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[stephen583]

Quotes from Christian Courier, concerning Zechariah 14, as covered by Matthew Henry's Concise Bible Commentary.

"The fundamental problem with premillennial theology is its inability to discern the difference between literal and figurative elements of the Scripture".

From the book, "Biblical Hermeneutics" Professor Milton Terry. "A thorough interpretation of the prophetic portions of the holy Scripture is largely dependent upon a mastery of the principles and laws of figurative language, and types and symbols". Also quoted in the same commentary as referenced to the meaning of Zechariah 14.

"The truth of the matter is, Zechariah 14 has no reference whatever to a millennial reign of Christ on earth. The Bible indisputably teaches that the Second Coming of the Lord WILL TERMINATE ALL EARTHLY AFFAIRS", (2 Peter 3:3,10).

The Dispensational and Premillennial view are teaching a "literal" interpretation of Zechariah 14 which is "
doomed to failure" according to Milton Terry, PHD.

Christianity.com (Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary on Zechariah 14:16-21). Direct Quote from the accompanying text.

"It is evident, that a figurative meaning must here be applied. Gospel worship is represented by the keeping of the feast of the tabernacles. Every day of a Christians life is a day of the feast of tabernacles; every Lord's day especially is the great day of the feast".

There is no indication whatsoever Zechariah 14 refers to a reinstitution of Levitical temple worship, or the reconstruction of a Third Jewish Temple. According to Christian doctrine, there is no need for a physical temple to be constructed in order for the "feast of the tabernacles" to be observed.

Again. According to real Christian theology, and 1 Corinthians 3:16, terms like the "holy place, God's House and the temple" as used in End Time Bible prophecy, refer figuratively to the "bodies of Christian believers", not a physical temple building. There is no existing Bible Commentary, or conservative scholarly opinion that disagrees with this opinion. Absolutely None !..

Do you guys even bother to read what Bible scholars say about the meaning of Bible prophecy before you post verses making erroneous statements that try to support evangelical and Jewish mythology about a Third Temple ?! Guess not.

 

[stephen583]

You hate the idea of a third temple. A lot of people do, so you are not alone. A lot of people hate that Israel exists as a nation also.

Anti-Zionism does not equate to Anti-Semitism. The two are often lumped together by Zionists as though they represent the same thing. Jesus was a Jew. Nobody can be a Christian and be Anti-Semitic. That would be an "oxy-moron" "Anti-Semitic/Christian". Arabs are Semitic people as well. So defending the rights of Arab Palestinians, especially Christian Arabs can hardly be described as "Anti-Semitic" rhetoric. Anti-Zionist, yes.

In fact, IMO, Zionist ideology has about as much in common with the tenants and religious principles of Judaism, as Klu Klux Klan ideology has in common with Christian theology.

 

[Postvieww]

Quotes from Christian Courier, concerning Zechariah 14, as covered by Matthew Henry's Concise Bible Commentary.

"The fundamental problem with premillennial theology is its inability to discern the difference between literal and figurative elements of the Scripture".

From the book, "Biblical Hermeneutics" Professor Milton Terry. "A thorough interpretation of the prophetic portions of the holy Scripture is largely dependent upon a mastery of the principles and laws of figurative language, and types and symbols". Also quoted in the same commentary as referenced to the meaning of Zechariah 14.

"The truth of the matter is, Zechariah 14 has no reference whatever to a millennial reign of Christ on earth. The Bible indisputably teaches that the Second Coming of the Lord WILL TERMINATE ALL EARTHLY AFFAIRS", (2 Peter 3:3,10).

The Dispensational and Premillennial view are teaching a "literal" interpretation of Zechariah 14 which is "
doomed to failure" according to Milton Terry, PHD.

Christianity.com (Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary on Zechariah 14:16-21). Direct Quote from the accompanying text.

"It is evident, that a figurative meaning must here be applied. Gospel worship is represented by the keeping of the feast of the tabernacles. Every day of a Christians life is a day of the feast of tabernacles; every Lord's day especially is the great day of the feast".

There is no indication whatsoever Zechariah 14 refers to a reinstitution of Levitical temple worship, or the reconstruction of a Third Jewish Temple. According to Christian doctrine, there is no need for a physical temple to be constructed in order for the "feast of the tabernacles" to be observed.

Again. According to real Christian theology, and 1 Corinthians 3:16, terms like the "holy place, God's House and the temple" as used in End Time Bible prophecy, refer figuratively to the "bodies of Christian believers", not a physical temple building. There is no existing Bible Commentary, or conservative scholarly opinion that disagrees with this opinion. Absolutely None !..

Do you guys even bother to read what Bible scholars say about the meaning of Bible prophecy before you post verses making erroneous statements that try to support evangelical and Jewish mythology about a Third Temple ?! Guess not.

I really don't waste a lot of time on Matthew Henry, professor Milton Terry or anyone else who refuses to believe what is written. If you ever wonder why the church has so many conflicting doctrines just reread your last post.
"Real Christian theology" really , this forum is so fortunate to have someone to enlighten us as to "real Christian theology.

 

[stephen583]

Real Christian theology" really , this forum is so fortunate to have someone to enlighten us as to "real Christian theology.

Thank you, this forum already has an over abundance of "evangelical", "premillennial", "pro-Zionist" and "dispensationalist" argument. None of which represents mainstream conservative Christian doctrine. It is fringe theology and political Zionist ideology.

I don't ignore scholarly Bible commentary, I do however use the copies of the Watch Tower handout left occasionally at my front door to line the bottom of my parrots bird cage.

 

[Postvieww]

Thank you, this forum already has an over abundance of "evangelical", "premillennial", "pro-Zionist" and "dispensationalist" argument. None of which represents mainstream conservative Christian doctrine. It is fringe theology and ideology.

You can't interpret sarcasm either.

 

[Psalm3704]

"The truth of the matter is, Zechariah 14 has no reference whatever to a millennial reign of Christ on earth.

There is no indication whatsoever Zechariah 14 refers to a reinstitution of Levitical temple worship, or the reconstruction of a Third Jewish Temple. According to Christian doctrine, there is no need for a physical temple to be constructed in order for the "feast of the tabernacles" to be observed.

Good News Translation
Zechariah 14:20 (GNT) At that time even the harness bells of the horses will be inscribed with the words "Dedicated to the Lord." The cooking pots in the Temple will be as sacred as the bowls before the altar.

The Message Bible
Zechariah 14:20 (MSG) On that Day, the Big Day, all the horses' harness bells will be inscribed "Holy to God." The cooking pots in the Temple of God will be as sacred as chalices and plates on the altar.

New Century Version
Zechariah 14:20 (NCV) At that time the horses' bells will have written on them: holy to the lord. The cooking pots in the Temple of the Lord will be like the holy altar bowls.

New International Reader's Version
Zechariah 14:20 (NIRV) On that day HOLY TO THE LORD will be carved on the bells of the horses. The cooking pots in the LORD's temple will be just like the sacred bowls in front of the altar for burnt offerings.

New Living Translation
Zechariah 14:20 (NLT) On that day even the harness bells of the horses will be inscribed with these words: HOLY TO THE LORD . And the cooking pots in the Temple of the LORD will be as sacred as the basins used beside the altar.

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Published: February 11, 2016
FINALLY! Israel Officially Calling For Third Temple to Replace al-Aqsa Mosque!
http://www.israelvideonetwork.com/f...g-for-third-temple-to-replace-al-aqsa-mosque/

First Publish: 7/26/2015
Watch: Architectural Plans for Third Temple Have Begun
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/198621#.VxCsDfkrLX5

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The Millennial Temple (4th Temple) is described in the book of Ezekiel, chapters 40-47.

Do you guys even bother to read what Bible scholars say about the meaning of Bible prophecy before you post verses making erroneous statements that try to support evangelical and Jewish mythology about a Third Temple ?! Guess not.

The Predicted Millennial Temple
There is overwhelming scriptural evidence predicting a Temple during the Millennial Kingdom on earth (Isa. Isa. 2:3; Isa. 56:6-7; Isa. 60:13; Eze. Eze. 40:1-Eze. 47:1; Dan. Dan. 9:24; Joel Joel 3:18; Hag. Hag. 2:7-9; Zec. Zec. 6:12-15; Zec. 8:20-23). Most interpreters do not deny these passages. However, most spiritualize them because they are unable to reconcile a future earthly kingdom, complete with Temple, with a theology which believes that the Church has replaced Israel as the “New Israel” and that the spiritual Temple of the Believer has forever replaced any need for a physical Temple. Even though the level of detail given concerning the Temple (Eze. Eze. 40:1-Eze. 47:1) is impossible to explain allegorically or to reliably attach spiritual significance to, most commentators attempt to do just this. They reject the Golden Rule of Interpretation in favor of a completely spiritual/figurative interpretation. This inability to accept the statements of Scripture concerning the details of the Millennial Temple has led to a variety of interpretations:

Several non-literal interpretations have been advanced by interpreters regarding the millennial temple of Ezekiel. These are: First view— The vision was given by God for the benefit of post-exilic Jews to help them remember Solomon’s temple design when they restore the old temple. Second view— Here is an ideal blueprint of what should have been built by the Jewish remnant after their return from the Babylonian captivity. Third view— The prophecy is a grand, complicated symbol of the Christian church. This is the standard amillennial position. As Milton Terry says, “this vision of restored and perfected temple, service, and land symbolizes the perfected kingdom of God and his Messiah.” Fourth view— The glorious descriptions found in this prophecy will surely be fulfilled at the millennium, but do not fuss over the how of fulfillment. This is the covenant premillennial position which refuses to go into details.

Read more here:
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[stephen583]

As I indicated earlier, posting OT Bible prophecy verses where the word "temple" is used is completely irrelevant as far as showing evidence of a Third Jewish Temple at the Time of the End, (i.e. the Tribulation Period, Daniel's Seventieth Week, ect.) because the only correct context for the word "temple" is the one used in 1 Corinthians 3:16 which states the bodies of believing Christians are now the only temple that is relevant according to Christian doctrine.

Post a conservative Bible Commentary that says otherwise, or continue wasting your time posting verses out of context and making erroneous, unsupported arguments. It is your time to waste, and it is entirely up to you what you do with it.

If the reconstruction of a Third Jewish Temple is a definitive sign of the beginning of the Tribulation Period, don't you find it strange it wasn't mentioned anywhere in the Olivet Discourse, which dealt "specifically" with the signs of the End Times and the Tribulation Period ??? Like I said, if its not consistent with the Gospel of Christ, it can't be Christian doctrine.

Of course there are "whacko" web-sites devoted to the Third Temple Myth. There are also web-sites devoted to Big Foot, Flying Saucers, Aquatic Apes (marine hominids that evolved in the sea) and an ancient civilization existing on Mars... That doesn't mean any of these myths are TRUE. All it proves, is that if you're looking for whacko web-sites on the internet, you'll find one.

The same applies to websites that report a reconstruction of a Third Jewish Temple is imminent. They've been around for decades. New sites go up proclaiming the Third Temple is about to be built... and nothing happens. Over and over and over again. As we say in the South, "This Dog Don't Hunt".

 

[dfw69]

A new temple will signify the false messianic age ..

Who will rule from Jerusalem ? Jesus or another ?...

Jesus said the Jews will recieve another who comes in his own name ... So a future false temple is possible ... There are many wiling to rebuild it ...all they need is someone to lead them ... A false messiah to guide them into the false messianic age

 

[stephen583]

A new temple will signify the false messianic age ..

See, it's pointless trying to convince an "ideologue" he's wrong. It's like hypnotizing someone and suggesting to them they are a commercial airplane pilot, and arguing with them while they are still hypnotized, trying to get them to admit they are not a commercial airline pilot. It's actually pretty hysterical. Lol.

Dfw69. You are one of the people who are going to be caught completely unaware of the Second Coming of Christ, because you are still going to be totally asleep and waiting for the myth of a Third Jewish Temple to be fulfilled, before you'll acknowledge the Tribulation Period has even begun. Good luck with that.

 

[Douggg]

As I indicated earlier, posting OT Bible prophecy verses where the word "temple" is used is completely irrelevant as far as showing evidence of a Third Jewish Temple at the Time of the End, (i.e. the Tribulation Period, Daniel's Seventieth Week, ect.) because the only correct context for the word "temple" is the one used in 1 Corinthians 3:16 which states the bodies of believing Christians are now the only temple that is relevant according to Christian doctrine.

Post a conservative Bible Commentary that says otherwise, or continue wasting your time posting verses out of context and making erroneous, unsupported arguments. It is your time to waste, and it is entirely up to you what you do with it.

If the reconstruction of a Third Jewish Temple is a definitive sign of the beginning of the Tribulation Period, don't you find it strange it wasn't mentioned anywhere in the Olivet Discourse, which dealt "specifically" with the signs of the End Times and the Tribulation Period ??? Like I said, if its not consistent with the Gospel of Christ, it can't be Christian doctrine.

Of course there are "whacko" web-sites devoted to the Third Temple Myth. There are also web-sites devoted to Big Foot, Flying Saucers, Aquatic Apes (marine hominids that evolved in the sea) and an ancient civilization existing on Mars... That doesn't mean any of these myths are TRUE. All it proves, is that if you're looking for whacko web-sites on the internet, you'll find one.

The same applies to websites that report a reconstruction of a Third Jewish Temple is imminent. They've been around for decades. New sites go up proclaiming the Third Temple is about to be built... and nothing happens. Over and over and over again. As we say in the South, "This Dog Don't Hunt".

Jesus did not say that the temple would not be rebuilt.

Big Foot, Flying Saucers, Aquatic Apes, ancient civilization existing of Mars - are not in bible prophecy, so those are not a dismissive argument. A temple during the end times is in the text of the bible. You are making emotionally charged arguments, because you have a drawn a wrong conclusion in your rationale, and when faced with text right out of the bible of a temple existing in the end times - you have no biblical argument stating otherwise. So you go on an emotional rant.

There will be an end times temple built for the Antichrist to go into it, sit in the temple of God, in an audacious act of claiming to have achieved god-hood, revealing himself as the man of sin.

 

[dfw69]

See, it's pointless trying to convince an "ideologue" he's wrong. It's like hypnotizing someone and suggesting to them they are a commercial airplane pilot, and arguing with them while they are still hypnotized, trying to get them to admit they are not a commercial airline pilot. It's actually pretty hysterical. Lol.

It's not funny .. If you were hypnotized ... I would try to snap you out of it ... Especially if it leads you into hurting yourself ...

.you believe I'm hypnotized in my doctrine ? By whom?....are you saying I'm not a Christian nor saved but I am hypnotized into thinking I'm saved and you laugh at that ?

Dfw69. You are one of the people who are going to be caught completely unaware of the Second Coming of Christ, because you are still going to be totally asleep and waiting for the myth of a Third Jewish Temple to be fulfilled, before you'll acknowledge the Tribulation Period has even begun. Good luck with that.

explain what you mean ?.... What is the tribulation period?...has it begun?

Is Jesus on his way now? What do I need to be aware of?

 

[dfw69]

See, it's pointless trying to convince an "ideologue" he's wrong. It's like hypnotizing someone and suggesting to them they are a commercial airplane pilot, and arguing with them while they are still hypnotized, trying to get them to admit they are not a commercial airline pilot. It's actually pretty hysterical. Lol.

Dfw69. You are one of the people who are going to be caught completely unaware of the Second Coming of Christ, because you are still going to be totally asleep and waiting for the myth of a Third Jewish Temple to be fulfilled, before you'll acknowledge the Tribulation Period has even begun. Good luck with that.

Still waiting for your response...

Been waiting all day actually

 

[stephen583]

explain what you mean ?.... What is the tribulation period?...has it begun?

Is Jesus on his way now? What do I need to be aware of?

You are going to get all your questions answered very shortly.

 

[dfw69]

You are going to get all your questions answered very shortly.

When ?...why be so cryptic ?

Jesus said if you know something do not hide it under the bed but let light shine so that God be glorified

 

[Psalm3704]

As I indicated earlier, posting OT Bible prophecy verses where the word "temple" is used is completely irrelevant as far as showing evidence of a Third Jewish Temple at the Time of the End

Revelation 11:1-2 New King James Version (NKJV)
11 Then I was given a reed like a measuring rod. And the angel stood, saying, “Rise and measure the temple of God, the altar, and those who worship there. 2 But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given to the Gentiles. And they will tread the holy city underfoot for forty-two months.​

Post a conservative Bible Commentary that says otherwise, or continue wasting your time posting verses out of context and making erroneous, unsupported arguments. It is your time to waste, and it is entirely up to you what you do with it.

Revelation 11:1 New King James Version (NKJV)
Then I was given a reed like a measuring rod. And the angel stood, saying, “Rise and measure the temple of God, the altar, and those who worship there.

Revelation 11:1
a reed like a measuring rod
Reed is κάλαμος [kalamos] , the same word which described the mock scepter given to Jesus along with His crown of thorns (Mtt. Mat. 27:29). The soldiers used this “scepter” to beat Him on the head (Mtt. Mat. 27:30; Mark Mark 15:19).

Kalamos (measuring rod) refers to a reed like plant that grew in the Jordan Valley to a height of fifteen to twenty feet. It had a stalk that was hollow and lightweight, yet rigid enough to be used as a walking staff (cf. Eze. Eze. 29:6) or to be shaved down into a pen (3Jn. 3Jn. 1:13). The stalks, because they were long and lightweight, were ideal for use as measuring rods.1

Later, one of the seven angels (having one of the seven bowls of the seven last plagues) talks with John and uses a golden reed to measure the heavenly Jerusalem (Rev. Rev. 21:15+). Measuring rod is ῥάβδῳ[hrabdō] which is translated elsewhere by “rod,” “staff,” or “scepter.”2 This is the word used for the rod of iron by which the rule of Jesus is asserted (Rev. Rev. 2:27+; Rev. 12:5+; Rev. 19:15+).

And the angel stood, saying
This phrase, the angel stood, is omitted by the MT and NU texts which render the voice speaking with John anonymously: “someone said.”3 If we follow the reading of the TR text, then the angel speaking with John would seem to be the angel of Revelation Rev. 10:1+ which told him he must “prophesy again about many peoples, nations, tongues, and kings” (Rev. Rev. 10:11+). A few verses later, the voice speaking with John asserts ownership of the two witnesses as if speaking for God in the first person: “And I will give power tomy two witnesses” [emphasis added] (Rev. Rev. 11:3+). Whether the voice is that of an angel or from the throne, the speaker has full divine authority.

measure
In Ezekiel’s vision of the mountain of the Lord’s house, an angelic messenger measures the Millennial Temple using a measuring rod (Eze. Eze. 40:2ff). Ezekiel is told to “look with your eyes and hear with your ears, and fix your mind on everything I show you, for you were brought here so that I might show them to you. Declare to the house of Israel everything you see.” (Eze. Eze. 40:4-5). Measurements were made of both the inner temple and common area (Eze. Eze. 42:15-20). Similarly, Zechariah sees a “man with a measuring line in his hand” (Zec. Zec. 2:1) who measures the dimensions of Jerusalem. The measurement appears to testify of its immense perimeter in a future time of blessing (Zec. Zec. 2:4-5). John is told to“measure” three things: (1) the temple of God; (2) the altar; and 3) those who worship there. The temple and altar are to be literally measured whereas the presence of the worshipers is merely to be noticed and recorded.4 The act of measuring indicates a separation between a portion which God recognizes (the Temple, altar, and worshipers) versus a portion he rejects (the outer court, see below).
Verses 1 and 2 indicate there will be a distinction between Jew and Gentile in this period. The two earlier Jewish temples were divided into four areas: first, the sanctuary itself, which only priests (not even Levites) could enter (this is called the temple of God); second, the area the men of Israel could enter (this included the altar); third, the court of the women in which Israelite women worshiped God; and finally, the court of the Gentiles. John’s instruction was to measure the first three, thus symbolizing God’s interest in, and protection of, the Jewish nation. Chapter 12 confirms this interpretation, for it describes the divine protection symbolized here.5

temple of God
Τὸν ναὸν τοῦ θεοῦ [Ton naon tou theou] . The word for temple, ναὸν [naon] has two general meanings in relation to the house of God in Jerusalem. “(1) In a narrower sense, the inner sanctuary within a sacred precinct (τὸ ἱερόν [to hieron] ) where the divine being resides shrine, (inner) temple (Mtt. Mat. 27:1.51); (2) in a broader yet specific sense, the sanctuary in Jerusalem consisting of the (outer) Holy Place and the (inner) Holy of Holies temple (Mtt. Mat. 26:1.61).”6 The term probably refers to the Holy of Holies and the Holy Place, where only the priests were allowed access. The inner sanctuary, where the divine being resided, is where Jesus predicted the “abomination of desolation” would one day stand in the holy place (τόπῳ ἁγίῳ [topō hagiō] , Mtt. Mat. 24:15). The man of sin, the son of perdition, will also sit in “the temple of God τὸν ναὸν τοῦ θεοῦ [ton naon tou theou] ” (2Th. 2Th. 2:4). This refers to a rebuilt Temple yet future to our time, often called the Tribulation Temple.
Five distinct temples are alluded to by the Scriptures. Solomon’s temple was destroyed by Nebuchadnezzar in 587 B.C. Antiochus Epiphanes pillaged and consecrated to Jupiter the temple of Zerubbabel in 168 B.C. Herod’s magnificent temple was reduced to ashes by Titus in A.D. 70. The fourth temple, the edifice described in this chapter, is to be the focus of attention during the Great Tribulation. Finally, the fifth temple will be the Millennial Temple described in Eze. Eze. 40:1-Eze. 47:1.7

Much confusion has been needlessly brought to bear upon this passage by interpreters who insist on ignoring the literal details of the description and spiritualizing nearly everything as pertaining to “the church.” Barnhouse summarizes:
One commentator has brought together on one page the interpretations of his fellows in a way that will explain much of the confusion that has arisen out of this passage. He points out that almost universally the commentators have tried to force the church into the picture that is painted here when, of course, the church is not in view at all. “The temple is here figuratively used of the faithful portion of the church of Christ.” The command is given to John “to measure the temple of God” in order to call his attention to “the size of the church of God.” The “altar” is again, in the mind of one commentator, “the church.” The “outer court” signifies “a part of the church of Christ.” The “Holy City,” according to these expositors is “always in the Apocalypse the title of the church.” The “two witnesses” represent “the elect church of God,” says one (embracing both Jew and Christian), “and the witness which she bears concerning God, especially in the Old and New Testaments.” “The twelve hundred and sixty days” constitutes the period “during which the church although trodden under foot, will not cease to prophesy.” Concerning the war of the beast against them we are told, “The whole vision is symbolical, and the intention is to convey the idea that the church, in her witness for God, will experience opposition from the power of Satan” and so on and on and on. . . . “What wonder, when such diverse expressions are forced to mean the same thing, if there be endless confusion. Literalism may not solve every perplexity, but it does not lead into any such inexplicable obscurity as this.”8

We can avoid much of this mischief by following the Golden Rule of Interpretation. See Temple of God and Tribulation Temple. This Temple is to be contrasted with the “temple of God . . . in heaven” (Rev. Rev. 11:19+).

the altar
The altar was the location where sacrifices were offered. We know that the Tribulation Temple will have an altar because during The 70th Week of Daniel the Antichrist is said to make a covenant which appears to provide, in part, for sacrifices to be offered on such an altar. In opposition to his covenant “in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering” (Dan. Dan. 9:27b). “By being mentioned separately from the Naos (in which was the golden altar of incense) it looks as though the brazen altar of sacrifice was intended. The word will suit either.”9

those who worship there
τοὺς προσκυνοῦντας [tous proskynountas] , present tense participle, the ones presently worshiping. At the time of the measurement, worship is in progress. There is an intentional contrast between John’s instructions to measure the ones worshiping in the temple versus to leave out the outer court which is given to the nations. Worship within the temple is recognized by God, whereas the activity of the outer court is dismissed.

http://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/revelation/revelation-11/revelation-11-1.html
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Revelation 11:2 New King James Version (NKJV)
But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given to the Gentiles. And they will tread the holy city underfoot for forty-two months.

Revelation 11:2
leave out the court which is outside the temple
Τὴν αὐλὴν τὴν ἔζωθεν τοῦ ναοῦ ἔκβαλε ἔζωθεν [Tēn aulēn tēn ezōthen tou naou ekbale ezōthen] , a play on words: the courtyard outside the temple you throw outside. The phrase throw outside (ἔκβαλε ἔζωθεν[ekbale ezōthen] , expel outside, cast out1 ) emphasizes the rejection of the outer court, probably due to God’s disfavor. Court is αὐλὴν [aulēn] : “An enclosed space, open to the sky, near a house, or surrounded by buildings.”2 The LXX uses the identical term to describe God’s courts (αὐλὴν [aulēn] ) which are trampled (πατεῖν [patein] ) by those who are godless in behavior, yet come offering sacrifice at the temple (Isa. Isa. 1:12, also Ex. Ex. 27:9).

In the Temple which had been built by Herod, in which Jesus walked when He was here upon earth, the outer court was marked off from the inner one where Israel was permitted to go and it was separated by “the middle wall of partition” (Eph. Eph. 2:14). Beyond this no Gentile could go. Paul, accused of breaking this rule, and bringing Gentiles into the holy place, was almost destroyed by angry Jews (Acts Acts 21:28).3

In the time of the Second Temple [the Jews] had erected a boundary fence, the Soreg , between the Court of the Gentiles and the Court of the Israelites, with a warning inscription promising death to any non-Israelite who passed beyond it into the Court of the Israelites. The New Testament (Acts Acts 21:27-28) records a Jewish crowd’s violent reaction to Paul when they mistakenly believed that he had taken a Gentile proselyte (Titus) into the Temple to offer sacrifice.4

it has been given
The portion of the temple which is not under the control of the Jews has been given to the nations to tread. Once again, we see the sovereign purpose of God in the events surrounding the temple during the Tribulation. It is He who has ultimately given control of the outer court to the Gentiles. See commentary on Revelation 6:2. When Asaph contemplated the apparent success of the wicked, he lamented how God’s“enemies roar in the midst of Your meeting place; they set up their banners for signs . . . They have defiled the dwelling place of Your name to the ground” (Ps. Ps. 74:1-7). Elsewhere, he decries, “the nations have come into Your inheritance; Your holy temple they have defiled” (Ps. Ps. 79:1). In the setting of Asaph, the temple had been completely destroyed (cf. Isa. Isa. 63:18). Here, only a portion of the temple is in the hands of the nations.

the Gentiles
Gentiles is ἔθνεσιν [ethnesin] , often translated as nations in Revelation (Rev. Rev. 2:26+; Rev. 5:9+; Rev. 7:9+; Rev. 10:11+; Rev. 12:5+; Rev. 13:7+; Rev. 14:6+; Rev. 15:4+; Rev. 16:19+; Rev. 17:15+; Rev. 18:3+; Rev. 19:15+; Rev. 20:3+; Rev. 21:24+; Rev. 22:2+). These are the nations which John was just told to prophesy about (Rev. Rev. 10:11+). Hence, he is already beginning to fulfill that command. The emphasis on a portion of the temple precincts being given to the Gentiles (or nations) supposes that the main part of the temple proper is under the jurisdiction of non-Gentiles, that is, the Jews.
This casting out of the court of the Gentiles because it is the court of the Gentiles, proves the present dispensation at an end. Now Gentiles and Jews stand on the same level. The one has no prerogatives or rights above the other. In the Church there is neither Greek nor Jew, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free; but all nationalities and conditions in life yield to one common brotherhood and heirship. The text, therefore, tells of a new order of things. . . . the Jew is again in the foreground for the fathers’ sakes, and the Gentiles are thrust back.5

they will tread the holy city underfoot
There is only one holy city within Scripture: Jerusalem (Ne. Ne. 11:1, Ne. 11:18; Isa. Isa. 48:2; Isa. 52:1-2; Dan. Dan. 9:24; Mtt. Mat. 4:5; Mat. 27:53). In some cases, the phrase refers to the New Jerusalem which comes down from heaven (Rev. Rev. 21:2+; Rev. 22:19+), but here it is clearly the earthly Jerusalem because a portion of it has been given to the nations to tread . . . underfoot. The treading of the holy city is typified by the similar occupation and desecration of the sanctuary by Antiochus Epiphanes in the days of the Maccabees:6
Then I heard a holy one speaking; and another holy one said to that certain one who was speaking, “How long will the vision be, concerning the daily sacrifices and the transgression of desolation, the giving of both the sanctuary and the host to be trampled under foot?” And he said to me, “For two thousand three hundred days; then the sanctuary shall be cleansed.” (Dan. Dan. 8:13-14) [emphasis added]

As in Daniel Dan. 11:1, treading underfoot speaks of having authority over the city, just as when the mighty angel stands on the sea and land indicating his authority over the globe (Rev. Rev. 10:2+, Rev. 10:5+). Here, the Gentiles, or nations, exert authority over the holy city while the Jews have authority over the temple of God and the altar. The trampling of the holy city also speaks of occupation without appreciation —the occupiers treat that which is holy as a common thing, failing to understand its significance in the eyes of God (Heb. Heb. 10:29). God has promised to make the earthly Jerusalem “a praise in all the earth” (Isa.Isa. 62:7), but the nations steadfastly refuse to acknowledge God’s plan for Jerusalem which includes her ownership by Israel. In some settings, treading or trampling may also denote destruction (Isa. Isa. 63:18). When Jesus responded to his disciples’ question concerning when Herod’s temple would be destroyed (Luke Luke 21:7), he indicated that following the destruction of Jerusalem, the Jews would “be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled” (Luke Luke 21:24). Thus, this trampling is an indication that during the time period which John sees in his vision the “times of the Gentiles” have still not come to a close. “John indicates that Jerusalem is still in Gentile power and that from the beginning of the series of judgments, which this parenthesis interrupts, until the end of the Gentile dominion is three and one-half years.”7 Jesus indicated that the trampling would take place after the destruction of A.D. 70—which supports the futurist interpretation that takes this temple to be a tribulation temple yet to be built. The preterist interpretation holds that the trampling described here occurs before the temple is destroyed—for if this is Herod’s temple, as they maintain, then the nations are trampling while it still stands. Yet the sequence indicated by Jesus (LukeLuke 21:24) is just the opposite: first Jerusalem is destroyed and the Jews dispersed among the nations,then the trampling begins. The trampling only ends when the “times of the Gentiles” are fulfilled and jurisdiction of Jerusalem returns fully and permanently to the Jews.8
The Times of the Gentiles can best be defined as that long period of time from the Babylonian Empire to the Second Coming of the Messiah during which time the Gentiles have dominion over the City of Jerusalem. This does not rule out temporary Jewish control of the city, but all such Jewish control will be temporary until the Second Coming. Such temporary control was exercised during the Maccabbean Period (164-63 B.C.), the First Jewish Revolt against Rome (A.D. 66-70), the Second Jewish Revolt (the Bar Cochba Revolt) against Rome (A.D. 132-135), and since 1967 as a result of the Six Day War. This too, is temporary, as Gentiles will yet trod Jerusalem down for at least another 3 1/2 years (Rev. Rev. 11:1-2+). Any Jewish takeover of the City of Jerusalem before the Second Coming must therefore be viewed as a temporary one and does not mean that the Times of the Gentiles have ended. The Times of the Gentiles can only end when the Gentiles can no longer tread down the City of Jerusalem.9

It is our belief that at the liberation of Jerusalem in the Six-Day War, the bizarre circumstance where the Jews gave control of the Temple Mount back into the hands of Muslims rather than retaining control of the Mount and removing the Dome of the Rock is a modern-example of the hand of God which has determined that the time has not yet been fulfilled for Israel to obtain exclusive and lasting control over all of Jerusalem. How significant it is today that most nations of the world refuse to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel while pressuring the Jews to continue to subject this historic site of Judaism to support an Islamic religious site while at the same time restricting the religious access of their own people. One would think this situation sufficiently strange to obtain the attention of the atheist who denies the divine hand in history! It is interesting that the same root word (πατεω [pateō] ) which denotes the trampling of the courts in Isaiah (LXX) appears in this chapter to describe the treading underfoot of the holy city by the nations. Even though the nations occupy the holy city, it would seem that God’s response to their activities may be akin to how he responded to the Jews when they offered sacrifices which appeared righteous externally, but when in fact their hearts were far from him:
When you come to appear before Me, who has required this from your hand, to trample My courts? Bring no more futile sacrifices; incense is an abomination to Me. The New Moons, the Sabbaths, and the calling of assemblies-I cannot endure iniquity and the sacred meeting. Your New Moons and your appointed feasts My soul hates; they are a trouble to Me, I am weary of bearing them. When you spread out your hands, I will hide My eyes from you; even though you make many prayers, I will not hear. Your hands are full of blood. (Isa. Isa. 1:12-15)

for forty-two months
The “holy city” which is to be tread underfoot is none other than the “holy city” upon which the seventy weeks of Daniel are determined (Dan. Dan. 9:24), of which one-half of the final week is mentioned here as“forty-two months” and as “one thousand two hundred and sixty days” (Rev. Rev. 11:3+). The treading of the holy city is said to last forty-two months. This corresponds to half of the final week of the 70 weeks of Daniel (Dan. Dan. 9:24-27). But which half? John is told not to measure the outer court because it “has been given” (aorist tense, typically an event occurring prior to the time of the writer) to the Gentiles. Then John is told “They will tread” (future tense) the holy city for forty-two months. If the treading of the holy city by the Gentiles is taken to be simultaneous with their authority over the outer court, then it occurs while the Jews are allowed to worship in the temple and sacrifice on the altar. This would be the first halfof the final week—before sacrifices are brought to an end (Dan. Dan. 9:27) and the two witnesses are overcome by the beast (Rev. Rev. 11:3+). If the treading is taken to follow the possession of the outer court by the Gentiles, then the forty-two months could denote the last half of the week: after the Antichrist has violated his covenant (Dan. Dan. 9:27), the Abomination of Desolation occurs (Mtt. Mat. 24:15 cf. Dan.Dan. 11:31; Dan. Dan. 12:11),10 the Antichrist exerts his global authority (Dan. Dan. 7:25; Dan. 12:7, Dan. 12:11-12; Rev. Rev. 13:5-8+), and the Jews flee to the wilderness where they are protected by God (Mtt.Mat. 24:16-20; Rev. Rev. 12:6+, Rev. 12:14+). See Events of the 70th Week of Daniel. The last half of the week is probably in view so that the termination of the forty-two months corresponds to the end of the“times of the Gentiles” (Luke Luke 21:24) with the arrival of Christ and the introduction of the Millennial Kingdom. Jeremiah prophesied the restoration which would follow Jacob’s Trouble and the Great Tribulation:
‘Ask now, and see, whether a man is ever in labor with child? So why do I see every man with his hands on his loins like a woman in labor, and all faces turned pale? Alas! For that day is great, so that none is like it; and it is the time of Jacob’s trouble, but he shall be saved out of it. For it shall come to pass in that day,’ Says the LORD of hosts, ‘That I will break his yoke from your neck, and will burst your bonds; foreigners shall no more enslave them. But they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up for them.’ (Jer. Jer. 30:6-9) [emphasis added]

Jeremiah explains the reason the times of the Gentiles will come to an end is so that the nation of Israel will be free to serve God under the Messianic economy of the Millennial Kingdom. It is God’s jealousy over His chosen nation which will bring this about. Woe to the nations who will fail to appreciate God’s zeal for Israel!
‘Therefore do not fear, O My servant Jacob,’ says the LORD, ‘Nor be dismayed, O Israel; for behold, I will save you from afar, and your seed from the land of their captivity. Jacob shall return, have rest and be quiet, and no one shall make him afraid. For I am with you,’ says the LORD, ‘to save you; Though I make a full end of all nations where I have scattered you, yet I will not make a complete end of you. But I will correct you in justice, and will not let you go altogether unpunished.’ (Jer. Jer. 30:10-11) [emphasis added]

The forty-two months correspond to 3 1/2 years of 360-days each. See Prophetic Year.

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If the reconstruction of a Third Jewish Temple is a definitive sign of the beginning of the Tribulation Period, don't you find it strange it wasn't mentioned anywhere in the Olivet Discourse, which dealt "specifically" with the signs of the End Times and the Tribulation Period ??? Like I said, if its not consistent with the Gospel of Christ, it can't be Christian doctrine.

The Message Bible
Matthew 24:15 (MSG) "But be ready to run for it when you see the monster of desecration set up in the Temple sanctuary. The prophet Daniel described this. If you've read Daniel, you'll know what I'm talking about.










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[stephen583]

Thank you Psalm3704 for your lengthy example of fringe "literal" interpretation of Bible Prophecy in your post #135, as well as your earlier post #126 which contains completely irrelevant whacko web-site information, wherein the appearance of a Third Jewish Temple is announced as being imminent, (although if past experience is any teacher, I would caution everyone again, not to hold your breath waiting to see that myth fulfilled). Anyone with any brain in their head knows any "literal" interpretation of Bible Prophecy is doomed to failure and is a total waste of time, as stated by Milton Terry Phd. of Christian Theology.

I predicted this garbage was about to appear in the thread... Do I get any credit for prophesying it ?!

 

[Psalm3704]

I predicted this garbage was about to appear in the thread... Do I get any credit for prophesying it ?!

It's not considered prophecy when you announce something after it happens.

2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 New King James Version (NKJV)
1 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.














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[dfw69]

See, it's pointless trying to convince an "ideologue" he's wrong. It's like hypnotizing someone and suggesting to them they are a commercial airplane pilot, and arguing with them while they are still hypnotized, trying to get them to admit they are not a commercial airline pilot. It's actually pretty hysterical. Lol.

Dfw69. You are one of the people who are going to be caught completely unaware of the Second Coming of Christ, because you are still going to be totally asleep and waiting for the myth of a Third Jewish Temple to be fulfilled, before you'll acknowledge the Tribulation Period has even begun. Good luck with that.

I'm not waiting for a third Jewish temple to appear ... Hope they all repent and we all go to heaven to live in peace

 

[dfw69]

Jesus said, "I leave your house DESOLATE". Any reestablishment of a Third Jewish Temple in Jerusalem would be the equivalent of calling Jesus a "False Prophet". THERE WILL NEVER BE A THIRD JEWISH TEMPLE IN JERUSALEM ! Not now, not during the Tribulation Period, not after the Tribulation Period, Not during any Millennial Reign. NEVER AGAIN !!!

Maybe that is why the final antichrist comes to set up an image of himself in the temple they will build..he will believe he is the temple of God and people should worship him...



The final antichrist may say .."Let us cut off the Jews and Israelites because they are worshiping falsely in their temple worship"...."Their house is left desolate" ..."We are the temple of God" ....."They are cursed people, forsaken of God"..."They have returned to the law and brought curses upon us"..."Come, let us take their land for ourselves"....."We are the children of God".... "Gods spirit is within us"... "God is with us"


and he will gather the nations to mt meggido to wipe the rebellion off the face of the world ...and Israel will cry out to God to rescue them ...

Your doctrine may pave the way for the final antichrist to rise up against Israel's false messianic age..

 

[dfw69]

As much as you passionately believe there will not be another Temple built, there will be one.Lord Jesus Himself alluded to another Temple in the last days.
Matt. 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand: )
There it is literally. If there is not a temple, how will this verse come to pass?

He also said let those in Judea flee to the mountains when the abomination of desolation takes place.. Referring to a geographical location