The First Resurrection

[Hismessenger]

You keep talking about the second death but that's not the issue. The issue is that all must stand before the judgment seat because God has said so. Some to reward and others to damnation. This all occurs after the second resurrection of the dead for the corruptible must put on in corruption and this is only accomplished by the death of the flesh both in the natural and in the spirit.

Rom 14:10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

Rom 14:11 For it is written, [As] I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

Rom 14:12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

There are other scripture which back this up so I would advise you to look them up before you respond so flippantly.

Job 14:12 So man lies down and does not rise. Till the heavens [are] no more, They will not awake Nor be roused from their sleep.

So that you know, all are asleep except those who are resurrected until the end of time. There has to be a second resurrection because of the word. Not what we think it should be.

hismessenger

 

[Heavens]

The 'remaining' saints receive their body when they see Jesus as He is.
Your eye twinkles in less than a second.

If you have died with Christ and born again by the Spirit in Resurrection you have been judged ALIVE NEVER TO DIE.
Raised up on thrones. Given judgment.
The second death has no power over you.

Rev.20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them

This does not shoot down any second death of the wicked dead who are DEAD.

Beautiful post

It's SOOOO nice to know that as we've been raised up in Christ from the waters of baptism (the first resurrection) that the "second death has no power over us"!

Praise you Jesus!

 

[Heavens]

You keep talking about the second death but that's not the issue. The issue is that all must stand before the judgment seat because God has said so. Some to reward and others to damnation. This all occurs after the second resurrection of the dead for the corruptible must put on in corruption and this is only accomplished by the death of the flesh both in the natural and in the spirit.

There are other scripture which back this up so I would advise you to look them up before you respond so flippantly.

So that you know, all are asleep except those who are resurrected until the end of time. There has to be a second resurrection because of the word. Not what we think it should be.

hismessenger

This poster is in total error in every thing he says here, as his premise is based upon his personal idea of a "second resurrection" of which there is no such thing. That is why the Holy Scriptures never says such a thing as "second resurrection".

One should not accuse others of being "flippant" when one preaches their own personal non-scriptural doctrine.

Be careful. Here is what Paul says about certain folk who let their imaginations run away with them;

(1Co 15:35) But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
(1Co 15:36) Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:

If we've died in Christ, we've been "quickened" in His resurrection.

(Eph 2:1) And you he has quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

(Eph 2:5) Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved

(Col 2:13) And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

If a man is not now "quickened" in Christ, we can only hope and pray he repents and dies in Christ and is raised up out of the waters of baptism "quickened", as are the rest of us Christians.

 

[Hismessenger]

Jhn 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

Jhn 5:26
For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;

Jhn 5:27
And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.

Jhn 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

Jhn 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

This is Jesus speaking to his disciples .So now tell me when and where does this resurrection take place. Especially in light of Job 14:12

hismessenger

 

[Heavens]

Jhn 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

Jhn 5:26
For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;

Jhn 5:27
And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.

Jhn 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

Jhn 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

This is Jesus speaking to his disciples .So now tell me when and where does this resurrection take place. Especially in light of Job 14:12

hismessenger

As has been shown numerous times now, it is as the first verse above;

Jhn 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.



The "dead" are these people;

(Mat 8:22) But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.

Here's one who "came back from the dead";

(Luk 15:24)For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.

(NOW alive because He chose to turn back to the Father from his sin/death life style)

(Rom 6:11) Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

We who were dead in our sins, we who died in Christ, are now made alive!

(Rom 6:13) Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.


This is the Gospel.


If we aren't NOW resurrected in Christ, then we certainly have nothing more under the sun in the "future", let alone "resurrection".


This is how it happens;


(Gal 3:27) For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

(Rom 6:6) Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
(Rom 6:7) For he that is dead is freed from sin.


I am free from sin!


Praise Jesus

 

[Mikecpking]

As has been shown numerous times now, it is as the first verse above;

Jhn 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.



The "dead" are these people;

(Mat 8:22) But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.

Here's one who "came back from the dead";

(Luk 15:24)For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.

(NOW alive because He chose to turn back to the Father from his sin/death life style)

(Rom 6:11) Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

We who were dead in our sins, we who died in Christ, are now made alive!

(Rom 6:13) Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.


This is the Gospel.


If we aren't NOW resurrected in Christ, then we certainly have nothing more under the sun in the "future", let alone "resurrection".


This is how it happens;


(Gal 3:27) For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

(Rom 6:6) Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
(Rom 6:7) For he that is dead is freed from sin.


I am free from sin!


Praise Jesus

I think you are confusing the resurrection on the last day with being born again or regenerated here.

 

[Heavens]

I think you are confusing the resurrection on the last day with being born again or regenerated here.

Not hardly.

The "resurrection" is not an "event".

Jesus IS the resurrection.

(Joh 11:25) Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

He corrected Martha, who thought that it was a "future event";

(Joh 11:24) Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

The "last days" scripturally is defined here,

(Act 2:17) And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

Which Peter says is "fulfilled"

(Act 2:16) But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

If you are the "body of Christ", then you have already been raised up in Christ. That is the entire point.

Being in Christ's Body IS resurrection Life. His body IS resurrected. Nobody can deny this.

If we are NOW resurrected in the "first resurrection" (Christ's resurrection after 3 days and nights), then the "second death" has no power over us;

(Rev 20:6) Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

When was the "first resurrection"?

(Col 1:18) And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

This is quite definetly and inarguably the "first resurrection";

(Rom 1:4) And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

(Luk 24:2) And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre.
(Luk 24:3) And they entered in, and found not the body of the Lord Jesus.
(Luk 24:4) And it came to pass, as they were much perplexed thereabout, behold, two men stood by them in shining garments:
(Luk 24:5) And as they were afraid, and bowed down their faces to the earth, they said unto them, Why seek ye the living among the dead?
(Luk 24:6) He is not here, but is risen: remember how he spake unto you when he was yet in Galilee,
(Luk 24:7) Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.
(Luk 24:8) And they remembered his words,


As far as the "last day" that is simply when this "fleshly tabernacle is dissolved". Our last day in this flesh body is "the last day", of which the "second death has no power", because we've already died in Christ in baptism.

Everyone has their own particular last day when the flesh ceases to breathe. We who are in Christ's Resurrection Life NOW, upon us "the second death has no power".

Then is this what we see;

(1Jn 3:2) Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

This ties up any and every loose end concerning this OP.

May all be Blessed in Jesus, the Resurrection and the Life, NOW TODAY!

 

[Hismessenger]

they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life;

We who were dead in our sins, we who died in Christ, are now made alive!

Yes we are made alive but have we been resurrected from this flesh. That's what you seem to miss. We must put off this corruption and put on in-corruption. The only way this will be accomplished is through the resurrection of life as according to the scripture which is bolded above.

Ephesians makes this very clear when it says we are sealed with the holy spirit until the redemption of the purchased possession. When does that redemption take place. The last day when all are resurrected to the judgment of Christ as given by the scriptures I have posted. Unless you are resurrected according to the first resurrection, then you will be a part of the second resurrection as per the scripture from my last post.

Finally I ask, where is your glorified body which is the redemption of the purchased possession unto his glory. We have been made alive but yet to be redeemed.

hismessenger

 

[Mikecpking]

Not hardly.

The "resurrection" is not an "event".

Jesus IS the resurrection.

(Joh 11:25) Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

He corrected Martha, who thought that it was a "future event";

(Joh 11:24) Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

The "last days" scripturally is defined here,

(Act 2:17) And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

Which Peter says is "fulfilled"

(Act 2:16) But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

If you are the "body of Christ", then you have already been raised up in Christ. That is the entire point.

Being in Christ's Body IS resurrection Life. His body IS resurrected. Nobody can deny this.

If we are NOW resurrected in the "first resurrection" (Christ's resurrection after 3 days and nights), then the "second death" has no power over us;

(Rev 20:6) Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

When was the "first resurrection"?

(Col 1:18) And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

This is quite definetly and inarguably the "first resurrection";

(Rom 1:4) And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

(Luk 24:2) And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre.
(Luk 24:3) And they entered in, and found not the body of the Lord Jesus.
(Luk 24:4) And it came to pass, as they were much perplexed thereabout, behold, two men stood by them in shining garments:
(Luk 24:5) And as they were afraid, and bowed down their faces to the earth, they said unto them, Why seek ye the living among the dead?
(Luk 24:6) He is not here, but is risen: remember how he spake unto you when he was yet in Galilee,
(Luk 24:7) Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.
(Luk 24:8) And they remembered his words,


As far as the "last day" that is simply when this "fleshly tabernacle is dissolved". Our last day in this flesh body is "the last day", of which the "second death has no power", because we've already died in Christ in baptism.

Everyone has their own particular last day when the flesh ceases to breathe. We who are in Christ's Resurrection Life NOW, upon us "the second death has no power".

Then is this what we see;

(1Jn 3:2) Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

This ties up any and every loose end concerning this OP.

May all be Blessed in Jesus, the Resurrection and the Life, NOW TODAY!

On the contrary, the resurrection is an event:

John 6:
And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. 40 For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.”

Daniel 12:2

2 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.

While Jesus is the resurrection and the life, he is implying he will do the resurrecting as he is God.

We are not resurrected yet, because we have not died physically yet. The metaphorical "dying" refers to baptism.

 

[Hismessenger]

So if Christ was the first resurrection and Revelations 20;4 says that the saints who are beheaded for their witness in the tribulation are in the first resurrection how do you explain that. This is suppose to occur centuries after Christ has risen showing that there would have to be at least two resurrections for there was no tribulation for the saints until after Christ had died and risen.

And then you call the word of God a lie. And they which have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation is what the word says. So, 1 when is this suppose to happen and 2, where is your glorified body? You can't side step the truth of the word.

hismessenger

 

[Hismessenger]

No this is NOT Jesus speaking to His disciples. He is speaking to the Jews which He did often on this matter as they did not believe in the resurrection.

It seems like he is still speaking to those same Jews who still don't believe in the resurrection as given by scripture.

hismessenger

 

[Hismessenger]

Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and [I saw] the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his] mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection.

Act 24:15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.

If Jesus gave revelation on the first resurrection and Paul understood that there would be a resurrection of the dead both of the just and unjust, how is it that you don't seem to able to grasp this fact. Yes Christ is the resurrection,

Eph 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

We have yet to be redeemed for until we leave this flesh we are dead in trespasses. WE must be made incorruptible and this is done through the resurrection unto life. Until this body returns to the dust, we can not be free from sin. This is what Christ did for us. He put death to and end.

When is the day of redemption?, for if it was as you say, then Paul was in error and the first resurrection of the saints after the tribulation is a fabrication of Christ and also in error.

I fully understand where you are coming from but the word gives us both understandings and you can't have one without the other. Nor can you deny one for the other, for the word runs so much deeper than just those two understandings and we must put it all together in order to see the true picture with understanding.

I could say to you that we were resurrected from the foundations of the world which would be true but it isn't in line with the fulfillment of the word which has gone forth from God. It is the evident ending to what is planned but it has to follow the order which God has set. He is a God of order, not happenstance.

hismessenger

 

[Hismessenger]

The "resurrection" of men has been going on since the tomb was opened. Each in his own order. As each person receives Him born from the dead!

Then what happened to those who died before the resurrection . Are they lost to eternity or are they yet to be resurrected.

hismessenger

 

[Lysimachus]

There is a form of "spiritual resurrection" folks.

But it is not the "FIRST" resurrection. Nowhere can one prove that the spiritual resurrection (born again) is the "first" resurrection.

The "first" resurrection is a physical one. But the spiritual resurrection is neither the First, nor the Second.

1. Spiritual Resurrection (spiritual)

2. First Resurrection (physical) (of the righteous dead at the beginning of the millennium)

3. Second Resurrection (physical) (of the wicked dead at the end of the millennium)

The scriptures make this very clear in 1 Thess 4:13-17 and Revelation 20.

The Second Resurrection is the Resurrection of DAMNATION. And you Christians who think think that we will be resurrected in the Second Resurrection don't know what you're thinking, because those who come up in the Second Resurrection will die the SECOND DEATH and get thrown into the Lake of Fire.

 

[Lamb's Wife]

Then what happened to those who died before the resurrection . Are they lost to eternity or are they yet to be resurrected.

hismessenger

Easy

(Mat 27:52) And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
(Mat 27:53) And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

There you go

 

[Hismessenger]

Are you putting the JUST saints in the same resurrection with UNJUST?
Or not?

I didn't put them anywhere, the word does but you don't seem to be able to comprehend that. There is a final resurrection into which all who are in the grave are resurrected. Some to honor and some to dishonor. Paul said the just and the unjust so how do you accuse me of making this distinction. I guess it is easier to use me as a side bar then it is to address the scripture itself. Guess you wouldn't want to be guilty of going against the word but whether you say it or not, you still are.

Paul said this, not me and to my understanding, he isn't talking about the first resurrection but the last.

Act 24:15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.

The word also says that all will stand before the judgment seat of Christ but evidently you don't believe that pertains to you since you are already resurrected. Can you find anything that the word all doesn't include.

Rom 14:10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

2Cr 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things [done] in [his] body, according to that he hath done, whether [it be] good or bad.

Take note, these scripture say the just and the unjust and whether what we've done is good or bad. What you can't seem to grasp is that in order to get your reward, you must stand before the judgment seat. Your not going to die because you have gained salvation. But you still have to face Christ in order to hear well done my good and faithful servant.

Every knee will bow before the throne both the just and the unjust. It just hit me that Paul was talking to the Pharisees and even they knew of the resurrection. Go back and look at the scripture for yourself. What you are doing is the same thing as the Sadducees did, denying the resurrection.

I think I have shown enough scripture for you to at least investigate what is said and not lean to your own understanding which came from someone else. Eisxegesis.

hismessenger

 

[Lysimachus]

To be honest, a more accurate look at the First Resurrection is that the spiritual resurrection is the "beginning" of the First Resurrection.

Jesus Christ literally resurrected. So when we are born again, we also will be resurrected physically. You do not separate the spiritual resurrection from the first resurrection, as to resurrect spiritually is only "half" way there. As a result of your dedication to God, you will resurrect physically.

The First Resurrection will be for all those saints who died prior to Christ's Second Advent. The "rest of the dead that lived not again until the thousand years are finished" (Rev 20:5) are the wicked who were destroyed by the brightness at Christ's Second Coming.

The "Second Resurrection", aka, Resurrection of Damnation, will occur at the end of the millennium when all the wicked that died prior to the millennium will resurrect to face the "second death".

Remember, you had to have died once before in order to have a "second" death.

 

[Lysimachus]

The word makes it clear that the saints in this verse are in the great tribulation and come under the wrath of Satan and lose their heads. Then it goes on to say;

Who are the rest of the dead? They are the saints who died before the tribulation. As I said earlier the first shall be last and the last shall be first.
It begins in Rev 6 when it talks about those who gave their lives for the word of God and the testimony which they held

This is the rest of the dead awaiting the end time resurrection for it doesn't say that they loose their heads because of God's word and they were not in the tribulation with the beast and false prophet. There were and are millions of Christians killed daily but none in the manner and time of the anti Christ as of yet.

hismessenger

Not at all. The rest of the dead are the wicked, who died by the brightness of His Second Coming. Remember, only those who come up in the "first resurrection" are "blessed". All those who come up at the end of the 1000 years will be thrown into the Lake of Fire. Remember to take "scripture with scripture". I have provided plenty. You cannot build your theology off of just Revelation. You have to take in the totality of the scriptures. Jesus destroys the wicked in Revelation 19.

"And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which [sword] proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh." (Revelation 19:21)

"But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished." (Revelation 20:5)

The "rest of the dead" here are those whom the fowls are feasting upon. They will come up in the "second resurrection" to face the "second death".

All the saints will be inside the New Jerusalem. No human being can be saved after the Second Coming, prior to the Millennium. The cases of every human being are decided BEFORE Christ's Second Coming:

"He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be." (Revelation 22:11,12)

There is no hope for salvation for any man after the Second Coming. The Second Coming takes place PRIOR to the Millennium.

Therefore, all those "rest of the dead" that come up at the END of the 1000 years can only be wicked people, to face the Great White Throne Judgment.

They cannot be righteous people, for the cases of all men have already been determined just before Christ comes the Second Time.

There will be NO MORE MEDIATOR! Christ will have LEFT the sanctuary, so there is no more atonement taking place in the Heavenly Sanctuary, as He is no longer ministering.

 

[son_flower]

Here we go again.

I do not believe in the dichotomy of the soul.

Body + Spirit = Soul.

The Truth About Death

A soul is a human being. You are a soul. I am a soul.

It appears our difference here has to do with the soul. If you would like to debate me on this, you're going to have to wait. I've written volumes and volumes of exegesis dismantling every argument imaginable that a soul is not a human being, that includes his/her body. So that will have to wait, as I am on a trip and don't have time right now.

Scripture even teaches that animals are souls. And it even teaches that souls do die.

Please do not get hung up on the soul.
Adam had a body before he became a living soul.

Simply move on and answer the other questions.

Thrones??? where are they.

Judgment??? of who?

Satan deceiving nations and surrounding Saints??? how?

Physical among glorified??

 

[Lysimachus]

Do you have Scripture showing bodies and a physical reign of Christ??

First, what scripture do you have that it must mention "bodies" in order to not be implicated? You create your own rules. Scriptures are not limited to such rules you are inducing into these texts.

"These are the sons of Zilpah, whom Laban gave to Leah his daughter, and these she bare unto Jacob, even sixteen souls." (Genesis 46:18)

1. I could list you about 40 more such texts, where the word "bodies" aren't mentioned.

2. Question: Since because "bodies" aren't mentioned in these texts, should we assume that these "sixteen souls" were beings without bodies?

I don't think so.

And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and [I saw] the souls....

We already know a body is different from a soul.

Nope. Even animals are souls: "And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man; and every living soul died in the sea." (Revelation 16:3)

Fish do not have "souls" in the sense that they have the gift of eternal life, yet even without the gift of eternal life, they are called "souls". And we know, without question, that animals only exist in their body. Thus, it is the whole animal that is a "soul". Even Genesis 1:20,24, 28, 30 tells you that animals have "life" (same Hebrew word for Soul, and translated "Soul" in the Greek translation of the Old Testament).

The word "soul" just means "LIFE". So in Revelation, when it says "souls", just put the word "LIVES" in your mind. When you see a bunch of people, you are looking at the "lives" of individual.

Now you have major contradictions here.

With all due respect ma'am, it is you who has the major contradictions.

If your physical bodily resurrection is at the beginning of 1000 years, then these new 'spiritual' bodies are reigning on physical earth??
Scripture???

"For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first." (1 Thess 4:16)

Had you read my previous posts in this thread, you would have noticed that I exegetically and thoroughly addressed all these issues. From the questions you are asking me, it is rather apparent that you have not read them thoroughly enough, as I have provided more than enough scriptures. I suggest you go a few pages back in this thread and read my posts carefully and meticulously before you come to conclusions.

As I have already made plain this thread (PLEASE, go back and READ CAREFULLY!), no person reigns on this earth during the 1000 years. It's 100% void and desolate! The reign with Christ is in heaven, not on earth. The reign with Christ on earth commences at the end of the 1000 years, after the saints return with Christ and with the New Jerusalem at the end of the 1000 years. Want details? Before responding to this post, go back and read my old posts. I explain this meticulously.

where are these changed bodies thrones set up?

They are setup in the New Jerusalem. At the Second Coming (first resurrection), at the beginning of the millennium, all saints are taken to heaven in their glorified bodies. Revelation 20:4 tells you unambiguously that there are saints (the word "they"), and also souls that were beheaded. All of them are souls. Every single person is a soul.

and what are the 'souls' reining over?

You have to "reign" over somebody to be "reigning?" No wicked person will be alive during the 1000 years, or after. "Reigning" simply means having dominion over nature, like Adam had dominion over every living thing in Genesis.

Revelation 22:5 says... "and they [the saints] shall reign for ever and ever."

If you think reigning means "reigning over the wicked", then by the plain definition of this verse, the wicked would have to live forever. A notion too absurd to be entertained.

do others change along the way??

Nope, they changed at the Second Coming, at the First Resurrection. As I have shown before, human beings today are called "souls". Read Genesis 46. No mention of their bodies. Yet an intelligent, cognitive reasoning individual will understand that these people had bodies.

Uh...even the fish of the sea.

And the major problem is why does Satan deceive nations who surround them if they are in new bodies?

Why is this a problem? I don't see a problem. The saints are safely inside the New Jerusalem (the Holy City that came down from heaven). All these saints were reigning with Christ in heaven for 1000 years.

How do nations full of physical bodies surround a spiritual body??

Where in Revelation 20 does it say these nations have "bodies"?

As I have already proven, unambiguously, souls just mean PEOPLE!