THE FALSE TEACHINGS OF UNIVERSALISM - BEWARE!

[Shrewd Manager]

No,

Washing of the robes would be instant..

Well, isn't 'instant' a temporal concept?

I presume nothing when it comes to the torment of souls... nor do I state "maybe's"

And for eternal bliss, a corollary instant je ne sais quoi?

Once all is done..at the judgement..Even death is ended..... so, there is no evidence for souls popping into heaven after a certain amount of torment for their individual allotment of time.

Those lonely Pearly Gates, open all the livelong day with nobody coming in or going out.

 

[mmksparbud]

There may be no time in eternity, but does a person experience time in eternity? If there are processes going on - such as the washing of robes, or the tormenting of flesh - one would presume so, unless maybe its a Sisyphean labour...condemned to wash and wash, without the stains ever being removed...still you'd become pretty good at it after a while, no?

Our robes are washed at the time we accept Jesus. We are given them upon our resurrection. Like eternal life, it is granted now, we receive it upon our resurrection when we are changed and spend eternity with God from then on.

 

[Shrewd Manager]

It is a victory over sin---that is what all this is about---the eradication of sin. Jesus paid the price for all---but those who reject Him have no protection and will die---their sin dies with them.

Doctor has good news and bad news: operation was a success, but the patient died.

Forced repentance is no repentance. The heart has not been changed. Their decision has been made.

Agreed. This is one of the points you seem to be somehow failing to grasp about UR. It is the blood of Christ that compels repentance, the grace of God in a baptism of fire and the spirit. That's what being 'born again' is all about.

Our world will be free of sin. That is the victory. Sin is dead---period.

Agreed.

If God wanted a forced acceptance of Him, He could have done it from the very beginning---torture them into submission. He has never wanted a forced acceptance---but one out of love for Him, and that is what He will have, a world with only those who love Him,

Yes, that's right.

there is no repentance after death.

Not even for those who were dead in their sins and trespasses? Like ALL of us before we were saved. Do you think physical death, these dead bones, can stop His Salvation? Jesus raises the dead, remember 'Come out Lazarus!'

 

[Shrewd Manager]

Our robes are washed at the time we accept Jesus. We are given them upon our resurrection. Like eternal life, it is granted now, we receive it upon our resurrection when we are changed and spend eternity with God from then on.

They're still washing robes in Revelation 21 and 22. All the way to the bottom of the jar.

 

[Saint Steven]

The Christian victory is where God's former enemies bring their honour and glory to the throne in worship, repenting of their folly and rejoicing in their surrender to Christ.

The Damnationists say we are accusing God of torturing them to repent. - lol

 

[Saint Steven]

What on earth makes you think anything I said demands an apology?? I can not apologize for quoting scripture!

Can you apologize for misquoting us? (bearing false witness)

 

[Saint Steven]

The way this line moves.. I'll need a chair and some Wifi.....

Sorry. We only provide "Why-Fry?" - lol

 

[Saint Steven]

My points were two fold...

Number one... there is no way to determine a "time" as there is no "time"

And secondly.. you would have to weight the extent of ones supposed crime as to how long and how severe the discipline...

None of which is ever spoke of in the canon.

Are you sure?

Matthew 16:27
For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father’s glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what they have done.

Revelation 22:12
“Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done.

 

[mmksparbud]

Doctor has good news and bad news: operation was a success, but the patient died.

Correction. The patient refused the operation---a changed heart.

Agreed. This is one of the points you seem to be somehow failing to grasp about UR. It is the blood of Christ that compels repentance, the grace of God in a baptism of fire and the spirit. That's what being 'born again' is all about.

The blood of Christ is accepted prior to death, that is what being born means. We accept Christ now, prior to death, we awake to our washed robes and life eternal with Christ.

Not even for those who were dead in their sins and trespasses? Like ALL of us before we were saved. Do you think physical death, these dead bones, can stop His Salvation? Jesus raises the dead, remember 'Come out Lazarus!'

It is the Godhead that determines what being born means and Jesus said it. He has offered us all life eternal with Him if we accept Him now before we die. When we awake at the first resurrection, we awaken to our washed robes and eternal life with Christ---we are changed---in the twinkling of an eye, what we accept now. If the choice is non-repentance, the price was stated at creation--death. Accepting Christ now is what is being born again. There is no--"-Lazarus awake" in the lake of fire---it is the 2nd death---there is no 3rd resurrection.

 

[Shrewd Manager]

The Damnationists say we are accusing God of torturing them to repent. - lol

Stultifyingly amusing, I guess for the cheerful damnationist God doesn't have a purpose in mind when He tortures the sinner. Just 'for the hell of it'.

 

[Shrewd Manager]

Correction. The patient refused the operation---a changed heart.

Sounds like some Christians refuse that operation.

The blood of Christ is accepted prior to death, that is what being born means. We accept Christ now, prior to death, we awake to our washed robes and life eternal with Christ.

No, the blood of Christ revives us from death.

It is the Godhead that determines what being born means and Jesus said it. He has offered us all life eternal with Him if we accept Him now before we die. When we awake at the first resurrection, we awaken to our washed robes and eternal life with Christ---we are changed---in the twinkling of an eye, what we accept now. If the choice is non-repentance, the price was stated at creation--death. Accepting Christ now is what is being born again. There is no--"-Lazarus awake" in the lake of fire---it is the 2nd death---there is no 3rd resurrection.

So it's a policy flip-flop after a certain point, to 'Slow-cook Lazarus'? And there I was thinking God changeth not.

 

[mmksparbud]

They're still washing robes in Revelation 21 and 22. All the way to the bottom of the jar.

Where in Rev 21 and 22 is anyone washing their robes?

 

[Saint Steven]

So it's a policy flip-flop after a certain point, to 'Slow-cook Lazarus'? And there I was thinking God changeth not.

Like a hamburger on the BBQ. Flip it over and cook the other side.
"Well done, my good and faithful servant."

 

[mmksparbud]

Sounds like some Christians refuse that operation.



No, the blood of Christ revives us from death.



So it's a policy flip-flop after a certain point, to 'Slow-cook Lazarus'? And there I was thinking God changeth not.

Yes, believers and unbelievers can be unrepentant sinners who refuse that operation.

No---the blood does not revive us---the voice of Jesus does that! His blood forgives us our sins.

Right, God does not change. He said at creation what the penalty for sin is---death. He hasn't changed His mind. The blood of Jesus has forgiven the sins of all, only those that accept that gift will hear His voice and awaken.

 

[mmksparbud]

Like a hamburger on the BBQ. Flip it over and cook the other side.
"Well done, my good and faithful servant."

No---no flipping needed. It's a lake of fire---they are totally engulfed. They will be ashes.

 

[Shrewd Manager]

Where in Rev 21 and 22 is anyone washing their robes?

Revelation 22:14 Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life and may enter the city by its gates.

But if you see Rev 22:15, referring to the reprobates outside, this is really the same as Rev 21:8, where we're told they suffer 'the second death'.

So they're washing the robes/ purging the dross/ being tormented in the fire/ suffering the second death in order to qualify for the Lamb's Book of Life entry conditions to the City.
Revelation 21:27 But nothing unclean will ever enter it, nor anyone who practices an abomination or a lie, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's Book of Life.

 

[FineLinen]

I guess you had to go through a whole bunch of translations until you got one that could squeeze in to your backward view..


Just so you know... there is NO time in eternity...

You cannot say, a year, two years, 100 years.. a life time.. whatever..

There is no time outside this universe...

The Aidios One does not dwell in time, times in all aspects of ages come out of Him as Source & are consummated in Him as Goal.

The radical ALL!

 

[Shrewd Manager]

Right, God does not change. He said at creation what the penalty for sin is---death. He hasn't changed His mind. The blood of Jesus has forgiven the sins of all, only those that accept that gift will hear His voice and awaken.

Why do you have difficulty with the highly scriptural concept that God can separate the sin and deliver the sinner? Isn't that palpable throughout Jesus' entire ministry - healing lepers, raising the dead, curing various ailments, miracles? Doubt it not.

 

[JacksBratt]

Well, isn't 'instant' a temporal concept?

Instant is timeless... It takes no time.

Those lonely Pearly Gates, open all the livelong day with nobody coming in or going out.

Those "pearly gates" are going to be destroyed. The old heaven and the old earth will pass away. Eternity will be spend on a new earth and the new heaven will descend to it..

Nobody will be going to those gates.. they will not exist and nobody will be coming or going from anywhere other than those on the new earth and in the new heaven.


Revelation 21:1-4 New International Version (NIV)

A New Heaven and a New Earth
21 Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,” for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. 2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. 4 ‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”

 

[Shrewd Manager]

Night all, grace and peace.