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Charlie 13:13
Forever means forever, everlasting means everlasting, eternal means eternal. And he who believes otherwise is not wise.
Where? Easy. The lake of fire. Your view dictates that the LOF is for the purpose of eternal punishment. Eternal punishment serves as the justice that is meted out by God for people whose sins are not atoned for by the blood. If punishment was the end result of God's justice then I would certainly agree with you as nothing beats the LOF when it comes to punishment. However the pertinent question is, does the LOF serve for the purpose of punishment or for something else? I submit that the LOF serves not for the purpose of punishment of mankind but for something else - namely the reconciliation of mankind to God.Please explain to me how this "Choosing to sin has consequences though such as ending up in the lake of fire." gets "to every knee shall bow in heaven, on the earth, under the earth and confess that Jesus is Lord" and this gets to loving and serving God? Where and how does this complete change in personality occur? Some scripture would helpful.
Apparently you don't even recognize that aidios and aionios are two different words serving different purposes.The entire spectrum of the power, reign, glory and kingdom of the Aidios God is NOT on the foundation of age or ages, NOT!
Paul used them as synonyms.Apparently you don't even recognize that aidios and aionios are two different words serving different purposes.
But you cannot provide even one verse in Revelation which states that anyone will be purified and released from the LoF and filled with love etc. for God, who punished them.Where? Easy. The lake of fire. Your view dictates that the LOF is for the purpose of eternal punishment. Eternal punishment serves as the justice that is meted out by God for people whose sins are not atoned for by the blood. If punishment was the end result of God's justice then I would certainly agree with you as nothing beats the LOF when it comes to punishment. However the pertinent question is, does the LOF serve for the purpose of punishment or for something else? I submit that the LOF serves not for the purpose of punishment of mankind but for something else - namely the reconciliation of mankind to God.
And the Uni view either completely ignores Revelation or tries to make it say something it does not say.If we examine Col 1:20 we find a succinct statement where God declares the mission statement of his beloved Son: and by Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace by the blood of His cross through Him, whether the things on the earth or the things in the heavens.
In your ECT view, no one in the LOF is ever reconciled to God but instead are punished forever. Same thing for the annihilationist view as those in the LOF are extinguished but are never reconciled with God. Only the Universalist view squares with Col 1:20 whereby the LOF is a place of chastening for the purpose of correction and ultimately reconciliation with God.
Incorrect. In the former God's power is aidios/eternal. In the latter aionios cannot mean eternal because if you bothered to note the very verse before it, v.25 states "...the mystery which was concealed from times eternal αἰώνιος." It is impossible for aiōniois to mean eternal in this verse because a mystery which is ETERNAL can never be revealed and will always be concealed. Thus the only proper way to translate aiōniois in v.25 is "...the mystery which was concealed for LONG AGES αἰώνιος" -not eternal - which is in agreement with many English translations.Paul used them as synonyms.
Romans 1:20In Rom 1:20 Paul refers to God’s power and Godhead as “aidios.” Scholars agree “aidios” unquestionably means eternal, everlasting, unending etc. In Rom 16:26, Paul, the same writer, in the same writing, refers to God as “aionios.” Paul has used “aidios” synonymous with “aionios.” In this verse by definition “aionios” means eternal, everlasting.
(20) For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal [ἀΐ́διος/aidios] power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Romans 16:26
(26) But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting [αἰώνιος/aionios] God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
Apparently you don't even recognize that aidios and aionios are two different words serving different purposes.
I had seen that video previously but had forgotten his name.
It was really good. He's a character. Great insights.
I appreciate this fanciful interpretation but it doesn't really address my post. But the passage says nothing about "holy fire."
Doesn't really address my post.
But for the fact that Paul is not talking about all mankind in 1 Cor 3:9-17, he is only talking to and about those who are"laborers together with God, ... God's husbandry, ... God's building." Vs.9 Who builds on the foundation of Jesus Jesus Christ. vs. 10."
And this passage says nothing about purifying anyone. only the work is tried by fire not people.
In this passage “every man, “any man,”"no man" refers only to those described in vss. 9-10, not all man kind.
And we know this because in vs. 17 God will destroy any man who defiles the temple of God, NOT save them.
1 Corinthians 3:9-17
(9) For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.
(10) According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
(11) For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
(12) Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
(13) Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
(14) If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
(15) If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
(16) Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
(17) If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
Wow. I like Restorationism as a replacement for Universalism. I wonder what the objections from the other side would be with that term. ??? This is such a pioneering work. We even get to name it. - lolHe has a certain intellectual largesse lol.
Interesting point I thought when he postulated the god of Calvinism as far more malevolent than the devil! Next time I see a satanist, might tell them they're playing in the little league and should consider upgrading to 'the larger hopelessness' of Calvinism.
By the way, what do you think of the Christian eschatology categories as annihilationism, damnationism and restorationism (fits better than universalism I suggest)?
Wow. I like Restorationism as a replacement for Universalism. I wonder what the objections from the other side would be with that term. ??? This is such a pioneering work. We even get to name it. - lol
As you don't know what the unforgivable sin is, you're left in the dark feeling around the elephant trying to put humpty dumpty back together using only a grammatical form that's been translated and removed from its cultural idiom.
What if Jesus is simply saying something akin to 'As long as you keep eating meat you'll never be a vegetarian'. You won't be able to access forgiveness as long as you keep blaming ppl for stuff. He's referring to attitudes that fall short of the beatitudes, and the consequences. It's like stoics - by insisting on being strong all the time they deny themselves anything but guilt and shame for their weakness. A hard heart can't experience forgiveness.
It's not a video game mate. This is real, you have to be born again to see the kingdom of heaven.
We could create a calendar and change terms every week. Imagine the catch with that bait. - lolThere are a number of words that hold some lustre for the Restitution of the all.
We could create a calendar and change terms every week. Imagine the catch with that bait. - lol
John 21:6
He said, “Throw your net on the right side of the boat and you will find some.” When they did, they were unable to haul the net in because of the large number of fish.
I would also add that no one knows for sure what blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is. Many claim to but it’s only based on their own assumption because Jesus never said exactly what it is.
You are correct to note that there is no consensus on this. I would blame Cessationism. However, it was quite clear to me what he meant. The bold statement below is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Attributing the work of God to Satan. IMHOI would also add that no one knows for sure what blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is. Many claim to but it’s only based on their own assumption because Jesus never said exactly what it is.
No wonder they accuse us of casting about. - lolI've been using that scripture in defence of Biblical flat earth apologetics lol. But why not? Damnation to port (fried fish there), restoration to starboard.
No wonder they accuse us of casting about. - lol
You are correct to note that there is no consensus on this. I would blame Cessationism. However, it was quite clear to me what he meant. The bold statement below is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Attributing the work of God to Satan. IMHO
Matthew 12:24-28
But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, “It is only by Beelzebul, the prince of demons, that this fellow drives out demons.”
25 Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand. 26 If Satan drives out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then can his kingdom stand? 27 And if I drive out demons by Beelzebul, by whom do your people drive them out? So then, they will be your judges. 28 But if it is by the Spirit of God that I drive out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
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