The Earth is Flat, and you will prove it.

[Subduction Zone]

I don't know if it can. That is something I have to research..

I don't think that your "research" will be successful.

I took a quick look and cannot find the sites right now but many sea faring vessels in the 1800's noted that they traveled for long periods of time and were not as far as they thought they should have been. Many sank on the horn of Africa believing they were well past it. I wish I could find the quotes from the captains as it did not matter which way they sailed they were always coming up short. This would be the case if they were told that the lines of longitude were to get closer as they converged on the south pole when if fact, maybe, they were continually getting further apart.

You did not understand my point. Travel times are reliable now and directly tied to how far one is away from another city. The air travel times between extreme far southern cities does not match what is predicted by those that accept a UN map version of the flat Earth.

Say's you. Based on what? If it was never debunked it would still considered holding up.





http://21stcenturywire.com/2015/03/...s-they-cant-get-past-van-allen-radiation-belt

Sorry, that foolish video did not support your claims at all. It merely pointed out that there is radiation in the Van Allan Belt. It even said that Orion was shielded. The dangerous radiation that Orion will encounter will be between the Earth and Mars. A Solar Storm can seen massive radiation at the craft and that is why they are really worried about.

 

[The Cadet]

Can you not orbit the flat earth, or can you? Do you know?

How? A satellite that is geostationary would be floating above one point with absolutely no centripetal force to counteract the gravity of the planet. But this is really a problem with the movement as a whole: they don't have anything resembling a coherent model of the earth. There is no flat earth model of reality that actually matches what we observe.

If the earth was flat and they found out and they told the world, what would that do to society? Try to wrap your head around that.

I asked you several times what you thought the answer to this question was, and you keep throwing it back at me. I don't know. I don't think it would be particularly significant, and I think it's a completely irrelevant conspiracy theory. Look, you can do this for literally any insane idea.

"If clouds were made of cotton candy and they found out and they told the world, what would that do to society?"
"If the president was actually a lizard person in a series of different costumes and they found out, what would that do to society?"
"If aliens were real and communicated with the government on a regular basis and they found out and they told the world, what would that do to society?"

That alone is not a reasonable basis for a global conspiracy.

Also, look at all the money they have made with the space program. Is that not motivation enough?

Well, considering that they still have to build those many rockets, and apparently pay not just the wages of countless scientists, but also for them to keep their mouths shut, and for the occasional wetworks operation to kill off the folks who die in "accidents", I don't think their profit margin is particularly large.

Their model shows perfect reasons for the Arctic midnight sun, seasons, time zones etc.

You've ignored every single critique I've brought against their infantile model. There is no flat-earth model that isn't trivially flawed in dozens of ways. I presented two absolutely back-breaking critiques against the one you presented to me earlier in the thread, and you did not respond to any of it, not even to retract your statement that the article is worth looking at! But more to the point, you've ignored what I'm saying here, because...

I hope you do better research than that. In order to argue against a model you should learn the function that the presenter is expressing.

This is your problem. YOU were the one who quoted an article claiming that midnight sun in the arctic on a round earth was impossible, an article that ignored the absolutely basic fact that the earth is at an axial tilt, the same tilt that the globe model says is responsible for the seasons. How do you not know that? How do they not know that?

Many educated and intelligent people are taking a good hard look at the FE theory. It is exploding on the internet. There are thousands of people that are just like me...... observing, reading, questioning.... and many others that are convinced that the earth is not a globe.

This is not going away. It would if there was no merit to the questions that are be put out there.

Actually, I'd say that the flat earth movement is proof positive that movements can stick around long after it's proven that there's absolutely no merit to the questions they ask. The type of intelligent people who think there's a flat earth are the same type of intelligent people who are convinced that there are lizard people running the government and that the earth is 6000 years old. People who are extremely bad at reasoning, or who have a blind spot for a particular ideology. It's the same stupid conspiracy theory trap - dismiss all available evidence as tainted, ignore the rest, and just pretend there is evidence for your theory.

But as said, if you're aiming for rational discussion on this topic, you've failed miserably. You proposed a model. I showed you two different ways in which it very clearly would not work. You then proceeded to completely ignore that and just keep spouting bogus sources. Would you please address my critiques of the model you put forward, or admit that it's not really a workable model? Thanks.

 

[JacksBratt]

I don't think that your "research" will be successful.

You're such an optimist.

You did not understand my point. Travel times are reliable now and directly tied to how far one is away from another city. The air travel times between extreme far southern cities does not match what is predicted by those that accept a UN map version of the flat Earth.

You didn't get my point. There are many examples of ships having to travel much further than the globe earth calculations would predict. Not only in distance but with the calculation of the travel of the sun. It seemed like their "over water" speed was correct but the sun moved much faster and the actual distance they traveled was short.

Sorry, that foolish video did not support your claims at all. It merely pointed out that there is radiation in the Van Allan Belt. It even said that Orion was shielded. The dangerous radiation that Orion will encounter will be between the Earth and Mars. A Solar Storm can seen massive radiation at the craft and that is why they are really worried about.

Are you not aware that the space shuttle went out a wee bit, 300 km's or so and saw lights flashing with their eyes closed? Also that the amount of radiation that has been measured would totally expose any film in any camera?

You're research is not successful.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Are you not aware that the space shuttle went out a wee bit, 300 km's or so and saw lights flashing with their eyes closed? Also that the amount of radiation that has been measured would totally expose any film in any camera?

You're research is not successful.

That is cosmic radiation. And what do you mean "would totally expose any film in any camera?" Given enough time it would expose film. It is not going to happen very rapidly. The human eye responds to the radiation the same way that the film would. And my research has been much more successful than yours. I could answer questions for you. I don't listen to loons, that makes my research much more efficient.

 

[SkyWriting]

Can you tell me the lens they used for this photo? If not, then your argument that this photo shows proof of a curve is void. Imagine, right after telling me that a beautiful, un-distorted picture of mountains 100 miles away is caused by the light being bent. If that was the case it would not appear so crisp. It would be wavy and distorted because the bending would not be uniform.

My picture is void while yours is solid proof...... Doesn't seem like you accept others information with the same tolerance as you expect yours to be.

That's a great point. Generally, photo's are not accepted in court as evidence.

 

[The Cadet]

That's a great point. Generally, photo's are not accepted in court as evidence.

That's actually completely wrong.

http://www.crime-scene-investigator.net/admissibilityofdigital.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forensic_photography#Fit_for_court

 

[SkyWriting]

That's actually completely wrong.
http://www.crime-scene-investigator.net/admissibilityofdigital.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forensic_photography#Fit_for_court

You are right. As long as a photograph
is agreed to be presented by both sides,
or a witness testifies that the photo is accurate with
what they witnessed, it may be presented.

I was objecting to the idea that a photo itself could bring any additional "proof"
to the courtroom. But it can be used to illustrate and support a witness
testimony or illustrate the scene as agree by both parties.
http://www.crime-scene-investigator.net/admissibilityofdigital.html

 

[durangodawood]

What if the Earth is flat AND I'm really just a brain-in-a-vat???
Then what???

 

[SkyWriting]

What if the Earth is flat AND I'm really just a brain-in-a-vat???
Then what???

The fist part is inconsequential, and the second, you might spend a lot of time in chat forums.
Is that the case?

 

[SkyWriting]

Actually, I'd say that the flat earth movement is proof positive that movements can stick around long after it's proven that there's absolutely no merit to the questions they ask. The type of intelligent people who think there's a flat earth are the same type of intelligent people who are convinced that there are lizard people running the government and that the earth is 6000 years old.

Your logical fallacy is ad hominem
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem
Ad hominem attacks can take the form of overtly attacking somebody, or more subtly casting doubt on their character or personal attributes as a way to discredit

 

[durangodawood]

The fist part is inconsequential, and the second, you might spend a lot of time in chat forums.
Is that the case?

Isnt the 2nd part inconsequential too?

 

[durangodawood]

Your logical fallacy is ad hominem
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem
Ad hominem attacks can take the form of overtly attacking somebody, or more subtly casting doubt on their character or personal attributes as a way to discredit

His was not a logical fallacy.
It was a simple insult.

 

[The Cadet]

Your logical fallacy is ad hominem
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem
Ad hominem attacks can take the form of overtly attacking somebody, or more subtly casting doubt on their character or personal attributes as a way to discredit

You're confusing an ad hominem (in which I insult someone to discredit their argument) with an insult (in which I insult someone for no particular reason). And I think it's entirely fair to scorn, mock, and ridicule the flat earth movement. Have you even looked into where the idea of the earth being flat even came from in the first place? It was an insult! The statement "you're so stupid, you believe the earth is flat" actually predated any sort of "flat-earth movement". So yes, I will feel entirely justified in insulting, mocking, and belittling the flat earth movement, because it really takes a breathtaking ignorance of basic science and logic to think that this:

Is how the world actually works.

If you're looking for the actual rebuttals to arguments - a gigantic waste of my time, as neither you nor JacksBratt made any serious attempt to refute them - they're back on pages 9-13.

 

[essentialsaltes]

'I didn't wanna believe it either': Rapper BoB insists the Earth is flat

 

[lasthero]

Also, look at all the money they have made with the space program. Is that not motivation enough?

A) the space program in America doesn't make all that much money in comparison to other programs, and funding is going down.

B) why do you keep talking about it like there's only one space program in the whole world?

 

[[serious]]

'I didn't wanna believe it either': Rapper BoB insists the Earth is flat

haha, I was thinking of posting that too.

 

[SkyWriting]

You're confusing an ad hominem (in which I insult someone to discredit their argument) with an insult (in which I insult someone for no particular reason). And I think it's entirely fair to scorn, mock, and ridicule the flat earth movement.

So is that insulting for no reason or with fair reason?

 

[SkyWriting]

So yes, I will feel entirely justified in insulting, mocking, and belittling the flat earth movement, because it really takes a breathtaking ignorance of basic science and logic to think that this:

No, I covered all that in the OP. 1000 people from around the globe
tested the Landing Strip and declared it flat and level. In Science,
majority thinking rules.

Earth is not only oblate —
wider at the equator than pole-to-pole,
but pear shaped — slightly wider just south of the equator....

 

[[serious]]

No, I covered all that in the OP. 1000 people from around the globe
tested the Landing Strip and declared it flat and level. In Science,
majority thinking rules.

Earth is not only oblate —
wider at the equator than pole-to-pole,
but pear shaped — slightly wider just south of the equator....

They had no instrument to determine if it was flat and level though. They only had marbles, which as i discussed, would only measure level and would have poor enough accuracy they would still read level over the surface even if it was actually flat.

 

[SkyWriting]

They had no instrument to determine if it was flat and level though. They only had marbles, which as i discussed, would only measure level and would have poor enough accuracy they would still read level over the surface even if it was actually flat.

Then we will assume the accuracy was good enough to determine the difference and not bog down in minutia.