THE FALSE TEACHINGS OF UNIVERSALISM - BEWARE!

[FineLinen]

No, my eyes have been open this whole time thank you. I am earnestly and humbly studying the word of God every day and I truly believe that this is a revelation from Him. I have only recently adopted the doctrine of Universalism after LONG, DILIGENT consideration, but there are MANY who have come before me (including many early Christians, theologians, and philosophers).

We are not choosing the feel good teachings of men. We are choosing the feel good teachings of God. After all, it is the GOOD NEWS. How is the annihilation of God's good creation which you so readily embrace "good news"?

This is what must transpire in every individual who comes into Abba must experience. The revelation of the Restitution of the all is a musterion "mystery" disclosed by Him in His good time & place.

The musterion line of those initiated reaches across centuries, including glorious individuals whose lives are a testament to the long suffering love & patience of our glorious Father.

The ONLY good news of the Author & Finisher is one that ends where it began: In Him!

Source of ta pavnte, Guide of ta pavnte, Goal of ta pavnte.

 

[mmksparbud]

Yes. God does not need my permission for anything.
I believe God will keep His word.
"Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth." (1 Timothy 2:4)

Welcome back!

Good. Most universalists says if He should do that---He would be a monster. He certainly is not going to have anyone who thinks He is a monster for keeping His word to be in His kingdom.

Yes, His death gave everyone that privilege---He also knew from the very beginning, before the foundation of the world, that many would reject it. God has never forced anyone to choose Him. And He will not do that through the use of the lake of fire. It is not a washing machine. His blood is the one and only way to be cleansed of sin---There is no pain severe enough, no self-purge strong enough to wipe away one sin. Only through Jesus Christ is any sin cleansed and forgiven. The lake of fire was never intended as a bath for sinner but for their destruction.
Through all this there has been no verse that states anyone comes out of the lake of fire unto life eternal with Jesus. It has only been read into with considerable twisting of the context of scripture. If you truly feel that God has the right to do as He has said He will do and have all the wicked be destroyed in the lake of fire and be ashes under everyone's feet and have the new earth placed over those ashes----why are you still trying to tell people that He will absolutely not do what He says He will do? That God will allow the very filthiest of unrepentant sinners walk out of the lake of fire even though no scripture says that? Do you really not understand that you are leading many to take the word of God very lightly---that they need not worry about overcoming sin, that they not be reflect the very character of God---none is needed to enter the kingdom of God? Do you not understand you will be held responsible for that?
Read Eze 33 very carefully:

Eze 33:2 Son of man, speak to the children of thy people, and say unto them, When I bring the sword upon a land, if the people of the land take a man of their coasts, and set him for their watchman:
Eze 33:3 If when he seeth the sword come upon the land, he blow the trumpet, and warn the people;
Eze 33:4 Then whosoever heareth the sound of the trumpet, and taketh not warning; if the sword come, and take him away, his blood shall be upon his own head.
Eze 33:5 He heard the sound of the trumpet, and took not warning; his blood shall be upon him. But he that taketh warning shall deliver his soul.
Eze 33:6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.


Not only is Uni. not telling the truth of what God is going to do, they are leading others to disregard the truth of what God is going to do. You are in essence delivering people into the lake of fire----from which they do not come out of. One thing to jump in yourself, but to deliberately throw others into it is even worse.
Before the Jews were lead into captivity, God told His prophets it would happen, and that there would those killed if they did not obey Him. The false prophets all stood up and declared that the prophets of God were not telling the truth and that God would not allow His people to be killed nor taken into captivity. God simply loved them too much to do that! They even put His true prophets in prison for speaking the words of God. In the end, He did indeed have His people killed and led captive.

 

[agapelove]

He also knew from the very beginning, before the foundation of the world, that many would reject it. God has never forced anyone to choose Him. And He will not do that through the use of the lake of fire. It is not a washing machine.

We are not saying God will force people to choose Him. We are saying that his patience will endure until all men do. There will come a point where all men have found the desire within themselves to bow the knee.

Through all this there has been no verse that states anyone comes out of the lake of fire unto life eternal with Jesus. It has only been read into with considerable twisting of the context of scripture.

You are right to say there are no explicit verses but there are many which point to the ultimate restoration of the cosmos. There are also many which point to destruction. There are also many that point to eternal punishment. I choose to believe that Universalism has a stronger scriptural backing than the position of destruction or eternal damnation.

If you truly feel that God has the right to do as He has said He will do and have all the wicked be destroyed in the lake of fire and be ashes under everyone's feet and have the new earth placed over those ashes----why are you still trying to tell people that He will absolutely not do what He says He will do? That God will allow the very filthiest of unrepentant sinners walk out of the lake of fire even though no scripture says that? Do you really not understand that you are leading many to take the word of God very lightly---that they need not worry about overcoming sin, that they not be reflect the very character of God---none is needed to enter the kingdom of God? Do you not understand you will be held responsible for that?

If people are looking for a free pass to sin they do not need Universalism to allow it. In our free will we already have the freedom to choose good or evil. I am not responsible for anyone's actions but my own.

Universalism rather EXPOSES the faith foundation that many Christians have built upon FEAR. If your reason for believing is so that Jesus can be insurance against hellfire than then what will happen when perfect love comes to cast out your fear? (1 John 4:18) Fear based faith is the ultimate deception.

 

[mmksparbud]

We are not saying God will force people to choose Him. We are saying that his patience will endure until all men do. There will come a point where all men have found the desire within themselves to bow the knee.

That is what you all keep saying---How is it not force? You claim they go into the lake of fire---fire is fire--it hurts, even a tiny little burn hurts --like hell! You say they stay there until they repent---But they are there be cause they did not repent---0they died in their sins, they are in the lake of fire because they refused to repent even after they are resurrectred after they 2nd resurrection and they gathered together to try and take the city by force---that is not repentance!
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

How can you be thrown into the lake of fire to repent when the lake of fire is the fire from God sent to devour them for not repenting??

 

[agapelove]

This is what must transpire in every individual who comes into Abba must experience. The revelation of the Restitution of the all is a musterion "mystery" disclosed by Him in His good time & place.

The musterion line of those initiated reaches across centuries, including glorious individuals whose lives are a testament to the long suffering love & patience of our glorious Father.

The ONLY good news of the Author & Finisher is one that ends where it began: In Him!

Source of ta pavnte, Guide of ta pavnte, Goal of ta pavnte.

Amen!

"It is love that has brought me to this awareness, love that brought me into a complete trust in Him, a trust that God who made us could never abandon us. Despite the Church's curse, there is no one so lost that the eternal love cannot return - as long as hope shows something green!"
--Dante, Purgatorio, Canto III

 

[FineLinen]

The Lamb of God loses nothing.

He is the One with "un" before the word limited.

The apostle John declares the Lamb takes away the sin of the world, not some of the world, the whole ungodly world. His at-one-ment encompasses the radical all of pas.

"He is the at-one-ment for our sins"

AND

"not our sins ONLY"

BUT

"the sins of the whole world."

 

[mmksparbud]

If people are looking for a free pass to sin they do not need Universalism to allow it. In our free will we already have the freedom to choose good or evil. I am not responsible for anyone's actions but my own.

That is not what scripture says. You are saying the opposite of the scripture I quoted to you.
Eze_3:18 When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.
Eze_3:20 Again, When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumblingblock before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand.

If we have no affect on others, why did Jesus tell us to spread His message? Why has God said what He did In Eze if it doesn't matter?

 

[mmksparbud]

You are right to say there are no explicit verses but there are many which point to the ultimate restoration of the cosmos. There are also many which point to destruction. There are also many that point to eternal punishment. I choose to believe that Universalism has a stronger scriptural backing than the position of destruction or eternal damnation.

But they only lead to Uni. if you ignore all those that lead to annihilation or damnation!

 

[mmksparbud]

Universalism rather EXPOSES the faith foundation that many Christians have built upon FEAR. If your reason for believing is so that Jesus can be insurance against hellfire than then what will happen when perfect love comes to cast out your fear? (1 John 4:18) Fear based faith is the ultimate deception.

What fear? Did you forget "Perfect love casts out fear." Love is what God sees. Fear of hell fire is not love. Repentance from being in a torturous fire is not repentance nor love. Repentance from pain is like the Inquisition---it is not out of love and always brings resentment and anger and hate. I have no fear of hell fire---I am saved by the blood of Jesus and I love to do His will. There is no hell fire to fear for those who love the Lord and love to do His will. We have no need of anything but the blood of Jesus. That is perfect love and we get it before we die for when we awake---it is to see the face of Jesus. Without that blood covering us---His face is a fire and brilliance that immediately destroys us.

 

[agapelove]

Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

How can you be thrown into the lake of fire to repent when the lake of fire is the fire from God sent to devour them for not repenting??

It is indeed the same fire.
Revelation 20:9 "But fire came down from heaven and devoured them. 10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown."

Your definition of repenting seems fleeting. It is not simply "Okay fine I repent" but rather a process that the Holy Spirit takes you through.

If we have no affect on others, why did Jesus tell us to spread His message? Why has God said what He did In Eze if it doesn't matter?

So why aren't all Christians full time missionaries? If you believe what you say, then the subject should be much more pressing to you. Are you responsible for the millions of people who have not yet accessed the message of Christ?

 

[a-lily-of-peace]

All Christians are missionaries.

If the foot should say, “Because I am not a hand, I am not of the body,” is it therefore not of the body? And if the ear should say, “Because I am not an eye, I am not of the body,” is it therefore not of the body? If the whole body were an eye, where would be the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where would be the smelling? But now God has set the members, each one of them, in the body just as He pleased. And if they were all one member, where would the body be? (1 Corinthians 12:15-19, NKJV)

 

[agapelove]

But they only lead to Uni. if you ignore all those that lead to annihilation or damnation!

I would say you are doing the same!

I have stated my opinions on the verses that LovesGodsWord has referenced many times. I am not ignoring them. I see them plainly and I address them (you can refer to my previous posts.)

What fear? Did you forget "Perfect love casts out fear." Love is what God sees. Fear of hell fire is not love. Repentance from being in a torturous fire is not repentance nor love. Repentance from pain is like the Inquisition---it is not out of love and always brings resentment and anger and hate. I have no fear of hell fire---I am saved by the blood of Jesus and I love to do His will. There is no hell fire to fear for those who love the Lord and love to do His will. We have no need of anything but the blood of Jesus. That is perfect love and we get it before we die for when we awake---it is to see the face of Jesus. Without that blood covering us---His face is a fire and brilliance that immediately destroys us.

If hellfire did not exist, would you still follow Christ?

The answer is of course YES! Why do you assume the same is not true for people hearing the gospel for the first time?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

If that's the case then why does the kjv translate the same root word as 'washed' in the same exact context applied to overcomers?

And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. (Rev 7:14)

Strong's Greek: 4150. πλύνω (plunó) -- to wash

Can we say that God will institute a Plunocracy for a time?

And if it's not too much trouble, pithy, terse and/or logical answers are greatly appreciated.

It depends on what Greek manuscripts are being used. The KJV uses the Textus Receptus while most of the modern versions use NA/UBS in the earlier case on REVELATION 22:14 there is differences between the two Greek manuscripts (more detail here). The tranlsation of the individual words are also dependent on the surrounding word contexts to which they are applied. In the case or REVELATION 7:14 application to πλύνω (plunó) or to wash is to μεγάλης καὶ ἔπλυναν τὰς στολὰς which is the surrounding scripture context to eplynan (they have washed). This agrees however in both the Textus Receptus and the NA/UBS manuscripts as seen in nearly every parallel translations linked.

 

[agapelove]

All Christians are missionaries.

Well we are doing a poor job.

At this rate it seems many people will be annihilated when the time comes.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

You are essentially sharing 3 definitions that mean the same thing? Is "punishment" not the same thing as "penalty"? How are these actually different definitions in hindsight? Can "punishment" not be corrective? Why do some parents punish their children when they do something wrong? Therefore your argument that the definition changes with the context is invalid...

I am aware that there are some Greek words that carry different meanings but this is not one of them.

Not really dear sister. Punishment is not the same as correction. I can correct somone without giving them punishment. The punishment for the unrepentant Wicked at the second coming is outlined in the context of MATTHEW 25:46 which is provided in MATTHEW 25:41 which is everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels.

You are adding words to the scripture now. Many of the passages I shared clearly state All. Period. Not "all who repent before they die". If this is pre-second-coming then the saints have not yet been separated from the wicked. I interpret it as ALL = The Wicked + The Saints. Also you still have not addressed the word "forever"?

Nonsense. What words did I add to scripture? Be specific and lets talk detail. Prove to me that I added to the scriptures. I did not add anything. I simply pointed out from the scriptures what your not seeing. Your being vague now because you do not want me to examine your claims. Everything you have posted so far has proven to be unbiblical and not relevant to my claims with you that the the scriptures teach that the unrepentant wicked do not receive everlasting life after the second coming but the second death in the lake of fire prepared for the devil and his Angels.

You keep copy and pasting the same passages but I have literally addressed why I see them as insufficient. I do not apply the word "destroyed" to the people, I apply them to the wickedness inside them.

HEBREWS 10:26-31; MATTHEW 25:31-41; 2 THESSALONIANS 1:6-10; MATTHEW 7:13-27; REVELATION 21:8; REVELATION 22:11-12 an other scriptures have been shared with you that state that the unrepentant wicked are destroyed, perished receive the second death in the lake of fire at the second coming. There are no more second chances. The scriptures teach no where that wickedness inside the unrepentant wicked is destroyed and unrepentant wicked do not receive the second death, come out of the lake of fire and receive everlasting life. Your adding to the scriptures and the book of Revelation which is not written. I have already asked you for scripture to prove your claims. You stated you have none. What right then have you to reject God's Word? - None. I suggest you read REVELATION 22:18-19.

No, my eyes have been open this whole time thank you. I am earnestly and humbly studying the word of God every day and I truly believe that this is a revelation from Him. I have only recently adopted the doctrine of Universalism after LONG, DILIGENT consideration, but there are MANY who have come before me (including many early Christians, theologians, and philosophers).

Yet here you are having no scripture to support your believe? Does this not worry you? It should and it is the scriptures that open blind eyes why do you not believe; REVELATION 21:7-8; REVELATION 21:7; HEBREWS 10:26-31; MATTHEW 25:31-41; 2 THESSALONIANS 1:6-10; MATTHEW 7:13-27; REVELATION 21:8; REVELATION 22:11-12; REVELATION 22:14-15 which all show that the unrepentant wicked receive the second death in the lake of fire at the second coming? Clearly you do not have scripture to support your view. You even admit to this. Universalism is not biblical and a doctrine of devils that lead many to think they can live like the devil today gamble with the lady of second chances tomorrow. This is not biblical as you already know.

We are not choosing the feel good teachings of men. We are choosing the feel good teachings of God. After all, it is the GOOD NEWS. How is the annihilation of God's good creation which you so readily embrace "good news"?

According to the scriptures, all things are made new after the second coming with a new heavens and a new earth. The unrepentant wicked receive the second death because they reject the gift of God's dear son and count the blood of the covenant and unholy thing. There no mercy for those who reject God and his Word only God's vengence for for the unrepentant wicked for which it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Yet here you are posting the teachings of a man named Thayer. So it's okay for you to do it, but not for others? Double standard? Do as i say, not as i do? As i said, Thayer does not support your viewpoint

Nonsense. Do you know what a LEXICON is dear friend? A lexicon is a dictionary, especially of Greek, Hebrew, Syriac, or Arabic language. I provide a Greek dictionaries meaning of destroy. Now this is one disctionary I looked also at many others which all consistantly have the same meanings as Thayer. You can cross reference definitions provided by Thayer with The Easton's Bible Dictionary, The Pocket Lexicon to the Greek New Testament (PLGNT) and A Concise Dictionary of the Greek Greek New Testament and the Hebrew Bible (CDWGTHB).

So you have a total of four different Greek dictionaries all saying the same thing. That is Destroy G5351 φθείρω phtheirō means PUNISH WITH DEATH, TO BE DESTROYED AND PERISH. This agrees with the scriptures already posted to you that show what happens to the unrepentant wicked at the second coming as shown in HEBREWS 10:26-31; MATTHEW 25:31-41; 2 THESSALONIANS 1:6-10; MATTHEW 7:13-27.

Now your turn, please show me the scriptures that say THE WICKED ARE NOT DESTROYED AND ENTER INTO GOD'S KINGDOM WHO ARE STILL WICKED AFTER THE SECOND COMING? If you have no scripture to support your view does this not worry you that your presenting a different gospel to the one JESUS shared? If not why not?

You either have scripture for your position or you do not. I am guessing from your response that you do not. Look forward to your response this time. I think you have run out of excuses now. Geeesh, if you have no scripture be honest alrady and just say so.

Rom 5:18 Consequently, then, as it was through one offense for ALL MANKIND for condemnation, thus also it is through one just act for ALL MANKIND for life's justifying."

Yep the BLOOD of JESUS is all sufficient for all mankind. Note that it does not say all mankind will accept God's Gift of Grace through the blood of JESUS. The BLOOD of JESUS is what justifies the sinner to satisfay Gods' justice and judgements but we are told in the scriptures many will reject the gift of Gods dear son and count the blood of the covenant an unholy thing *HEBREWS 10:26-31. Does the scripture claim what you are claiming that the unrepentant wicked at the second coming will be saved? - Nope.

Rom 5:19 For even as, through the disobedience of the one man, THE MANY were constituted sinners, thus also, through the obedience of the One, THE MANY shall be constituted just."

Yep did you notice the "MANY" does not mean the "ALL"? Again did you know that the "MANY" are the "JUST"? Yep the "JUST" are those who accept the gift of God's dear son. The "JUST" are not the unrepentant wicked at the second coming that receive the second death and are destroyed *REVELATION 21:7-8; REVELATION 21:7; HEBREWS 10:26-31; MATTHEW 25:31-41; 2 THESSALONIANS 1:6-10; MATTHEW 7:13-27; REVELATION 21:8; REVELATION 22:11-12; REVELATION 22:14-15. Does the scripture claim what you are claiming that the unrepentant wicked at the second coming will be saved? - Nope.

1 Cor.15:22 AS in Adam ALL die SO ALSO in Christ shall ALL be made alive.

Yep did you notice who those are are that are made alive? Those "IN CHRIST" are made alive. Who are those "IN CHRIST" that have been made alive? Yep "BELIEVERS" those who accept JESUS as their Saviour and accept the gift of God's dear son through faith see EPHESIANS 2:8; JUDE 1:1; 2 JOHN 1:7-9; 1 PETER 5:14; 2 TIMOTHY 3:16; 2 TIMOTHY 3:12; 2:1 etc etc). Does the scripture claim what you are claiming that the unrepentant wicked at the second coming will be saved? - Nope.

1 Cor.15:28 And when ALL shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put ALL under him, that God may be all in ALL.

Yep so what does ALL SHALL BE SUBDUED UNDER HIM? It means all power in Heaven and Earth is given to JESUS the context is to JESUS being the first fruits from the dead and MANY that are IN CHRIST being saved *1 CORINTHIANS 15:22-28. The scriptures as shown in vease 22 (IN CHRIST - BELIEVERS) do not say that the unrepentant wicked at the second coming will be saved.

Col.1:16 For by Him ***ALL*** was created that are in HEAVEN and that are on EARTH, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All was created through Him and for Him.

20 and by Him to reconcile ***ALL*** to Himself, by Him, whether on EARTH or in HEAVEN, having made peace through the blood of His cross.[/QUOTE]
Yep key verse is tha there is PEACE by the BLOOD OF HIS CROSS. Not all men accept it right? The reconcile ALL THINGS unto himself is in context to those who accept the BLOOD OF HIS CROSS. Many will not choose the BLOOD OF HIS CROSS to be RECONCILED. Does the scripture claim what you are claiming that the unrepentant wicked at the second coming will be saved? - Nope.

Examples of aionios as a finite duration in Koine Greek: Two Questions
Does aionios always mean eternal in ancient Koine Greek? (paradise, Gospel, hell) - Christianity - - City-Data Forum If Jesus wished to express endless punishment, then He would have used expressions such as "endless", "no end" & "never be saved" as per:

How Scripture expresses endless duration (not aion/ios) (paradise, hell, punishment) - Christianity - - City-Data Forum Jesus didn't use the best words & expressions to describe endlessness in regards to punishment, because He didn't believe in endless punishment.
ENDLESSNESS not applied to eschatological PUNISHMENT in Scripture:
could an 'eternal punishment' simply mean that once instituted it will not change?

12 points re forever and ever (literally to/into "the ages of the ages") being finite:
For the Lord will NOT cast off FOR EVER:

Hmm I do not believe in endless punishment. The cut and paste is relevant how?

Hope this helps.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Augustine's ignorance & error re Matthew 25:46

Matthew 7:21-23
could an 'eternal punishment' simply mean that once instituted it will not change?
If endless conscious torments were true, is God a monster?

Heb.10:26-27:
If endless conscious torments were true, is God a monster?
The Restitution Of All Things A.K.A. Universalism



And all have been answered here before, some dozens of times, as a search via the search engine here will prove for those who are actually interested in learning about universalism. Here i'll just address this one for now:



2 Thess.1:[9], WHO SHALL BE PUNISHED WITH EVERLASTING DESTRUCTION FROM THE PRESENCE OF THE LORD, AND FROM THE GLORY OF HIS POWER;

What's the difference between destruction and everlasting destruction?

The Greek word aionios, erroneously translated above as "everlasting", is the same Greek word that is often deceptively translated as eternal or everlasting at Mt.25:46.

Examples of aionios as a finite duration in Koine Greek:

Two Questions

2 Thess.1:9 is not a difficult text to reconcile with the Scriptural teaching of universal reconciliation(UR). Simply put it speaks of an indefinite duration (=aionias,
often deceptively rendered eternal/everlasting) of destruction.

Therefore, whatever you understand by the word "destruction" - whether death, annihilation or ruin - the text is perfectly harmonious with UR passages of the Bible.
Problem solved. Now you can rejoice in the Good News!

2Thess.1:9 Who, indeed, a penalty, shall pay—age-abiding destruction from the face of the Lord and from the glory of his might— (Rotherham)

9 who shall incur the justice of eonian extermination from the face of the Lord, and from the glory of His strength" (CLNT)

who shall suffer justice -- destruction age-during -- from the face of the Lord, and from the glory of his strength, (2 Thess 1:9, YLT)

A recent new translation by EO scholar David Bentley Hart reads: "Who shall pay the just reparation of ruin in the Age, coming from the face of the Lord and the glory of his might" (A Translation: The New Testament, 2017, Yale University Press).

A Greek lexicon at the following url states re the Greek word olethron ("destruction") at 2 Thess.1:9:

"...Hierocles 14, 451b has the thought that the soul of the sinner in Hades is purified by the tortures of hell, and is saved thereby..."

Перевод ὄλεθρος с греческого на все языки

As does p.702 of "A Greek–English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature, 3rd ed. (BDAG)":

A Greek–English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature, 3rd ed. (BDAG)
https://www.amazon.ca/Greek-English-Lexicon-Testament-Christian-Literature/dp/0226039331

Compare that above statement to:

"In Ancient Greek mythology, Olethros was the personification of Havoc and probably one of the Makhai. Olethros translates roughly in ancient Greek to "destruction", but often with a positive connotation, as in the destruction required for and preceding renewal."

Here we see "destruction" is for the good of the person:

... deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. (1Cor 5:5). He who is finding his soul will be destroying it, and he who destroys his soul on My account will be finding it. (Mt.10:39)

Here we see destruction was temporary:

Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days." (Jn.2:19)



Lamentations 3:22 and 3:31-33, The steadfast love of the Lord NEVER ceases, his mercies NEVER come to an end. . . .
Lam.3:31 For the Lord will NOT cast off FOR EVER:
32 For if He causes grief, Then He will have compassion According to His abundant lovingkindness. 33 For He does not afflict willingly Or grieve the SONS OF MEN.…

Rom 5:18 Consequently, then, as it was through one offense for ALL MANKIND for condemnation, thus also it is through one just act for ALL MANKIND for life's justifying."

Rom 5:19 For even as, through the disobedience of the one man, THE MANY were constituted sinners, thus also, through the obedience of the One, THE MANY shall be constituted just."

Paul makes a parallel between "the many" who were condemned & sinners and those who will be justified & constituted just.

“In Romans 5, the justification is co-extensive with the condemnation. Since all share in one, all share in the other. If only a certain portion of the human race had partaken of the sin of Adam, only a certain portion would partake of the justification of Christ. But St. Paul affirms all to have been involved in one, and all to be included in the other.”

Therefore there is salvation after death. And corrective punishment.

Jesus shall see of the travail of His soul & be satisfied. Not satisfied a little bit, but the vast majority fried alive forever.

"He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities." (Isa.53:11).

For how "many" (not few) did He "bear their iniquities"? All.

1 Cor.15:22 AS in Adam ALL die SO ALSO in Christ shall ALL be made alive.

1 Cor.15:28 And when ALL shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put ALL under him, that God may be all in ALL.

Col.1:16 For by Him ***ALL*** was created that are in HEAVEN and that are on EARTH, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All was created through Him and for Him.
20 and by Him to reconcile ***ALL*** to Himself, by Him, whether on EARTH or in HEAVEN, having made peace through the blood of His cross.

Fortunately no "eternal death" ever appears in the Sacred Scriptures (66 books of the Bible). To the contrary, death will be abolished (1 Cor.15:26).

"Just as surely as the abolition of slavery entails freedom for those formerly enslaved, the abolition of death entails life for those formerly dead."

1 Cor.3:12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; 13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

This is just a cut and paste repitition of the last one that was addressed. See my last post to you. Accept for the Augustine stuff which is not relevant to me as I do not believe in eternal hell.

Hope this helps.

 

[a-lily-of-peace]

Well we are doing a poor job.

At this rate it seems many people will be annihilated when the time comes.

Who are you to judge another’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand. (Romans 14:4, NKJV)

 

[LoveGodsWord]

The Lamb of God loses nothing.

He is the One with "un" before the word limited.

The apostle John declares the Lamb takes away the sin of the world, not some of the world, the whole ungodly world. His at-one-ment encompasses the radical all of pas.

"He is the at-one-ment for our sins"

AND

"not our sins ONLY"

BUT

"the sins of the whole world."

Amen dear FINE. JESUS loses none that are his. Where you are confused though dear friend is that the unrepentant wicked are not his they are the children of the devil *1 JOHN 3:9-10. Known unrepentant sin is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil.

 

[agapelove]

Who are you to judge another’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand. (Romans 14:4, NKJV)

I am not judging anyone? I am simply making an observation.

God is able to make him stand. (Romans 14:4) Agreed.