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The Eye of Zeus

Discussion in 'Physical & Life Sciences' started by Agonaces of Susa, Apr 21, 2011.

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  1. Agonaces of Susa

    Agonaces of Susa Evolution is not science: legalize creationism.

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    Citation needed.
     
  2. Agonaces of Susa

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    Everyone who is sane believes in Greco-Roman gods -- they are called planets, namely Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn etc.

    You don't believe in Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn?

    I highly suggest you point a telescope into heaven -- just remember to take the lens cap off.
     
  3. Snow Phoenix

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    Are you seriously trying to suggest that the anthropomorphic Greeco-Roman pantheon of gods were the planets? Rather than the, you know, historically accurate fact that the planets were in fact named after the gods...
     
  4. Agonaces of Susa

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    http://www.christianforums.com/t7554036-2/#post57314124

    FYI: the planets were deified by the Egyptians, Babylonians, Hindus, Canaanites, and Greeks who all practiced astrolatry before Rome and Latin even existed.

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    Egyptian: Eye of Horus
    Babylonian: Eye of Marduk
    Canaanite: Eye of Ba'al Hadad
    Greek: Eye of Zeus
    Latin: Eye of Jupiter

    "And lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun, and the moon, and the stars, even all the host of heaven, shouldest be driven to worship them, and serve them, which the LORD thy God hath divided under the whole heaven." -- Deuteronomy 4:19

    "And they shall spread them before the sun, and the moon, and all the host of heaven, whom they have loved, and whom they have served, and after whom they have walked, and whom they have sought, and whom they have worshipped: they shall not be gathered, nor be buried; they shall be for dung upon the face of the earth." -- Jeremiah 8:2
     
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  5. Ar Cosc

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    Ah, come on Agonaces, I was hoping at least for some entertaining drivel.

    From wikipedia:

    Now, care to address my previous post:



    I used to desperately hope he was a troll, but he's got a whole website of this stuff, which is above and beyond what a troll would do. He's legitimately barmy. He believes not only in the Roman Gods, but that they are literally the planets that are named after them.

    Edit: Also, that Jesus is from space and is literally the constellation Aries, there is no such thing as gravity (mass doesn't attract mass), there is no such thing as centrifugal force (or else he just doesn't understand it), that the ancient Greeks has spaceships and nuclear weapons, and that there is no such thing as continental drift. Am I missing anything, AoS?
     
  6. ReverendDG

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    read some greek mythology instead of making up stuff.
    then again coming from the guy who denied the greek creation myth because it didn't support his bloody stupid claims, i doubt you can.
     
  7. Agonaces of Susa

    Agonaces of Susa Evolution is not science: legalize creationism.

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    Wikipedia is not an accurate or reliable source.

    Please provide the quote from the work of the author or I don't know what you're talking about.

    Yes Uranus's moons were castrated and Saturn's moons were devoured.

    Venus was born from Zeus's forehead during the interaction of Jupiter and Saturn: http://www.varchive.org/itb/satjup.htm
     
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  8. Agonaces of Susa

    Agonaces of Susa Evolution is not science: legalize creationism.

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    I knew you didn't have any citation or reference to the real world.

    What on earth are you talking about?

    Who denies the Greek creation myth?

    "All things were mixed up together, then Mind came and arranged them all in distinct order." -- Anaxagoras, philosopher, 5th century B.C.

    "Then I heard someone who had a book of Anaxagoras, as he said, out of which he read that mind was the disposer and cause of all, and I was quite delighted at the notion of this, which appeared admirable, and I said to myself; If mind is the disposer, mind will dispose all for the best, and put each particular in the best place ...." -- Plato, philosopher, Phaedo, 360 B.C.

    "... Anaxagoras, who says that all things were together and at rest for an infinite period of time, and that then Mind introduced motion and separated them...." -- Aristotle, Physics, Book VIII, 350 B.C.

    "He [Anaxagoras] said that the beginning of the universe was mind and matter, mind being the creator and matter that which came into being. For that when all things were together, mind came and arranged them." -- Hippolytus, priest, 2nd century
     
  9. Greg1234

    Greg1234 In the beginning was El

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    The relationship of the lower with the upper.
    Entering the movement over the surface of the deep.
    Entering desire
    Entering the separation of the second from the first.
    Entering the third coming into being with even further subsequent separation.
    Entering the ruling forces of the latter separation.
     
  10. Greg1234

    Greg1234 In the beginning was El

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    No, the planets are the gods. Matter is a reflection of mind.
     
  11. Ar Cosc

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    I'm not trawling through the original text to find the references for you. Wikipedia is reliable enough as a summary, and you;re the one who believes in the ancient Greek gods. You should know the stories behind them.
     
  12. ReverendDG

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    it is mythology pick up a book on mythology, i have yet to find any mythology that is real or is even correct.
    http://www.cs.williams.edu/~lindsey/myths/myths_16.html
    wrong again.


    i wonder the same thing about you, what on earth are you talking about?

    i do because it isn't true, it is interesting but it isn't true.

    that isn't the greek creation myth go educate yourself.

    http://www.cs.williams.edu/~lindsey/myths/myths_16.html
    if you deny this is the greek creation myth you prove what i say, it doesn't support your asinine claims.

    Greek creation myths
    Greek Mythology Story Creation

    how many links do you need before you drop your stupid arguments from philosophers and admit that what you say is completely wrong?
    my links are the greeks beliefs, just because you can quote-mine a few philosophers doesn't mean jack, philosophers don't represent the beliefs of the common man.
    you call what i posted last time a lie, because it doesn't support your garbage, just like you claim that the norse didn't believe the sky was ymir's skull and it was solid.
    just like you deny that a lot of cultures believed the sky was solid even when i prove it.
    it isn't like there isn't huge swathes of evidence that the greeks believed in many things, but none of them believed the nonsense you spew.
     
  13. ReverendDG

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    uh yes it is, according to the people that publish encyclopedia britannica it is.
    oh and you are no expert on accuracy or reliability, you misunderstand and distort nearly everything you quotemine.
    the only things you don't are the nutters you agree with.

    excuses, nothing but excuses, and i believe everything on that page is sourced at the bottem

    no, the story isn't talking about planets it is talking about anthropomorphic gods.

    uh no, at least if you are going to draw wrong conclusions please at least get the god right.
    athena was born from zeus head, how exactly would a planet complain of a headache or have a forhead,when the planet is a bloody planet?
    by the way venus was born from the "foam" of uranus's genitals.

    greeks are crazy, almost as crazy as the egypians who believed the universe was created from a god masturbating.

    oh yeah, your link is just the guys opinion and is illogical babble, nothing in it leads me to think the guy has a clue about ancient beliefs or understanding of reality, then i saw who he gets his drivel from..
     
  14. ReverendDG

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    lol he believes in them but i know more than he does? how strange, but not surprising.
     
  15. Agonaces of Susa

    Agonaces of Susa Evolution is not science: legalize creationism.

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    Uranus

     
  16. Agonaces of Susa

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    In fact, it is.

    "All things were mixed up together, then Mind came and arranged them all in distinct order." -- Anaxagoras, philosopher, 5th century B.C.

    "Then I heard someone who had a book of Anaxagoras, as he said, out of which he read that mind was the disposer and cause of all, and I was quite delighted at the notion of this, which appeared admirable, and I said to myself; If mind is the disposer, mind will dispose all for the best, and put each particular in the best place ...." -- Plato, philosopher, Phaedo, 360 B.C.

    "... Anaxagoras, who says that all things were together and at rest for an infinite period of time, and that then Mind introduced motion and separated them...." -- Aristotle, Physics, Book VIII, 350 B.C.

    "He [Anaxagoras] said that the beginning of the universe was mind and matter, mind being the creator and matter that which came into being. For that when all things were together, mind came and arranged them." -- Hippolytus, priest, 2nd century
     
  17. Agonaces of Susa

    Agonaces of Susa Evolution is not science: legalize creationism.

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    Encyclopaedia Britannica almost always contradicts Wikipedia.

    For example, Encyclopaedia Britannica says the ancients used telescopes.

    "The credit of the discovery of the telescope has been a fruitful subject of discussion. Thus, because Democritus announced that the Milky Way is composed of vast multitudes of stars, it has been maintained that he could only have been led to form such an opinion from actual examination of the heavens with a telescope. Other passages from the Greek and Latin authors have similarly been cited to prove that the telescope was known to the ancients." -- Encyclopaedia Britannica 1888, 1893, & 1911

    Wikipedia (Doug Weller etc.) on the other hand claims that telescopes didn't exist until the 17th century.

    And again, Encyclopaedia Britannica says that Ipuwer the scribe was a treasury official during the reign of Pepi II Neferkare.

    "Ipuwer, an ancient Egyptian sage. He perhaps served as a treasury official during the last years of Pepi II Neferkare (reigned c. 2294 - c. 2200 BC)...." -- The New Encyclopaedia Britannica, Volume 6, 2002

    Wikipedia (Doug Weller etc.) on the other hand attempts to censor all connection between Ipuwer and Pepi II Neferkare.
     
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  18. Ar Cosc

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    Very nice AoS. Now how do you square this with the fact that Uranus wasn't given that name until the 18th century. Do you think it's just a massive coincidence that the name picked by the modern astronomers happened to be the right one?
     
  19. Agonaces of Susa

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    FYI: Uranus is mentioned by Hesiod who lived in the 8th century B.C.

    All of the planets were named thousands (if not millions) of years before you assume.

    For example, the Babylonians are one of the oldest known civilizations.

    Nabu = Mercury
    Ishtar = Venus
    Nergal = Mars
    Marduk = Jupiter
    Ninurta = Saturn

    Likewise the Egyptians.

    Thoth = Mercury
    Isis/Neith = Venus
    Anhur = Mars
    Horus = Jupiter
    Osiris = Saturn

    Do you think it's just a massive coincidence that Homer called the moons of Mars by the names Deimos and Phobos?

    "So he [Mars] spoke, and ordered Deimos and Phobos to harness." -- Homeros, poet, Iliad, XV:119, 8th century B.C.
     
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  20. Ar Cosc

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    Yes, I'm aware of that, remember that big post I put up pointing out some hilarious holes in your logic, the one you ignored?

    Now, Uranus was named in modern times, by people who didn't believe the same sort of twaddle you do. Is it not an astonishing coincidence that those people who were just looking for a nice name from the Greek Pantheon happened to choose Uranus' actual name as described in Hesiod? What are your opinions on Pluto? Do you think the 11 year-old who chose the name in 1930 believed that Tombaugh had found the literal Greek God of the Underworld?

    And also, Uranus was Saturn's father in Roman mythology, and Gaia was his mother. How did Uranus impregnate the earth, and how does the Gaia (the earth) "give birth" to a planet 95 times her mass?

    And notice how none of these civilisations had names for Uranus, Neptune, Pluto, Makemake, Haumea, just the planets they could see with their naked eye. And I'm just talking about planets here. Saying that these civilisations also had a god of the sea is not the equivalent of saying they had a detailed knowledge of the planet we now call Neptune. Not that I expect you to understand this.

    He didn't. He called the mythological sons of Mars Deimos and Phobos. The moons of the planet we now call Mars were named after these mythological figures in 1877.

    Interestingly, features on Phobos are named after characters from Gulliver's Travels. Do you also believe Lilliput is a real place?
     
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