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Ok, I mentioned that because sometimes a Greek word in question can have it's definition defined by a derivative and when proper use of adjectives and nouns are not applied, you end up with a misunderstanding.
Do you read Greek? I do, who provided the translation of all your quotes? If you had extended me the simple courtesy of actually reading my post you might find that BDAG cited at least 50 historical sources in their definitions. This is one person which certainly does not trump everything else.
Please note even in your cherry picked sources kolasis is punishment NOT correction. It will take more than 2-3 quotes to refute BDAG or other ECF. Sometimes, not always, kolasis does prevent future wrong deeds,. A person who has been punished is often reluctant to commit the same acts they were punished for. But Ben Franklin once said "a man who is convinced against his will is of the same opinion still." There often is no correction in kolasis.
I have answered this question multiple times. Matt 25:46 says eternal life and eternal punishment. The duration of the punishment is equal to the duration of the life. Jesus is quoted as using the word death seventeen times in the gospels. In Matt 25 if Jesus had wanted to mean death in vs. 46 He would have used the word for death, not punishment.
Since you will not address my posts why should I waste time responding to yours?
Wrong as usual! Showing you don’t know the meaning of cherry picked. In my list I reviewed all 69 verses where the Greek word “aionios” occurs in the NT. In 24 verses “aionios” occurred with other adjectives/adjectival phrases which tended to define “aionios” as eternal, everlasting etc. While “aionios” does refer to things which are not “eternal,” it never occurs with other adjectives etc. which define it as a limited period of time.
Hold on you don’t get to just blow off anything that refutes you. If being saved by Jesus was unconditional Jesus would not state any conditions but He does. I think I can say without fear of contradiction virtually everything Jesus said about the afterlife was conditional. See e.g. Matt 25:31-46. Jesus never says that the person on the wrong side of a condition does not have to worry because they will be saved anyway.
How do the unrighteous in the LoF wash their robes? I see nothing about washing of robes in any of the mentions of the lake of fire but I do see torment for ever and ever.
Read Jeremiah 13:9-14 about God accomplishing His will.
Wrong as usual, I denied nothing, I asked for evidence. You did not show that the Jews always understood “aionios” as referring to the millennium kingdom especially when I have proved from 26 verses, 9 of which Jesus, Himself, was speaking, that “aionios” was shown to mean eternal.
The primary meaning of "timoria" is "avenge." Here is a link to the 1957 edition of BAGD, as it was known then, for those who want to know the meaning of Greek words. I started learning to speak Greek working with Greek workers in Germany the year that Elvis and I were there, at different bases. I studied both Hebrew and Greek at the graduate level about 2 decades afterward.
You may have seen enough evidence to convince yourself that your assumptions/presuppositions are correct but you have not presented enough evidence to convince many nonbelievers.
I agree that the punishment is remedial and not forever. Matt 25:46 is probably the bedrock verse for those who subscribe to eternal conscious torment in the lake of fire. What they fail to realize though is that the obvious context of this verse references the Second Coming of Jesus prior to the Millennium as stated in v.31. The nations are those peoples that are still alive at Jesus' return - separated into the goat and sheep nations. This is not the the great white throne judgment, which takes place after the Millennium when the dead are resurrected and judged (Rev 20:13-14). Thus you have people who are alive at Jesus' return being judged versus the resurrected dead being judged at the GWT - two different groups and time periods. That is why aionion cannot mean "eternal" in both clauses of Matt 25:46 because they do not reference eternity. Instead aionion references Jesus' reign on the earth where the sheep populate the Millennial kingdom for an AGE of time - 1,000 years. The same applies for the goats who are commanded to depart into the lake of fire, also for an Age of time - 1,000 years.
Like a broken record, you have merely repeated yourself a few times lacking any substance in your thought processes, not to mention lack of scriptural warrant. I suggest you reference my post #517 and learn something.
Do you read the OT? Do you even read the passage you cited? V.12 states...for I am merciful, declares the LORD; I will not be angry forever.
Baloney. I'm still waiting for your explanation of Matt 25:46 where aionion clearly cannot mean eternal. Do you deny aionion refers to the Millennial Age in the verse? Yes or no? Simple question.
I quoted from the Jewish Encyclopedia itself. You provided no evidence whatsoever to contradict it. Do you deny the Jews were expecting their Messiah to establish an era of peace on the earth with Jesus as their conquering King? Yes or no? Simple question.
Did you not read my previous post to you where I detailed exactly that. I highly suggest you do so and become enlightened.
Your point is well taken but it is critical to understand who the "sheep" are in Matt 25. I do not believe they are believers. I believe they are unbelievers in the nations who still alive at Jesus' return. They are not regenerate believers but because of their good works done unto the brethren, Jesus commends them and consequently allows them to live in the millennium. They are mortals with flesh and blood who repopulate the earth during the millennium. This is contrasted with the believers who are alive at Jesus' return and the saints who are already dead in Christ and are resurrected. All together, the saints rule and reign with Christ over those sheep nations which repopulate the earth during the millennium. Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.
