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The evidence for evolution for Kenny'sID thread

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amariselle

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I have, and nowhere does it say that humans did not come about through evolution.

Actually, the Bible is perfectly clear that we are NOT a product of evolution, and that we are NOT descended from a common ancestor we share with apes.

Also, why can't we look at the evidence in the creation itself? Did God fake the evidence in an attempt to fool us?

Maybe we should look at it honestly for a change, rather than presupposing that everything just ended up how it is by accident.

Based on what evidence?

I already answered that.
 
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You are twisting what "creationists" actually believe.

We don't in fact believe that God is "incapable", we believe He is entirely capable, and that He made the world and everything in it a certain way, and He made it to work a certain way, to His glory.

Yet you don't believe that God is capable of inspiring humans to write an allegorical creation story, and evolve humans. Go figure.

Just because we don't believe He left it all to random chance, does not mean we think He is "incapable." He did in fact have a very definitive plan when He created everything.

We are saying that life evolved. Evolution is not random chance.

And it's all the more amazing because of that. Everything we see is the work of His hands, NOT the product of random and haphazard evolution.

And once again you state that God can not act through evolution.

"Professor Darrel Falk has recently pointed out that one should not take the view that young-earth creationism is simply tinkering around the edges of science. If the tenets of young earth creationism were true, basically all of the sciences of geology, cosmology, and biology would utterly collapse. It would be the same as saying 2 plus 2 is actually 5. The tragedy of young-earth creationism is that it takes a relatively recent and extreme view of Genesis, applies to it an unjustified scientific gloss, and then asks sincere and well-meaning seekers to swallow this whole, despite the massive discordance with decades of scientific evidence from multiple disciplines. Is it any wonder that many sadly turn away from faith concluding that they cannot believe in a God who asks for an abandonment of logic and reason?"
--Dr. Francis Collins, "Faith and the Human Genome"
https://tulsa.younglife.org/Documents/Francis Collins Article on Faith_Science.pdf
 
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Actually, the Bible is perfectly clear that we are NOT a product of evolution,

Then please point to the verse where it says that we did not evolve.

Maybe we should look at it honestly for a change, rather than presupposing that everything just ended up how it is by accident.

We don't presuppose that everything just ended up hot it is by accident. That is your mischaracterization of our position.


I already answered that.

But you didn't show us any evidence. You only pointed to the claim.
 
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Yet you don't believe that God is capable of inspiring humans to write an allegorical creation story, and evolve humans. Go figure.



We are saying that life evolved. Evolution is not random chance.



And once again you state that God can not act through evolution.

"Professor Darrel Falk has recently pointed out that one should not take the view that young-earth creationism is simply tinkering around the edges of science. If the tenets of young earth creationism were true, basically all of the sciences of geology, cosmology, and biology would utterly collapse. It would be the same as saying 2 plus 2 is actually 5. The tragedy of young-earth creationism is that it takes a relatively recent and extreme view of Genesis, applies to it an unjustified scientific gloss, and then asks sincere and well-meaning seekers to swallow this whole, despite the massive discordance with decades of scientific evidence from multiple disciplines. Is it any wonder that many sadly turn away from faith concluding that they cannot believe in a God who asks for an abandonment of logic and reason?"
--Dr. Francis Collins, "Faith and the Human Genome"
https://tulsa.younglife.org/Documents/Francis Collins Article on Faith_Science.pdf

Well, I guess we're done here. There's nothing more to say if you're going to repeatedly claim in saying things I'm not saying at all.

We cannot have any kind of discussion if you continue doing so.

Either way, it's been enlightening.

Have a wonderful evening. :)
 
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Well, I guess we're done here. There's nothing more to say if you're going to repeatedly claim in saying things I'm not saying at all.

My irony meter just exploded.

If you refuse to address the evidence, and refuse to present any evidence to back your claims, why are you here to begin with?
 
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My irony meter just exploded.

If you refuse to address the evidence, and refuse to present any evidence to back your claims, why are you here to begin with?

I don't need to, it's called the Bible, and you already told me you read it. So, what more is there to say on that subject?
 
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My irony meter just exploded.

If you refuse to address the evidence, and refuse to present any evidence to back your claims, why are you here to begin with?

Oh, and I'm glad to break the "irony meter." Fun times. :)
 
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How can they be a Christian if they don't believe God created us? That's kind of important.

Did God create you, or did you come from your parents?

Did God create human beings, or did we evolve from apes?
 
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Exactly. Also, I think many people fail to realize or admit that much of mainstream science is highly biased and even dishonest. (Some outright scams and forgeries have even been discovered over the years)

The bottom line is, there is more money than we care to know (or even can know) wrapped up in current scientific "research." Mainstream, evolutionary science has a very definitive agenda. They have decided on the model of Darwinian evolution, and they are running with it at all costs, no matter the conflicting evidence. Big name publications, television networks and companies, well known and highly accredited institutions and educational facilities etc., they've all bought into the Theory of Evolution. They, quite literally, cannot afford to admit to any real problems with it now, which is why they will do everything they can to cover up any issues and put a convincing spin on their "findings."

Backing them up is continued "research." But who exactly is receiving the research grants, and who continues to fund this ongoing research and experimentation? That's right, those who have already bought into the idea of Darwinian evolution. Any scientist who disagrees is considered a "fringe scientist", and they do not receive any sort of mainstream acknowledgement or funding. They are discredited and tossed aside the very second they even dare to mention the possibility that Darwinian evolutionary theory has some major flaws and shortcomings. Now, is that honest science? Hardly.

Frankly, I don't trust all of these organizations. They are wealthy beyond imagination, they are politically powerful and they have every reason to lie. They are a huge part of an ongoing narrative that has, at its centre, the goal of removing God from every single facet of life and existence. But they will not win.

I will be short and concise.

You are entitled to your own opinion, not your own facts.
 
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Yep, just like the frauds and forgeries were produced by other scientists doing science, what's your point?

Could you name some of these fraudulent scientists, particularly those working in fields relevant to evolution?
 
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Oh, and pardon me if I have never heard a Christian say "God didn't create us, we actually came from single celled organisms."
You and I both started as single celled organisms, nine months before we were born. And I knew this when I was still a Christian.
 
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Exactly. Also, I think...

Please take your conspiracy theory elsewhere. This thread is for the discussion of the evidence for evolution. Can you address any of the evidence presented in the OP and subsequent posts?
 
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Please take your conspiracy theory elsewhere. This thread is for the discussion of the evidence for evolution. Can you address any of the evidence presented in the OP and subsequent posts?

Did that already.
 
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That picture tells me nothing.

Then perhaps you're in over your head on the subject and might want to do some reading first.

There is also no adequate evidence that ANY creature transitions from one species to another. The fossil record is far too fragmentary for that.

I've provided evidence for evolution in the OP and 5 subsequent posts. Why don't you address that content. As far as the image that posted, if the progression of 15 skulls is "far too fragmentary" then you just being willfully blind.

As for scientists lying, well, they HAVE, intentionally. That is not an unknown or unsupported point, it is a FACT.

Why so coy? Don't allude. Give us actual examples.
 
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Please take your conspiracy theory elsewhere. This thread is for the discussion of the evidence for evolution. Can you address any of the evidence presented in the OP and subsequent posts?

Alright, understood.

But now, since you clearly equate all personal thoughts on matters with "conspiracy theories," I hope I don't see you sharing any of your own thoughts on anything either, because that would just be hypocritical.
 
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Did that already.

Please stop lying. You addressed nothing in my OP or any subsequent post on the first page.

I don't know who you think you're fooling with this sort of garbage. Now address the content of the posts from the first page or go find another thread to play around in.
 
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You and I both started as single celled organisms, nine months before we were born. And I knew this when I was still a Christian.

Not the same thing, and you know it.
 
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