The fatal flaw of Universalism

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Father's Superior Plan A=

“It is in Him, and through the shedding of His blood, that we have our deliverance–the forgiveness of our offences–so abundant was God’s grace, the grace which He, the possessor of all wisdom and understanding, lavished upon us, when He made known to us the mystery of His will. And this is in harmony with God’s merciful purpose for the government of the world when the times are ripe for it-- the purpose which He has cherished in His own mind of restoring the whole creation to find its one Head in Christ; yes, things in Heaven and things on earth, to find their one Head in Him. And you…”

Inferior plan b=

When in doubt consult Plan A

Dear Charles:

I truly appreciate you drawing us to the fatal flaw (s) of Abba's cherished purpose in the Son of His love the Master Lesous.

 

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Father's Superior Plan A=
“It is in Him, and through the shedding of His blood, that we have our deliverance–the forgiveness of our offences–so abundant was God’s grace, the grace which He, the possessor of all wisdom and understanding, lavished upon us, when He made known to us the mystery of His will. And this is in harmony with God’s merciful purpose for the government of the world when the times are ripe for it-- the purpose which He has cherished in His own mind of restoring the whole creation to find its one Head in Christ; yes, things in Heaven and things on earth, to find their one Head in Him. And you…”
Inferior plan b=
When in doubt consult Plan A
Dear Charles:
I truly appreciate you drawing us to the fatal flaw (s) of Abba's cherished purpose in the Son of His love the Master Lesous.

That is a nice quilt you have patched together from bits and pieces of various verses. Doing that anyone can make the Bible say almost anything they want it to for example "Judas went and hanged himself""go thou and do likewise."

 

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Father's Superior Plan A=

“It is in Him, and through the shedding of His blood, that we have our deliverance–the forgiveness of our offences–so abundant was God’s grace, the grace which He, the possessor of all wisdom and understanding, lavished upon us, when He made known to us the mystery of His will. And this is in harmony with God’s merciful purpose for the government of the world when the times are ripe for it-- the purpose which He has cherished in His own mind of restoring the whole creation to find its one Head in Christ; yes, things in Heaven and things on earth, to find their one Head in Him. And you…”

Justification

“Although God introduced sin through the agency of His creatures, yet He did not sin in so doing. For it was no mistake, no failure of His. It was in accord with His intention, and it will be justified by the beneficial results obtained through its agency. In the brilliant glory of His ultimate the most somber and gloomy features of earth’s history are transformed into a brilliant display of His power and wisdom and love.

During the final eons every creature in the heavens and on the earth and under the earth will have learned of the sufferings of the Christ, and of the depths of the Father’s love revealed in them, and every knee will bow to Him Who died, acclaiming Him Lord, for the glory of God the Father. Thus will all ultimately be justified.” -Donald G. Hayter

Adam1 = "polus made sinners: Last Adam = "polus made righteous"

 

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"Many" does NOT mean "all."
Paul used the word “all” 395 times. When he meant “all” he said “all.” Here are six verses where Paul used “the many” which clearly does not mean all. And six verses from other books which use “the many” which also clearly does not mean all.

Romans 12:5 So we, being many, [οι πολλοι] are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.
1 Corinthians 10:17 For we being [οι πολλοι] many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread.
1 Corinthians 10:33 Even as I please all men in all things, not seeking mine own profit, but the profit of many [των πολλων], that they may be saved.
2 Corinthians 2:17 For we are not as many [οι πολλοι] many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.
2 Corinthians 8:15 As it is written, He that had gathered [το πολυ] much had nothing over; and he that had gathered little had no lack.
Ephesians 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great [την πολλην] love wherewith he loved us,
Matthew 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of [των πολλων] many shall wax cold.
Mark 12:37 David therefore himself calleth him Lord; and whence is he then his son? And the common people [ο πολυς] heard him gladly.
Luke 7:47 Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, [αι πολλαι] are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little.
Acts of the apostles 26:24 And as he thus spake for himself, Festus said with a loud voice, Paul, thou art beside thyself; much [τα πολλα] learning doth make thee mad.
1 Peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant [το πολυ] mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
Revelation 17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great harlot that sitteth upon many [των πολλων] waters:​

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Apokatastasis, as is clear from some passages cited and many others, depends on illumination and instruction, which goes hand in hand with correction.

This is fully consistent with Origen's ethical intellectualism, a Platonic-Socratic and Stoic heritage that is found in other Fathers as well, such as Gregory of Nyssa.

How one behaves depends on what one knows and how one thinks and regards reality; will depends on the intellect and is not an autonomous force.

As a consequence, evil is never chosen qua evil, but because it is mistaken for a good, out of an error of judgment, due to insufficient knowledge and/or obnubilation (e.g., Hom. 1 in Ps. 37.4; Hom. in Ez. 9.1).

Hence the importance of instruction. If one's intellect is illuminated, and achieves the knowledge of the Good, one will certainly adhere to the Good.

Apokatastasis itself, as the end of Book 2 of Περὶ ἀρχῶν, is described as an illumination and a direct vision of the truth, as opposed to the mere 'shadows' that the logika knew beforehand (Origen is reminiscent not only of Plato's Cave myth, but also of 1 Tim 2:4-6, that God wants all humans to reach the knowledge of the truth, and of 1 Cor 13:12 on eventually knowing God 'face to face').

Only with full knowledge is choice really free, and a choice done with full knowledge is a choice for the Good.

A choice for evil is not really free: it results from obnubilation, ignorance, and passion.

This is why Origen was convinced that divine providence will bring all logika to salvation by means of education and rational persuasion, instruction and illumination – or fear of punishments, but only initially, when reason is not yet developed, and not by means of compulsion, since the adhesion to the Good must be free, and to be free it must rest on a purified intellectual sight.

This is why for Origen divine providence will lead all to salvation, but respecting each one's free will; each logikon will freely adhere to God, and to do so each will need its own times, according to its choices and development, so that both divine justice first and then divine grace are saved. (pp. 178-179) -Iliaria Ramelli-

 

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Quoting Origen, and the High priestess of UR, Ilaria Ramelli as scripture.
Let's read some Origen.
Commentary on the Gospel according to John, Books 13—32

Book 13 p. 72 (18) For, as there, the bridegroom leaps upon souls that are more noble-natured and divine, called mountains, and skips upon the inferior ones called hills, so here the fountain that appears in the one who drinks of the water that Jesus gives leaps into eternal life.
(19) And after eternal life, perhaps it will also leap into the Father who is beyond eternal life. For Christ is life; but he who is greater than Christ is greater than life.20[1]
p. 80 (60) And he has explained the statement, “But he shall not thirst forever,” as follows with these very words: For the life he gives is eternal and never perishes, as, indeed, does the first life which comes from the well; the life he gives remains. For the grace and the gift of our Savior is not to be taken away, nor is it consumed, nor does it perish, when one partakes of it.2]
[1][2]Origen. (1993). Commentary on the Gospel according to John Books 13–32. (T. P. Halton, Ed., R. E. Heine, Trans.) (Vol. 89, pp. 72–73). Washington, DC: The Catholic University of America Press.​

 

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The sigh of all sighs =

“Don’t pick on people, jump on their failures, criticize their faults—unless, of course, you want the same treatment. That critical spirit has a way of boomeranging. It’s easy to see a smudge on your neighbor’s face and be oblivious to the ugly sneer on your own. Do you have the nerve to say, ‘Let me wash your face for you,’ when your own face is distorted by contempt? It’s this whole traveling road-show mentality all over again, playing a holier-than-thou part instead of just living your part. Wipe that ugly sneer off your own face, and you might be fit to offer a washcloth to your neighbor.

“Don’t be flip with the sacred. Banter and silliness give no honor to God. Don’t reduce holy mysteries to slogans. In trying to be relevant, you’re only being cute and inviting sacrilege.

“Don’t bargain with God. Be direct. Ask for what you need. This isn’t a cat-and-mouse, hide-and-seek game we’re in. If your child asks for bread, do you trick him with sawdust? If he asks for fish, do you scare him with a live snake on his plate? As bad as you are, you wouldn’t think of such a thing. You’re at least decent to your own children. So don’t you think the God who conceived you in love will be even better?

“Here is a simple, rule-of-thumb guide for behavior: Ask yourself what you want people to do for you, then grab the initiative and do it for them. Add up God’s Law and Prophets and this is what you get.

“Don’t look for shortcuts to God. The market is flooded with surefire, easygoing formulas for a successful life that can be practiced in your spare time. Don’t fall for that stuff, even though crowds of people do. The way to life—to God!—is vigorous and requires total attention.

“Be wary of false preachers who smile a lot, dripping with practiced sincerity. Chances are they are out to rip you off some way or other. Don’t be impressed with charisma; look for character. Who preachers are is the main thing, not what they say. A genuine leader will never exploit your emotions or your pocketbook. These diseased trees with their bad apples are going to be chopped down and burned.

“Knowing the correct password—saying ‘Master, Master,’ for instance—isn’t going to get you anywhere with me.

What is required is serious obedience—doing what my Father wills. I can see it now—at the Final Judgment thousands strutting up to me and saying, ‘Master, we preached the Message, we bashed the demons, our God-sponsored projects had everyone talking.’ And do you know what I am going to say?

‘You missed the boat. All you did was use me to make yourselves important. You don’t impress me one bit. You’re out of here.’

“These words I speak to you are not incidental additions to your life, homeowner improvements to your standard of living. They are foundational words, words to build a life on. If you work these words into your life, you are like a smart carpenter who built his house on solid rock. Rain poured down, the river flooded, a tornado hit—but nothing moved that house. It was fixed to the rock.

“But if you just use my words in Bible studies and don’t work them into your life, you are like a stupid carpenter who built his house on the sandy beach. When a storm rolled in and the waves came up, it collapsed like a house of cards.” -MSG-