The evidence for evolution for Kenny'sID thread

[46AND2]

I accept evolution too, just not macro evolution or Darwinian evolution.

You know what he meant. Must he spell it out for you?

 

[amariselle]

I'm a Christian, and I accept macroevolution, including a healthy dose of Darwinian evolution. You previously said, "No Christian agrees that we are the result of continual evolution from single celled organism to man, and that everything else on this earth likewise came from a single cell." That statement is completely incorrect.

Fair enough then. Each person is entirely able to believe as they choose.

I would like to ask, however, do you believe God created the world and everything in it?

 

[amariselle]

Evolution is change in the heritable traits of biological populations over successive generations.
Macro / Micro is just a time span, they're both Evolution.
"Darwinian Evolution" Has long sense been updated to include DNA evidence and other lines of evidence.

Macro and micro evolution are not the same thing. Micro evolution involves variations WITHIN a particular species, macro-evolution claims that genetic information can be added to DNA and that one species can therefore become and entirely different species.

 

[amariselle]

You know what he meant. Must he spell it out for you?

Excuse me? Am I not permitted to state what I believe and accept?

This is a public forum, we are all free to respectfully share our beliefs, views and opinions here.

That is ALL I was doing.

 

[amariselle]

Odd thing to say.

Nope, honest thing to say. You don't have to agree with me. I'm sure you would find a lot of my beliefs "odd," and that's okay.

 

[46AND2]

Excuse me? Am I not permitted to state what I believe and accept?

This is a public forum, we are all free to respectfully share our beliefs, views and opinions here.

That is ALL I was doing.

But you also EQUATED your belief with his, knowing full well that wasn't what he meant.

 

[amariselle]

But you also EQUATED your belief with his, knowing full well that wasn't what he meant.

I did no such thing. You read that into what I said.

 

[pgp_protector]

Lets just cut to the chase.
Are their Christians (like Me) Who Accept the Standard Scientific Theory of Evolution (Yes) ?

 

[46AND2]

I did no such thing. You read that into what I said.

"I accept evolution, too"

That part of your statement equates your belief with his, as if they are similar. Particularly when you just got done talking about how all Christians only accept microevolution.

You either didn't want to admit you are wrong, or you didn't want to accuse pgp of not being a Christian (even though that is likely what you believe).

 

[Loudmouth]

No, I do not reject ALL of them, I question all of them. I'm not naive enough to think there is no agenda behind much of the funding.

You seem to be inventing agendas where none exist.

We are ALL biased in some way, and mainstream science is very much so. They look at everything through the lens of Darwinian evolution.

Just as epidemiologists look at everything through the lens of the germ theory of disease. Why shouldn't scientists use theories that have been supported by mountains of evidence?

Evidence for creation, they won't even touch it.

What is that evidence?

They should fund ALL science, but they won't.

Creationism isn't science. So why should they fund it?

Creationism is simply the refusal to address the evidence. Has been for decades now. That is not science. Just look at your own actions. You refuse to address the genetic evidence I have given you, such as the genetic equidistance between mice, humans, and chickens.

They will only fund research into Darwinian evolution and related studies.

What other studies are there?

They haven't? Not ever? Not one single time?

Prove it.

You are the one claiming that creationist grants are being turned down. You can't name one of them?

Like the frauds and fakes that HAVE been discovered, unfortunately for them.

Those aren't used to support the theory of evolution.

 

[amariselle]

"I accept evolution, too"

That part of your statement equates your belief with his, as if they are similar. Particularly when you just got done talking about how all Christians only accept microevolution.

Yes, I was agreeing with him, and then I explained how we perhaps differed in our perspective.

Honestly, what do you find so offensive about that? I am free to hold my own beliefs and opinions, just as everyone else here is.

Oh, and pardon me if I have never heard a Christian say "God didn't create us, we actually came from single celled organisms."

My mistake.

 

[Loudmouth]

I accept evolution too, just not macro evolution or Darwinian evolution.

The majority of Christians do accept macroevolution and Darwinian evolution.

 

[amariselle]

The majority of Christians do accept macroevolution and Darwinian evolution.

The "majority" of Christians believe the Bible, that God created us.

 

[Loudmouth]

macro-evolution claims that genetic information can be added to DNA and that one species can therefore become and entirely different species.

No, it doesn't. Genetic information, as you and other creationists describe it, has never been a part of the theory of macroevolution. It is something creationists have invented whole cloth. Also, macroevolution does not say that one species becomes an entirely different species.

 

[Loudmouth]

The "majority" of Christians believe the Bible, that God created us.

Yes, and they believe God used evolution to create us.

 

[amariselle]

No, it doesn't. Genetic information, as you and other creationists describe it, has never been a part of the theory of macroevolution. It is something creationists have invented whole cloth. Also, macroevolution does not say that one species becomes an entirely different species.

Explain it to me then, clearly you have all the answers.

 

[amariselle]

Yes, and they believe God used evolution to create us.

Not, however, evolution from a common ape-like ancestor, just another animal in the animal kingdom.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Not, however, evolution from a common ape-like ancestor, just another animal in the animal kingdom.

How do you know?

 

[amariselle]

How do you know?

Because the Bible makes how God really created man (and all other life) clear.

We did not come from a single celled organism, (which came from who knows where) which then somehow evolved into increasingly complex life forms, until we ended up with our "common ape-like ancestor", from which point some kind of division took place, with man being the result on one end and all other primates on the other.

God created each species separate and unique. He created unique and distinct plants and animals, each able to produce after their own kind.

And as for mankind? We are not just another animal who shares a "common ancestor" with apes and monkeys. We were created in God's image, which all the other animals were not. In this way we are set apart from all other animals and from everything else in creation.

Darwinian evolution, on the other hand, completely rejects this.

 

[46AND2]

Not, however, evolution from a common ape-like ancestor, just another animal in the animal kingdom.

Yes, man. EXACTLY that. There are more Christians who accept the Theory of Evolution, in the way which scientists describe it, than there are Christians who believe in YEC, according to multiple polls.