age. A global flood only differs from right now in the timing of the deaths - all at once, versus one by one. Dying in the Flood is not different from drowning in the pool or dying from a heart attack. Dead is dead, and God is ultimately in charge of all of it.

 

[JD16]

It's genocide if a man does it. God kills everybody and everything, in every age. A global flood only differs from right now in the timing of the deaths - all at once, versus one by one. Dying in the Flood is not different from drowning in the pool or dying from a heart attack. Dead is dead, and God is ultimately in charge of all of it.

So its might make right? when man does it its despicable, but if God does it, its all fine and dandy yea? Ok then....

 

[DingDing]

'Ello, I'm just curious about what Christians tend to think about the Flood. Just say what you believe - there's no wrong answer.

(1a) The Flood was global and occurred as depicted.
...

If I neglected to mention a possibility, please share that possibility - even if it's not your belief.
Thanks!

I will vote for 1a, but I do have to take some exception with the statement I underlined above. If only one answer can be correct, then every other answer is wrong. So every answer, except at most one, is wrong. Just wanted to point that out.

 

[Nihilist Virus]

Well, I think what you're doing is a bit like trying to figure out how to play monopoly by asking 100 people how they play it. As you probably know, you will most likely get 100 different answers about what the rules are. You would probably be pretty confused about how to play monopoly after that.

It is clear though that there is a certain way to play monopoly, and you find that out by reading the rules. By reading the rules you will be able to see who is playing it the correct way and who isn't. Well, that is exactly the way you find out what Christianity is all about; by reading the bible. We are all instructed as Christians not to take even the best teachers at face value; we are to study the scripture to see if these things are so:

Acts 17:11

Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true

It is remarked that these Jews had a more noble character because they checked the scriptures to make sure that Paul, who is arguably one of the greatest teachers of Jesus Christ the world has ever known, was getting it right.

That is what you need to do. You need to read the bible and establish for yourself what you believe Jesus Christ taught us about how we should live. I would begin with the gospel of John, praying every day for Jesus Christ to reveal the truth to you. If you do that you will have a much clearer perspective on what Christianity is all about, and who is playing by the rules and who isn't.

Ok... sure, you advocate a plain reading. But when Jesus tells several different people on several different occasions to sell all they have and give to the poor, suddenly exegesis is a complicated, delicate art.

 

[Nihilist Virus]

I will vote for 1a, but I do have to take some exception with the statement I underlined above. If only one answer can be correct, then every other answer is wrong. So every answer, except at most one, is wrong. Just wanted to point that out.

I'm asking what you think, so as long as you aren't lying it's impossible for you to be wrong.

 

[ken777]

Christians who believe in God who created all things find it easy to accept God who is "the Judge of all the earth". The first requires the second. It is not only God's right to impose judgment, it is His responsibility.

When people turn away from God to the extent that they no longer believe they are doing wrong - as it appears to be today - God will destroy them. Matthew 24:39 Luke 17:29-30

 

[joshua 1 9]

'Ello, I'm just curious about what Christians tend to think about the Flood. Just say what you believe - there's no wrong answer.

(1a) The Flood was global and occurred as depicted.

(1b) The Flood was global but God also intervened in unmentioned ways (e.g. helping freshwater fish to survive).

(1c) The Flood was local.

(1d) I don't know whether the Flood was global or local but it was one of these.

(1e) I don't know and no one can know whether the Flood was global or local but it was one of these.

(2a) The Flood story is a retelling of a previous flood story and it did not involve Noah.

(2b) The Flood story is a metaphor.

(3a) I don't know how to evaluate the Flood story.

(3b) I don't know how to evaluate the Flood story and no one else does either.


If you picked from the (1) choices, please pick from one of these in your reply:

(1i) God allowed all life to suffer in the course of dying.

(1ii) God allowed only the wicked to suffer; animals and babies died painlessly.

(1iii) I don't care whether innocent beings suffered.

(1iv) No innocent beings suffered because there were no innocent beings.

(1v) I don't know how the suffering was distributed but I hope for case (1i).

(1vi) I don't know how the suffering was distributed but I hope for case (1ii).


If you picked from one of the (2) choices then please explain what you think the story means or why it was included.


If I neglected to mention a possibility, please share that possibility - even if it's not your belief.


Thanks!

Adam and Eve and Noah were all real historical people with real DNA and they are a part of the family tree of the Human Race today. Adam and Eve lived in a Real Garden in Eden around 6,000 years ago. Right now the evidence points to Eden being under the Persian Gulf north of the straits of hormuz. This is what satellite photos from sources like Google Earth indicates. Before Adam and Eve there was death but not death as a result of sin or transgression.

I personally believe we are all born in innocence and purity. Sin involves choice. If children suffer it is because of the sin of their parents. Yet God is able to cause all things to work out for the best and everything can be used for our benefit. We become fully accountable at puberty when we are able to reproduce.

Of course the story is a metaphor as there have been 6 extinctions in the history of the Earth. The current age or era that we live in began around 12,900 years ago. Each day is 1,000 years. I use the nano diamond comet for a marker as well as the apophis comet. NOTE: I do not claim these comets caused anything. I only use them as markers so we know where we are at on the calendar.

"Nanodiamond" Find Supports Comet Extinction Theory

NASA Rules Out Earth Impact in 2036 for Asteroid Apophis

 

[section9+1]

1a and 1i. Life equals suffering. It's everywhere. God did it.

 

[DingDing]

I'm asking what you think, so as long as you aren't lying it's impossible for you to be wrong.

I know that you are just asking for opinions, but there can be only one absolute truth about the flood.

 

[Brian Mcnamee]

'Ello, I'm just curious about what Christians tend to think about the Flood. Just say what you believe - there's no wrong answer.

(1a) The Flood was global and occurred as depicted.

(1b) The Flood was global but God also intervened in unmentioned ways (e.g. helping freshwater fish to survive).

(1c) The Flood was local.

(1d) I don't know whether the Flood was global or local but it was one of these.

(1e) I don't know and no one can know whether the Flood was global or local but it was one of these.

(2a) The Flood story is a retelling of a previous flood story and it did not involve Noah.

(2b) The Flood story is a metaphor.

(3a) I don't know how to evaluate the Flood story.

(3b) I don't know how to evaluate the Flood story and no one else does either.


If you picked from the (1) choices, please pick from one of these in your reply:

(1i) God allowed all life to suffer in the course of dying.

(1ii) God allowed only the wicked to suffer; animals and babies died painlessly.

(1iii) I don't care whether innocent beings suffered.

(1iv) No innocent beings suffered because there were no innocent beings.

(1v) I don't know how the suffering was distributed but I hope for case (1i).

(1vi) I don't know how the suffering was distributed but I hope for case (1ii).


If you picked from one of the (2) choices then please explain what you think the story means or why it was included.


If I neglected to mention a possibility, please share that possibility - even if it's not your belief.


Thanks!

Hi the Bible claims to be inspired without error and many of these passages are turned from being presented as history to being presented as a metaphor. This particular account of a global flood is presented throughout the Bible as a historical global event. If the oceans rose over the top of the mountains there is no way it could be taken as a local event as the sea levels would rise equally on both coast of the same oceans. Peter and Jude give insight into what was going on back in the day.

2 Pet For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; 5 and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly; 6 and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes, condemned them to destruction, making them an example to those who afterward would live ungodly; 7 and delivered righteous Lot, who was oppressed by the filthy conduct of the wicked 8 (for that righteous man, dwelling among them, tormented his righteous soul from day to day by seeing and hearing their lawless deeds)— 9 then the Lord knows how to deliver the godly out of temptations and to reserve the unjust under punishment for the day of judgment,
Note; Peter is speaking historically and brings up fallen angels and the flood. These ideas are related. As Satan certainly is fallen but is yet to be bound. So what angels are bound and is it related to the flood? Jude says this, And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; Now we have another passage that we will put over the top that is from Genesis that ties the purpose of the flood and the destiny of these angels together.
Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, 2 that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.
3 And the LORD said, “My Spirit shall not strive[fn] with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.” 4 There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.
Note we see the sons of God used as a term here and they somehow introduced giants into the world both before and after the flood so understanding who the sons of God are is key to understanding the flood and the other passages I have quoted about . In Job we are introduced to this term and Job is thought by many to be the oldest book in the Bible.
6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan[fn] also came among them. 7 And the LORD said to Satan, “From where do you come?”
So Satan answered the LORD and said, “From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking back and forth on it.”
8 Then the LORD said to Satan, “Have you considered My servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, one who fears God and shuns evil?”
Here is Job Satan is named among the sons of God. Satan is the chief adversary and is still free. But Jude speaks of those angels who did not keep their 1st estate are bound until the great day. The sons of God taking women as wives produced a race of Nephalim. Man is created in Gods image and these beings would have demonic seed not the seed of man. Nimrod and the tower of Babel is another incident that is the seat of all the mystery pagan religions. This rebellion against God is the same thing of unifying the planet set for the end times. The corruption of the race of mankind left few who's genetic material was not effected and also corrupted the peoples with practices that were wholly immoral. The flood was known to God before the creation of man and the universe and it shows the righteous judgement of God and the grace of God at the same time.
If my narrative is true there should be plenty of evidence for a global flood and there is. Look up a guy named Ian Juby and type in flood of Noah and or a guy named LA Marzulli and type in Nephalim and you will see well documented evidence and a major coverup by government officials who have taken the hard evidence that is well documented. Also look up pre flood megalithic architecture. You can see the ruins built by these guys all over the world. Anyways Satan still roams the angles who had relations with man who left their 1st estate are bound until the great day. The book of Enoch goes into great detail and even names the head angels who fell and records the technology they gave to man forbidden knowledge. These days are interesting as God promises to judge the world again and relates it to being just as the days of Noah.