The Evolution of Civilization

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Personal attacks are against the rules. Maybe you need to read the terms of service for this forum

Okay, I'm sorry, but you asked a stupid question. You asked "what question" when you replied to a post I made which had the question I asked in the second half of the post, which you for some reason deleted.
Why did you delete the question and then ask me "what question"? No sensible person does that.

 

[Gene2memE]

Not when you think it through and come to a understanding of what I am saying. Of course I have been doing a study on this for over 50 years. So I have learned a little bit about the subject.

You've repeatedly failed to support your claims. When challenged, you're dismissive or evasive. When presented with evidenced counter factuals, you ignore them and double down on original claims clearly already contradicted.

Dunning-Kruger and the backfire effect. Makes me wish I was still studying psychology. Oh the papers I could write.

It doesn't matter how long you're studied something. Or the understanding you have of it. Or how you think it through. What matters is what can be supported with a concordance of evidence.

What evidence DO YOU HAVE?

 

[joshua 1 9]

You've repeatedly failed to support your claims.

Actually your are the one that failed to support your claim and now you have the audacity to try to blame me for what you are guilty of.

 

[bhsmte]

I love the smell of cognitive dissonance in the morning and all the defense mechanisms that go along with it.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Then you need to do a google search on what the Bible teaches about quarantining. Remember Moses wrote the Bible 3500 years ago.

dark ages - Google Search

The Bible and Laws of Quarantine
Long before medical science discovered the importance of quarantine of persons with infectious diseases, the Bible instigated them. In 1490 B.C. the Scriptures tell the children of Israel what to do if a man has leprosy: "All the days wherein the plague shall be in him he shall be defiled; he is unclean: he shall dwell alone; without the camp shall his habitation be" (Leviticus 13:46). Laws of quarantine were not instigated by modern man until the seventeenth century.

"During the devastating Black Death of the fourteenth century, patients who were sick or dead were kept in the same rooms as the rest of the family. People often wondered why the disease was affecting so many people at one time. They attributed these epidemics to "bad air" or "evil spirits." However, careful attention to the medical commands of God as revealed in Leviticus would have saved untold millions of lives. Arturo Castiglione wrote about the overwhelming importance of this biblical medical law: "The laws against leprosy in Leviticus 13 may be regarded as the first model of sanitary legislation" (A History of Medicine).

Too bad more than 50% of all people that contract leprosy have no confirmed contact with an infected individual. True, isolating oneself from people that are infected will greatly reduce your chances of contracting it, but by no means does this spare people from leprosy. It's actually not fully understood how leprosy spreads entirely.

This still would not protect people from diseases which spread BEFORE symptoms are apparent, such as measles, and quite a few other deadly diseases. You heard me, measles is a deadly disease, especially in children.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Too bad more than 50% of all people that contract leprosy have no confirmed contact with an infected individual. True, isolating oneself from people that are infected will greatly reduce your chances of contracting it, but by no means does this spare people from leprosy. It's actually not fully understood how leprosy spreads entirely.

This still would not protect people from diseases which spread BEFORE symptoms are apparent, such as measles, and quite a few other deadly diseases. You heard me, measles is a deadly disease, especially in children.

The promises of God are conditional, that is the meaning of a covenant. We are told that: "15"The LORD will remove from you all sickness;and He will not put on you any of the harmful diseases of Egypt which you have known, but He will lay them on all who hate you."

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I wonder if Joshua still thinks that the planning for a temple, a single building, is comparable to the civil engineering for a full blown city.

 

[lesliedellow]

"Civil engineering is a professional engineering discipline that deals with the design, construction, and maintenance of the physical and naturally built environment, including works like roads, bridges, canals, dams, and buildings" (wiki)

You don't need civil engineering to build a mud hut. If it falls down, you learn from experience, and try again. Making a track to drive carts over is scarcely any more complicated.

The need for planning and foresight increases as the ambition of your project increases. When buildings cost millions to put up, and can't be as easily replaced as a mud hut, if they fall down, the need for civil engineering gradually emerges. In between those two extremes, a greater or lesser amount of specialised knowledge will be needed.

 

[PsychoSarah]

The promises of God are conditional, that is the meaning of a covenant. We are told that: "15"The LORD will remove from you all sickness;and He will not put on you any of the harmful diseases of Egypt which you have known, but He will lay them on all who hate you."

-_- then disease would correlate with religion, and it doesn't. Everyone gets sick periodically.

 

[Aman777]

The promises of God are conditional, that is the meaning of a covenant. We are told that: "15"The LORD will remove from you all sickness;and He will not put on you any of the harmful diseases of Egypt which you have known, but He will lay them on all who hate you."

The Lord is speaking of the Jewish people in Egypt. The Jews did not keep the covenant perfectly, which is WHY Jesus had to die. God Bless you

 

[joshua 1 9]

The Lord is speaking of the Jewish people in Egypt. The Jews did not keep the covenant perfectly, which is WHY Jesus had to die. God Bless you

John Wesley would as the question in what way are we not able to fulfill the righteousness of God? That is fine if you believe we can not obtain sinless perfection. The question is in what way is the Blood of Jesus insufficient to cleanse us from our sin? We do have free will but free will does not explain why we are not able to live the life God is calling us to live.

 

[joshua 1 9]

-_- then disease would correlate with religion, and it doesn't. Everyone gets sick periodically.

Show me your evidence. According to science religious people on the average life five years longer. They tend not to smoke, drink and avoid living a high risk life style. Many atheists live a temperate lifestyle because they see the advantages to that.

 

[joshua 1 9]

You don't need civil engineering to build a mud hut.

My wife grew up in a bamboo hut on a dirt road. She was very happy when she learned she was going to America. For her this was a land where the roads were paved with Gold. Primitive homes are designed to last for 5 years. Homes in developed countries last a lot longer.

 

[Aman777]

John Wesley would as the question in what way are we not able to fulfill the righteousness of God?

Rom 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

Humans are too weak in the flesh to be perfect even as God is perfect and THAT is why Jesus had to lead a sinless life and offer Himself a sacrifice for our imperfections in the flesh.

*** That is fine if you believe we can not obtain sinless perfection. The question is in what way is the Blood of Jesus insufficient to cleanse us from our sin? We do have free will but free will does not explain why we are not able to live the life God is calling us to live.

The blood of Jesus IS sufficient to cleanse us from our sins, which all of us have committed, making us imperfect, until we are born Spiritually by God the Trinity. In order to be perfect, we MUST be in God since He is the only good. Luk 18:19

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

My wife grew up in a bamboo hut on a dirt road. She was very happy when she learned she was going to America. For her this was a land where the roads were paved with Gold. Primitive homes are designed to last for 5 years. Homes in developed countries last a lot longer.

And that's not civil engineering. That's just engineering.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Humans are too weak in the flesh

2 peter 3:6 "He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction."

Romans 8 "4 so that the righteous standard of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 Those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. 6 The mind of the flesh is death, but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace,…"

 

[Aman777]

2 peter 3:6 "He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction."

Romans 8 "4 so that the righteous standard of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 Those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. 6 The mind of the flesh is death, but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace,…"

Amen...BUT...the Apostle Paul could NOT live that perfect sinless life.

Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
Rom 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. Rom 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. Rom 7:21

I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: Rom 7:23
But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. Rom 7:24

O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

 

[bhsmte]

Show me your evidence. According to science religious people on the average life five years longer. They tend not to smoke, drink and avoid living a high risk life style. Many atheists live a temperate lifestyle because they see the advantages to that.

Why do people who live in countries with much lower belief in a god, have longer life spans than the US?

 

[lesliedellow]

Why do people who live in countries with much lower belief in a god, have longer life spans than the US?

Why do monks and nuns think they have died young, if they don't make it at least into their mid eighties, and preferably nineties?

 

[bhsmte]

Why do monks and nuns think they have died young, if they don't make it at least into their mid eighties, and preferably nineties?

I dont know what the data is on monks. I do know what the data is in regards to the countries i mentioned, compared to the US. If i wasnt on phone, i would post it.