THE FALSE TEACHINGS OF UNIVERSALISM - BEWARE!

[JacksBratt]

Say what? - lol

Read the posts..

The old heaven and the old earth will pass away..

 

[JacksBratt]

Why do you ask?

Are the people here all knowing about everything? Or things not revealed in Scripture?

Why not just read your Bible & see what it tells you?

Maybe until they repent & believe?

After the great white throne judgement.. all who are not written in the Lambs book of life are thrown into the lake of fire... Death.. is also destroyed..

From then on.. there is nobody popping back from the lake of fire, from time to time...
It is a done deal.. end of story..

They don't answer because there is no biblical support for a post White throne purgatory..

 

[Lazarus Short]

"The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death." First Corinthians 15:26, KJV

In the Damnationist universe, with everyone in Heaven or Hell respectively, those in Hell can wave upwards and way, "Hey, you up there, we're still dead! Death isn't defeated yet!"

Those in Heaven retort: "You seem to be very much alive, so yes, death is defeated. Shut up!"

From Hell: "But we had to be dead to be here - what do you say to that?"

The discussion goes on and on...after a while, everyone is confused. Later, Schrodinger's Cat shows up.

In the Annihilationist universe, ash futures are in decline, but then is heard, a la Genesis 4:10, "We're still dead...death is not defeated." They ignore this small voice as long as they can, but eventually ask God if it's true. "True? I'll show you True!" God waves at the piles of ashes, which transform into people. "NOW death is defeated! Go and introduce yourselves, and say you're sorry!" God thunders. The ash market collapses soon after...

 

[Lazarus Short]

Read the posts..

The old heaven and the old earth will pass away..

Nothing is said about the "old Hell" passing away - because there wasn't one!

 

[mmksparbud]

Why would our loving Father make such a plan from the foundations of the world?
To what aim?

The Father and Jesus had salvation planned from the foundation of the world, He wanted everyone to have salvation.

Mat_25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
Eph_1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Rev_13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

It is the Lamb that was slain from the foundation of the world.
But He would know that there would be some who would not accept Him, He knew His Son would be crucified by those who would reject Him. He knew that Lucifer and his followers would one day have to be ashes.

Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

Sometimes it is helpful to erase all punctuation---as is in the original Greek and you will have a clearer idea of how the passage should be read.

 

[FineLinen]

He already corrected it..

All that want to be made whole.. can accept His gift of salvation..

He said "IT IS FINISHED"

He did not say "I'M WORKING ON IT"

The Master of reconciliation has proclaimed it is finished, that is a fact!

The reconciliation of the ta pavnte begins with His Household, those known as the elect firstfruits, the especially (malista) of the all of mankind of whom He is Saviour.

The full and complete work of "it is finished" extends ultimately not just to the firsfruits of us to them (all of mankind.)

Firstfruits > > > Final harvest.

Welcome to the dispensation of the fullness of times.

 

[mmksparbud]

"The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death." First Corinthians 15:26, KJV

In the Damnationist universe, with everyone in Heaven or Hell respectively, those in Hell can wave upwards and way, "Hey, you up there, we're still dead! Death isn't defeated yet!"

Those in Heaven retort: "You seem to be very much alive, so yes, death is defeated. Shut up!"

From Hell: "But we had to be dead to be here - what do you say to that?"

The discussion goes on and on...after a while, everyone is confused. Later, Schrodinger's Cat shows up.

In the Annihilationist universe, ash futures are in decline, but then is heard, a la Genesis 4:10, "We're still dead...death is not defeated." They ignore this small voice as long as they can, but eventually ask God if it's true. "True? I'll show you True!" God waves at the piles of ashes, which transform into people. "NOW death is defeated! Go and introduce yourselves, and say you're sorry!" God thunders. The ash market collapses soon after...

It has been answered countless times!! You keep repeating the same nonsense that destroying death does not destroy death!!! All sinners are destroyed---they are ashes. There is no more sin, there are no more sinners---there is no more death as it dies in the fire and is no more and you guys simply can not wrap your heads around that fact!!! It is so ludicrous to say that when the reason for death is destroyed---death is also then destroyed and you guys keep saying no it isn't!!! Duh--I think my St. Bernard could understand that! No one will die, no living thing will ever again die---what is so hard to understand about that? Death is not saying one single solitary word! Your circle of babel is just that---babel!! The only ones confused are you guys.

 

[Lazarus Short]

It has been answered countless times!! You keep repeating the same nonsense that destroying death does not destroy death!!! All sinners are destroyed---they are ashes. There is no more sin, there are no more sinners---there is no more death as it dies in the fire and is no more and you guys simply can not wrap your heads around that fact!!! It is so ludicrous to say that when the reason for death is destroyed---death is also then destroyed and you guys keep saying no it isn't!!! Duh--I think my St. Bernard could understand that! No one will die, no living thing will ever again die---what is so hard to understand about that? Death is not saying one single solitary word! Your circle of babel is just that---babel!! The only ones confused are you guys.

BUT...THEY'RE...STILL...DEAD.

 

[Oldmantook]

Accurate as to what I am doing when I read this thread, just wrong sex. I have to ration my time on here----leads to severe headaches.

Oh that's good news! I thought you were suffering from autism.

 

[JacksBratt]

Nothing is said about the "old Hell" passing away - because there wasn't one!

Well that's false logic.

 

[JacksBratt]

Well.. it's been fun.

But, I'm jump'n off this hamster wheel..

God Bless.

 

[Oldmantook]

Nonsense. There is no where in any scripture that you have provided dear friend, that says the wicked come out of the lake of fire and enter the city and receive eternal life. Why not? Yep they are destroyed see HEBREWS 10:26-31; MATTHEW 25:31-41; 2 THESSALONIANS 1:6-10; MATTHEW 7:13-27; REVELATION 22:11-12. Your claims are addressed in detail through the scriptures that show the context you leave out in post # 462 linked and post # 533 linked showing why your interpretation is in error. Your only repeating yourself here and ignoring the posts and scriptures shared with you only as a help that prove why you are in error. Unless you have anything new to offer as I said earlier we will have to agree to disagree and remain friends. I pray that God may help you as you seek him through his Word. Thanks for sharing your thoughts though as you can tell I do not believe for the reasons provided from the scriptures that they are biblical.

I find it quite revealing that you refuse to answer my question about about who are those that WILL HAVE THE RIGHT to the tree of life and who SHALL ENTER the city gates when the saints by definition already possess the right to the tree of life and have already taken up residence in the new Jerusalem. Your avoidance in answering my direct question to you certainly doesn't do much to support or advance your belief.

 

[Lazarus Short]

Well that's false logic.

Not at all - it follows from Genesis 1:1, which states that God created the Heavens and the Earth. Nothing is said about the creation of Hell, and none of the other mentions of the creation of the universe in the Bible mention Hell as being created. There is also the common pairing of "heaven and earth" many times over, but "earth and hell" are nowhere to be found. I believe I am on very solid ground here.

 

[mmksparbud]

BUT...THEY'RE...STILL...DEAD.

YES!!! AND ALWAYS WILL BE!!! NO WAKING UP!! NO LIFE!! CEASE TO EXIST----DEAD!!!

Nothing else ever will die. Glad you got it!

 

[mmksparbud]

Oh that's good news! I thought you were suffering from autism.

Nope! That's you guys---can't understand death being done away with!

 

[Lazarus Short]

YES!!! AND ALWAYS WILL BE!!! NO WAKING UP!! NO LIFE!! CEASE TO EXIST----DEAD!!!

Nothing else ever will die. Glad you got it!

I understand you perfectly...however, if any are still dead, then death has not been defeated, has it? I have asked this question for years here, and on other forums. I'm still waiting for a decent answer, but just stating that the dead stay dead and there is no more new death does not ring the bell.

 

[mmksparbud]

Well.. it's been fun.

But, I'm jump'n off this hamster wheel..

God Bless.

Yah---there's only so much that talking to brick walls and headbanging one take!

 

[FineLinen]

Dear St. John: You must be wrong.

There shall be no more thanantos must mean death shall exist forever. (lol)

No more = οὐκ ἔτι

 

[mmksparbud]

I understand you perfectly...however, if any are still dead, then death has not been defeated, has it? I have asked this question for years here, and on other forums. I'm still waiting for a decent answer, but just stating that the dead stay dead and there is no more new death does not ring the bell.

I can not say what is on my mind---the website would kick me out!
You've been told for years---it's the same answer---DEATH IS NO MORE!!! as in, doesn't exist because it will never happen again. I'm sorry if you can't hear the bell---it's been ringing for years. Ask the next 5 year old you encounter.

 

[Basil the Great]

One would think that between the extremes of the doctrines of Universalism and Eternal Torment might lie a middle ground? Then again, we simply do not know. Only God knows for certain.

 

[FineLinen]

One would think that between the extremes of the doctrines of Universalism and Eternal Torment might lie a middle ground? Then again, we simply do not know. Only God knows for certain.

Again Basil: There are 3 (three) schools in the earliest 500 years of Christianity. Shall we present a repeat?

Take 2 =

All three teachings are clearly seen in the earliest Theological schools of the earliest writings of the first 500 years of Christianity.

The first 500 years =

Universalism, the Prevailing Doctrine of the Christian Church During its First Five Hundred Years