The First Resurrection

[Hismessenger]

You keep wanting to place the Kingdom of God WITHIN us in to some far off future!!

This sounds to me like it is future but I guess you know more than the one who you say you are in;

Rev 6:9 ¶ And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
Rev 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
Rev 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they [were], should be fulfilled.

Now why would Jesus say this to John. It sounds like future to me and I would imagine to most others who have read this passage. They didn't even have their robes when they cry out for justice, So you continue to believe as you do. There is some truth in what you say but not all of the truth. You can't have one without the other.

hismessenger

 

[Hismessenger]

What is your point here?

You already said it and still don't recognize it. You must have a change of clothes for the eternal spirit cannot live in a flesh body. That is what the resurrection of the body is all about. So that you resurrected spirit can inhabit a glorified body eternally.

hismessenger

 

[Lysimachus]

You are deaf. Shall we repeat something to the deaf?

No thank you. Please do not repeat. I can read very well, and I have no relish to continue on debating with those who adapt spiritualistic philosophies, akin to Platonic jargon.

You fail on every point in obtaining the perspicacious insight necessary to ascertain the spiritual applications that eventually reach fulfillment literally. You teach that this wicked world will continue on, and that God will never put an end to sin. To teach that there will be no literal second coming is to teach that sin will go on forever, and never be put an end to. In other words, God is incapable of stopping sin, and purifying His universe. I will adopt no such utopian fantasy. Christ's Second Coming and Resurrection is to dwell in our hearts spiritually, now, before it will finally reach its acme and completion when Christ literally comes crashing through the clouds.

When Jesus comes crashing through the clouds, and the entire earth shakes, and every mountain is moved, and the wicked run to call the rocks to fall upon them, don't say we didn't warn you.

Because it's coming. Oh is it coming, and the signs are all around us.

Mark. My. Words.

 

[Hismessenger]

You say there are no scriptures of a second coming but there are many which you want to disregard for you doctrine. Here are a few.

Luk 12:40 "Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect."
Mar 13:26 "Then they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
Mat 24:30 "Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
So now the question to you is, if you are already resurrected?, what is the purpose of His coming if you can comprehend what I'm asking.?

hismessenger

 

[Hismessenger]

Why do people get so hung up on the physical Son flower? Can you understand why they just keep harping on the future? and the "physical"?

So let me ask you this. If you were to die today, where would your abode be?
Simple question. Please don't.try to mask it with unnecessary scripture.

hismessenger

 

[Lamb's Wife]

So let me ask you this. If you were to die today, where would your abode be?
Simple question. Please don't.try to mask it with unnecessary scripture.

hismessenger

Yeah, me, that sinister unnecessary scripture masker...

Here is the simple answer again from God, using different scriptures this time to "mask" the answer lol...

(1Jn 3:2) Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

(Joh 4:24) God isa Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

(1Ti 1:17) Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.

(Luk 24:26) Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?

(Mat 10:28) And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

(Rev 20:6) Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Look at the things I "highlighted". I always do that for you to "mask" what God is saying hehe

 

[Hismessenger]

You didn't answer the question. Just threw out more scripture to bolster up your view ineffectively as it was. Answer the question. if you died today, where would your spirit abide. And where is Lazarus today?

If you can't answer the question honestly than it is better not to answer it at all. Where would your spirit abide?

hismessenger

 

[Mikecpking]

Here is a good stance on what happens

YouTube - ‪State of the Dead - First response to OneTrueChurch (2A)‬‏

 

[Lysimachus]

The resurrection is on the last day

Job 14:10-12

New International Version (NIV)


10 But a man dies and is laid low;
he breathes his last and is no more.
11 As the water of a lake dries up
or a riverbed becomes parched and dry,
12 so he lies down and does not rise;
till the heavens are no more, people will not awake
or be roused from their sleep.

John 11
24 Martha answered, “I know he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day.”

John 6:

39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. 40 For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.”

The common theme is that the resurrection (general) will be at the last day and so far, we have not reached the last day.

You have to change your theology as your view directly contradicts these scriptures.

Excellent verses Mike. When reading Lamb's_Wife's and son_flower's posts, I tend to find myself in such shock and awe with how they can pidgen-hole the resurrection into exclusively a present reality with no future literal reality, that some of these basic verses go right over my head. The process of recuperating from the shock works as a deadening poison to my senses, and erases the most basic verses from my mental hard drive, lol!

 

[Lysimachus]

I know a Christian who put off his fleshy tabernacle recently. That was His "last day".
He didn't know that was to be the "last day". But it was.
Neither do you know your "last day".
Neither do I know it, in fact no man but our Father in Heaven knows our "last day".

Jesus corrected Martha. She thought Lazarus' had some "future" last day, but he had already been dead FOUR days. His last day was four days earlier.
Jesus let Him die and stay dead so that He could prove that HE HIMSELF PERSONALLY WAS THE RESURRECTION AND THE LIFE.

Until Christ Came, "Life hadn't yet been brought to Light"

(Joh 1:4) In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

(Joh 8:12) Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

(2Ti 1:10) But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

Jesus corrected and updated Martha. "Resurrection" is now HERE. Not "futuristic". Then He raised Lazarus, PROVING IT!

That same Christ is risen from the dead. He who is alive in us, keeps us alive in Him through OUR LAST DAY.

The biggest error of dispensationalsim is applying the "last day" term as though it is some universal planet earth "one singular day event" on a calendar. That is total carnal thinking and it only comes from men's dispensational teachings that derived from Margaret McDonald's "visions".

There you go again, lumping all those who believe in a physical, literal, future resurrectioninto the "Dispensational" camp, and with "Margaret McDonald".

Prior to any dispensational ideology,(as I have repeated myself a thousand times), the physical, future resurrection was a common theme in Christiandem... even Martin Luther and Tyndale believed it. And believed in a literal Second Coming.

Dispensational ideology is not about a future literal resurrection. It was about the extra elements it added to it, by adding a 7 year tribulation, and a pre-tribulation rapture that occurs 7 years before the Second Coming. Luther and Tyndale, and all the Protestants believed the resurrection occurred at the Second Coming.

So please Lamb's_Wife, I beg of you, please learn proper conceptual categorization.

 

[Hismessenger]

The body does NOT Resurrect. The Spirit does! The body DISSOLVES and puts on immortality.{RESURRECTS}
Period.

If the body doesn't resurrect, Then how was it that the disciples saw the risen Christ in His body. They saw Moses and Elijah In their bodies. The saints under the altar are given robes to put on their bodies. What are they ghosts with no visible form? You just don't want to accept the truth for what you see as a spiritual assessment of who we will be in glory. Adam was created in a glorified body but fell from grace and was made like sin for his disobedience. Christ redeemed us from the curse.

Because you couldn't deny the resurrection you chose to use another word, dissolves, just so that you wouldn't have to face the music but It didn't work.

You still haven't even attempted to answer this post because you can't. The body doesn't dissolve but rather resurrects in immortality. Lazarus was resurrected before Christ himself by Christ and yet he went back to the grave because it wasn't the time of the end. Which brings me back to my last post. Where would your spirit abide if you were to die today?

Answer the questions please without trying to spiritualize everything. There is a thing about rightly dividing the word. You can't have one without the other. Christ had to come in the flesh to put an end to death, brought on by the flesh, for those who,are saved. He was resurrected in the flesh so how do you claim something that even the master never claimed. You must die in the flesh to be freed from the curse of the original sin. That's what Christ did and so will we. Whether you want to believe it or not. This flesh is from the original sin so to be resurrected into our glorified body means to be redeemed from the death brought on by this flesh.

I don't know how many ways I need to say this for you to understand the end results but I will keep trying until the father says enough. Leave them to a reprobate mind.

hismessenger

 

[Mikecpking]

You are serious here aren't you. You really do not have a clue.

Have you ever seen an angel? No???

Daniel saw and talked with the 'man' Gabriel.
Jacob wrestled face to face with one.

Now how is it that we do not see this man Gabriel like Daniel did?
And how is it that Jesus was able to appear at random inside a building?

What body is this that can walk through walls?

Are you seeing how foolish a question this is?




No they are NOT given robes to put on their bodies.

These are YOUR words because you want to think our fleshly body
somehow transfers itself into heaven.


The 'robes' are the clothing of a Righteous soul who has NO PHYSICAL BODY.
God is a Spirit. Angels are ministering spirits. We will be like them.
The spirits of just men made perfect.
The robes are the Righteousness that a saint wears so they are not found naked before God.
Wow.

Rev 6:9
And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

Rev 19:8
And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.




The Scripture TELLS us what we will be like.
We have a Spiritual House not made with hands.
Like the angels.
And like Jesus who WALKED THROUGH WALLS and appeared at random.



Our NEW Spiritual House is not made of hands like the first Adam.
The Last Adam is a quickening Spirit.




What you don't like the Scripture??

That is Pauls word!!!!
Not mine.
He is trying to tell you it is like a melting away.
No flesh is 'resurrected' it is the old DEAD Adam body and the Life of the Spirit that is in Christ keeps on Living.
What do you suppose Jesus will leave me before the bus runs me over?
Or will He leave me after?
No! He will NEVER leave me. His Spiritual House is eternal.

2Co 5:1
For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.



LOL
I have answered it three times now!
Paul answered you TWICE now.

You just do not like the answer. It is so simple.
The FLESH is not born again. The FLESH is not raised to Life.

The INNER man is.

The body is not 'resurrected in immortality'.
It is like a garment that is thrown off.
LIFE has victory over death. Not the other way around.

2Co 5:4
For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.



So what is your point?



I will REMAIN, abide, in Christ who I am One with.
I am the Lambs Wife, even though Lambs Wife is also His Wife.



Yes Christ DID come in the flesh and DID put an end to death.

So are you now saying He walked through walls in His flesh?



Christ DIED ONCE FOR ALL.
I do not have to go up the hill of Calvary in my flesh to be free if my sin.
Me redeemer already did.

You make the Cross of no effect with your 'fleshly' thinking.



Please at least try and search the Scripture for your 'glorified body'.

This is Non Biblical foolishness.

We are the 'Body' of Christ!!

It is simply a Spiritual clothing.
Don't worry that you won't have something to 'touch and see' if you are Spirit you will be able to 'see' Jesus in the Spirit.


Paul is not reprobate.
Neither am i for believing him.

The father wants YOU to put away your carnal glorified body idea and see the Truth that you are a lively stone built into a Spiritual House made without hands like that old dirty Adam.

What do you think a soul is?

 

[son_flower]

What do you think a soul is?

psuchē

from psyche. meaning life.

Like Paul said. the body is dead but the SPIRIT is Life.

 

[Mikecpking]

psuchē

from psyche. meaning life.

Like Paul said. the body is dead but the SPIRIT is Life.

That is the main definition, but it also means a whole person. Which blows away the Rev 6:9 quote you used as someone being disembodied.

 

[Mikecpking]

LOL. dogs have souls.

are they whole people?

These souls under the ALTAR are not "whole people" in any translation.
They are martyrs SLAIN for the word of God.
context
psyche life

No, people don't nor dogs have souls, the bible teaches people are souls.

Genesis 2:7

King James Version (KJV)


7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Man did not get a soul, he became one.

Nowhere does the bible teach that 'soul' is outside a body..period!

The soul is 'life' bound up in a body and also 'soul' means a whole person. It also means a corpse (a dead soul). But it never means a disembodied person.

 

[Hismessenger]

Living and reigning drinking freely of the Waters of Life riding like the four winds behind our King of Kings!

So now another question comes up in the spirit which you must answer in order to make your belief valid.

Who are you reigning over and judging in your resurrected state for this is one of the results of the resurrection.

hismessenger

 

[Hismessenger]

In answer to your question angels can take on the body just as Christ did after his resurrection. The problem is that you don't really know when you are entertaining and angel unless they reveal themselves as such. Your question shows were you are at.

hismessenger

 

[Hismessenger]

What body is this that can walk through walls?

Now I ask you are you for real and have you really read the scriptures or are you going off what someone is teaching without knowing the word for yourself. It sounds like eisegesis study to me. You ask this when Christ himself appeared in a physical body and ate physical food and then disappeared before the disciples very eyes. You really need to be more informed before you take such a stance that you have and can't back it up. Only through suppoistion and wrangling scripture to fit what you have been taught and given by men. The spirit will not alter his word for anyone.

hismessenger

 

[FreeinChrist]

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[Hismessenger]

The body is not 'resurrected in immortality'.
It is like a garment that is thrown off.
LIFE has victory over death. Not the other way around.

So what happened to Christ's body Son flower. Why wasn't it in the tomb when they came to see him?

hismessenger