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The Eye of Zeus

Discussion in 'Physical & Life Sciences' started by Agonaces of Susa, Apr 21, 2011.

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  1. Agonaces of Susa

    Agonaces of Susa Evolution is not science: legalize creationism.

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    "The wondrous thing is: how could Kepler have known of the red spot in Jupiter, then not yet discovered? It was discovered by J. D. Cassini in the 1660’s, after the time of Kepler and Galileo. Kepler’s assumption that Galileo had discovered a red spot in Jupiter amazes and defies every statistical chance of being a mere guess. But the possibility is not excluded that Kepler found the information in some Arab author or some other source, possibly of Babylonian or Chinese origin. Kepler did not disclose what the basis of his reference to the red spot of Jupiter was — he could not have arrived at it either by logic and deduction or by sheer guesswork. A scientific prediction must follow from a theory as a logical consequence. Kepler had no theory on that. It is asserted that the Chinese observed solar spots many centuries before Galileo did with his telescope. Observing solar spots, the ancients could have conceivably observed the Jovian red spot, too. Jesuit scholars traveled in the early 17th century to China to study Chinese achievements in astronomy." -- Immanuel Velikovsky, polymath, On Prediction in Science, ~1960-70

    Hesiod called Jupiter's famous red spot "the eye of Zeus."

    "The eye of Zeus, seeing all and understanding all...." -- Hesiod, poet, Works and Days, 8th century B.C.

    Hesiod deliberately says eye of Zeus (singular) not eyes of Zeus (plural).

    Aeschylus refers to "the eye of Zeus" as well.

    "... glancing down on thee the Father's [Zeus's] eye ...." -- Aeschylus, playwright, Prometheus Bound, 430 B.C.

    And again.

    "... on the eye of Zeus may fall the balm that shall assuage desire." -- Aeschylus, playwright, Prometheus Bound, 430 B.C.
     
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  2. CaliforniaSun

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    Cool.
     
  3. Gracchus

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    The point of the OP being ...?

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  4. Agonaces of Susa

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    Hesiod and the ancients also observed the rings of Saturn.

    "To you, O Saturn, Zoilus dedicates these chains and these double fetters, his first rings." -- Marcus V. Martialis, poet, Epigram XXIX, 1st century

    "... and yet the King of Gods, the first and eldest one, is in bonds [rings], they say, if we are to believe Hesiod and Homer and other wise men who tell this tale about Cronus [Saturn]...." -- Dio Crysostom, philosopher, 1st century
     
  5. Agonaces of Susa

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    Hesiod, Aeschylus, and Euripides referred to Jupiter's red spot as the eye of Zeus...:thumbsup:
     
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  6. Upisoft

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    He is converting in belief in Zeus. Apparently Zeus could only know such things, therefore Zeus is real.
     
  7. Gracchus

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    Well, the quotes you provided did refer to the eye of Zeus, but you have not shown that they referred to the Red Spot.

    Indeed, you have not shown that the Red Spot can see at all. It might be Zeus's pimple.


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  8. Ar Cosc

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    I'm waiting to see how the planet Jupiter lived on top of a mountain in Greece, and threw lightning bolts at people.
     
  9. Agonaces of Susa

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    Well it's a matter of fact that the solar system and all the stars live on or above Mount Olympus.

    And it's not just the Greeks who associate Jupiter with lightning but every civilization in recorded world history.

    "... Indra [Jupiter] hurled the thunderbolt at Vritra [Venus]..." -- Mahabharata, 8th century B.C.

    "We are told, in the inscriptions, of the fall of the celestial being [Venus] who appears to correspond to Satan. In his ambition he raises his hand against the sanctuary of the God of heaven, and the description of him is really magnificent. He is represented riding a chariot through celestial space, surrounded by the storms, with the lightning playing before him, and wielding a thunderbolt as a weapon. This rebellion leads to a war in heaven...." -- George Smith, archaeologist, 1876
     
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    Did the planet Uranus literally have testicles, for Cronos to cut off and throw into the sea?

    Speaking of the sea, did the planet Neptune live there, and get pulled around by horses?

    Did the planet Mercury originally flit around the solar system carrying messages? With such a big eye, you'd think Jupiter would be able to just see what Mars was writing.
     
  11. Snow Phoenix

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    Oh AoS, we can always count on your to make up some sort of 'point' and then quote mine the heck out of any philosopher that died over a century ago to try and prove it.

    You have posted a bunch of quotemines about the gods in the Roman pantheon, not the planets.
     
  12. Agonaces of Susa

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    Definition of quotemine: any true statement that a Darwinist disagrees with.

    FYI: Zeus and Kronos are Greek names for planets.

    You claim Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn are not planets?

    I disagree.

    "Indeed, astronomy was closely linked with their [Maya] religion. The Sun, Moon, and planets were their gods." -- Michael Guillen, physicist, The Ancient Maya: The Tools of Astronomy, The History Channel, 2010

    "... 'Star of Horus, Foremost of the Sky' (in the Pyramid Texts, Horus was called the 'Morning Star')." -- Robert G. Bauval, author, The Egypt Code, 2008

    "A perusal of nearly any ancient pantheon reveals the obvious: At least some of the gods, often the most important ones, are objects in the sky." -- Edwin C. Krupp, archaeoastronomer, Echoes of the Ancient Sky: The Astronomy of Lost Civilizations, 2003

    "As in ancient Mesopotamia, China, India, Greece, and Italy, astronomical gods form the core of the pre-Columbian pantheon. Mesoamerican societies saw the heavenly bodies as gods who influenced their fate and controlled what happened on earth." -- Dick Teresi, author, Lost Discoveries, 2002

    "In most ancient cultures in which sky observations were important, astronomers served also as priests." -- Dick Teresi, Lost Discoveries, author, 2002

    "So great was the ancients reliance on the sun and the moon that they deified them." -- Anthony F. Aveni, archaeoastronomer, Sky Watchers, 2001

    "Like the ancient Greeks, Romans, Hindus, Chinese, Mesopotamians, and Egyptians, the Maya believed that the celestial luminaries were gods who influenced human destiny and controlled events on earth." -- Susan Milbrath, archaeoastronomer, Star Gods of the Maya, 1999

    "Astronomical gods form the core of the Precolumbian pantheon." -- Susan Milbrath, archaeoastronomer, Star Gods of the Maya, 1999

    "Athena and Aphrodite were both planet Venus deities." -- Charles Ginenthal, historian, 1995

    "On the mythological front, it was not long before I had to accept that the deities of the ancient nations originated as personifications of cosmic bodies, prime among which were the very planets of the solar system. It did not take Velikovsky, or any of his precursors, to convince me of this. The ancients, who were in the best position to know what they themselves believed in, so stated in many of their texts. It therefore struck me as strange that most modern mythologists would go to such great pains in attempting to explain mythological characters and themes in anything but cosmic terms." -- Dwardu Cardona, author, December 1988

    "... it is not the 'beliefs' and 'religions' which circle around and fight eachother restlessly; what changes is the celestial situation." -- Giorgio de Santillana and Hertha Von Dechend, polymaths, 1969

    "Are you so impressed also by the planet Jupiter that you would regard it as a chief deity above Sun and Moon? And they worshipped those planets, those gods, in the planets themselves. They were lifting their hands, the Babylonians and the Indians, Hindu, and the Chinese, all, they were lifting their hands to those planets in worshipping them. And human sacrifice were brought to them. Even into recent times, among the American Indians, in the last century still, human sacrifice were brought to the planet Venus." -- Immanuel Velikovsky, polymath, 1966

    "I ask again and again why the ancients worshipped planetary gods." -- Immanuel Velikovsky, polymath, 1966

    "We cannot understand the Egyptian -- or man -- until we study his gods." -- Will Durant, historian, The Story of Civilization, Volume I, Our Oriental Heritage, 1935

    "The Babylonians were planet worshippers." -- Drusilla D. Houston, historian, Wonderful Ethiopians of the Ancient Cu[bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]e Empire, Chapter XIII: The Civilization of Babylonia, 1926

    "The great temple [of Babylon] was the symbolization of Babylonian mythology. The seven platforms were dedicated to the seven planets." -- John C. Ridpath, historian, History of the World, 1894

    "It is not easy to understand the idea which was the basis for the identification of the Babylonian gods with the planets." -- Peter Jensen, author, 1890

    "The sun, moon and stars, were such noble and glorious bodies, and so visible, so remarkable, so useful [to all] parts of the world; and the heathen nations so generally doted on the worship of them...." -- William Whiston, mathematician, 1737

    "He [Thales] held the sun and the planets for Gods. And in the same sense Pythagoras, on account of its immense force of attraction, said that the Sun was a prison of Zeus, that is, a body possessed of the greatest circuits." -- Isaac Newton, mathematician, 1690

    "The last fell to the lot of Cronos [Saturn] the seventh planet. Such he made this seat; having founded the sacred city, he called it by the name of Thebes in Egypt...." -- Nonnus, poet, Dionysiaca, Book V, 5th century

    "But possibly these stars which have been called by their names are these gods. They call a certain star Mercury, and likewise a certain other star Mars. But among those stars which are called by the name of gods, is that one which they call Jupiter, and yet with them Jupiter is the world. There also is that one they call Saturn, and yet they give him no small property beside, namely all seeds." -- Augustine, theologian, City of God, 426

    "Another of his [Pythagoras's] theories was ... that the sun, and the moon, and the stars, were all Gods...." -- Diogenes Laertius, historian, 3rd century

    "The following is the account that authors give of the philosophy of the Egyptians ... that the sun and moon are gods, of whom the former is called Osiris and the latter Isis ...." -- Diogenes Laertius, historian, Lives: Introduction, 3rd century

    "Seven pillars, which are not far from this tomb ... in the ancient manner, I believe, which they say are images of the planets." -- Pausanias, geographer, Description of Greece, Book III: Laconia, 2nd century

    "Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch [Saturn], and the star of your god Remphan [Saturn], figures which ye made to worship them: and I will carry you away beyond Babylon." -- Acts 7:43

    "In the middle of the city, she [Semiramis] built a temple to Jupiter, whom the Babylonians call Belus, (as we have before said), ... it is apparent that it was of an exceeding great height, and that by the advantage of it, the Chaldean astrologers exactly observed the setting and rising of the stars." -- Diodorus Siculus, The Library, Book II, 1st century B.C.

    "... there were the brazen statues of Ninus and Semiramis, the great officers, and of Jupiter, whom the Babylonians call Belus...." -- Diodorus Siculus, The Library, Book II, 1st century B.C.

    "There was in their city [Carthage] a bronze image of Cronus [Saturn], extending his hands, palms up and sloping toward the ground, so that each of the children when placed thereon rolled down and fell into a sort of gaping pit with fire. ... Also the story passed down among the Greeks from ancient myth that Cronus [Saturn] did away with his own children appears to have been kept in mind among the Carthaginians through this observance." -- Diodorus Siculus, historian, Library of History, Book XX, 1st century B.C.

    "And since they [Chaldeans] have observed the stars over a long period of time and have noted both the movements and the influences of each of them with greater precision than any other men, they foretell to mankind many things that will take place in the future. But above all importance, they say, is the study of the influence of the five stars known as planets, which they call 'Interpreters' when speaking of them as a group, but if referring to them singly, the one named Cronus [Saturn] by the Greeks, which is the most conspicuous and presages more events and such as are of greater importance than the others, they call the star of Helius, whereas the other four they designate as the stars of Ares [Mars], Aphrodite [Venus], Hermes [Mercury], and Zeus [Jupiter], as do our astrologers." -- Diodorus Siculus, historian, Library of History, Book II, 1st century B.C.

    "Since the stars come into existence in the aether, it is reasonable that they possess sensation and intelligence. And from this it follows that the stars are to be reckoned as gods. For it may be observed that the inhabitants of those countries in which the air is pure and rarefied have keener wits and greater powers of understanding than persons who live an a dense and heavy climate.... It is therefore likely that the stars possess surpassing intelligence, since they inhabit the ethereal region of the world. Again, the consciousness and intelligence of the stars is most clearly evinced by their order and regularity ... the stars move of their own free will and because of their intelligence and divinity.... Not yet can it be said that some stronger force compels the heavenly bodies to travel in a manner contrary to their nature, for what stronger force can there be? It remains therefore that the motion of the heavenly bodies is voluntary...Therefore the existence of the gods is so manifest that I can scarcely deem one who denies it to be of sound mind." -- Marcus T. Cicero, philosopher, 1st century B.C.

    "I suspect that the sun, moon, earth, stars, and heaven, which are still the Gods of many barbarians, were the only Gods known to the aboriginal Hellenes. Seeing that they were always moving and running, from their running nature they were called Gods or runners (Theous, Theontas)" -- Plato, philosopher, Cratylus, 360 B.C.

    "Hades [Pluto] trembled where he rules over the dead below, and the Titans under Tartarus who live with Cronos [Saturn] ...." -- Hesiod, poet, Theogony, 8th century B.C.

    "And he [Zeus] was reigning in heaven, himself holding the lightning and glowing thunderbolt, when he had overcome by might his father Cronos [Saturn]; and he distributed fairly to the immortals their portions and declared their privileges." -- Hesiod, poet, Theogony, 8th century B.C.

    "So he [Mars] spoke, and ordered Deimos and Phobos to harness." -- Homeros, poet, Iliad, XV:119, 8th century B.C.

    "This is the way it is fated to be; and for you and your anger
    I [Jupiter] care not; not if you stray apart to the undermost limits
    of earth and sea, where Iapetos and Kronos [Saturn] seated
    have no shining of the sun god Hyperion to delight them
    nor winds delight, but Tartaros stands deeply about them."
    -- Homeros, poet, Iliad, VIII:477-481, 8th century B.C.

    "And them that worship the host of heaven upon the housetops; and them that worship and that swear by the LORD, and that swear by Malcham [Saturn];" -- Zephaniah 1:5

    "But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven [Venus], and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem:" -- Jeremiah 44:17

    "And the houses of Jerusalem, and the houses of the kings of Judah, shall be defiled as the place of Tophet [Saturn], because of all the houses whose roofs they have burned incense unto all the host of heaven, and have poured out drink offerings unto other gods." -- Jeremiah 19:13

    "And they shall spread them before the sun, and the moon, and all the host of heaven, whom they have loved, and whom they have served, and after whom they have walked, and whom they have sought, and whom they have worshipped: they shall not be gathered, nor be buried; they shall be for dung upon the face of the earth." -- Jeremiah 8:2

    "And he brought me unto the inner court of the LORD's house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces towards the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east." -- Ezekiel 8:16

    "And the high places that were before Jerusalem, which were on the right hand of the mount of corruption, which Solomon the king of Israel had builded for Ashtoreth [Venus] the abomination of the Zidonians, and for Chemosh [Saturn] the abomination of the Moabites, and for Milcom the abomination of the children of Ammon, did the king defile" -- II Kings 23:13

    "For he [Manasseh] built again the high places which Hezekiah his father had destroyed; and he reared up altars for Baal [Saturn], and made an Asherah, as did Ahab king of Israel, and worshipped all the host of heaven, and served them. -- II Kings 21:3

    "And they left all the commandments of the LORD their God, and made them molten images, even two calves, and made a grove, and worshipped all the host of heaven, and served Baal [Saturn]." --II Kings 17:16

    "Then said Elijah unto the people, I, [even] I only, remain a prophet of the LORD; but Baal's [Saturn's] prophets [are] four hundred and fifty men." -- I Kings 18:22

    "Because they have forsaken me, and have worshipped Ashtoreth [Venus] the goddess of the Zidonians, Chemosh [Saturn] the god of the Moabites, and Milcom [Saturn] the god of the children of Ammon, and have not walked in my ways, to do that which is right in mine eyes, and to keep my statutes and my judgments, as did David his father." -- I Kings 11:33

    "Then did Solomon build a high place for Chemosh [Saturn], the abomination of Moab, in the hill that is before Jerusalem, and for Molech [Saturn], the abomination of the children of Ammon." -- I Kings 11:7

    "Wilt not thou possess that which Chemosh [Saturn] thy god giveth thee to possess? So whomsoever the LORD our God shall drive out from before us, them will we possess." -- Judges 11:24

    "And they forsook the LORD, and served Baal [Saturn] and Ashtaroth [Venus]." -- Judges 2:13

    "But the LORD hath taken you, and brought you forth out of the iron furnace, even out of Egypt, to be unto him a people of inheritance, as ye are this day." -- Deuteronomy 4:20

    "And lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun, and the moon, and the stars, even all the host of heaven, shouldest be driven to worship them, and serve them, which the LORD thy God hath divided under the whole heaven." -- Deuteronomy 4:19

    "Woe to thee, Moab! thou art undone, O people of Chemosh [Saturn]:" -- Numbers 21:29

    "He [Tiamat] marked the positions of the wandering stars to shine in their courses, that they may not do injury, and may not trouble any one." -- Enuma Elish, Fifth Tablet of Creation
     
  13. Agonaces of Susa

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    Yes to all.

    If you knew what astrolatry is I wouldn't have to tell you.

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    Enjoy! :crosseo:
     
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    Sorry, that was the point of my reply going right over your head.

    I read for about 10 minutes until I facepalmed so many times that my forehead began to hurt. Then I realized you're the guy who believes there's some sort of Jesus-UFO connection and it all made sense.
     
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  16. Ar Cosc

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    I'm still curious about Uranus' testicles that Cronos cut off and threw into the sea. Did they look something like this?

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  17. Agonaces of Susa

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    The two moons were at close orbits, but not absurdly close.
     
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    So when Gaia (the earth), made a large sickle out of flint, and gave it to Cronus to castrate Uranus, how did he go about it? And while we're on the topic, how did Uranus come every night to mate with Gaia (the earth)? And when Uranus' testicles landed in the sea (near Cyprus), how did this give rise to Venus (Aphrodite)? And how did Venus (Aphrodite) have sex with the planet Mars (Ares), but also men, like Anchises? And how does a planet become pregnant with the child of a man? And how did men like Adonis even get through space in order to have sex with the planet Venus? Why didn't his gentleman's area melt when he exposed it to the lead-melting temperature and sulphuric acid?

    I await your answers to these questions with great interest.
     
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    Oh now you've done it. He's apt to crash the servers with a wall of quotemines so long your head will explode!
     
  20. religious&reasonable

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    People actually still believe in Greek Gods? ROFL!

    I just lost all faith in humanity. Can someone tell me if this guy is serious or not?
     
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