The Earth is Flat, and you will prove it.

[SkyWriting]

Well then why are you still getting it wrong?

The OP was not wrong was it?

 

[SkyWriting]

You know what? You're right. You should tell your friends all about how you think the earth is flat.

I have. Thanks for reading and being a friend.

 

[Reasoning]

I'm saying the majority opinion is always still just a collection of opinions.
Your opinion is not the final word.

Except, what I am saying is not my opinion, it is the truth and that's what I care about. I don't care if the earth is flat, round or a hexagon for that matter, and the truth does certainly not care what I like or care about. I just say it's round, because it is round.

 

[Debian Girl]

What is the point of this thread?

I have been wondering myself..

 

[pgp_protector]

Jack, this is a shot of my house with Google Earth. If there are no satellites, what took this picture?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Earth

It maps the Earth by the superimposition of images obtained from satellite imagery, aerial photography and geographic information system (GIS) onto a 3D globe

 

[SkyWriting]

Except, what I am saying is not my opinion, it is the truth and that's what I care about. I don't care if the earth is flat, round or a hexagon for that matter, and the truth does certainly not care what I like or care about. I just say it's round, because it is round.

I say not. I say it changes with each rotation and internal pressures.
I never consider it to be even globe shaped.
The tides alone change it's shape constantly.
What is set in your mind and opinion is not accurate enough for me.
I feel your opinion is outdated and inaccurate.
Your opinion is not the final word. You never mentioned climate.

Most Changes in Earth's Shape Are Due to Changes in Climate

 

[SkyWriting]

I have been wondering myself..

I covered that after being told that a solar eclipse proved a round earth.

 

[SkyWriting]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Earth
It maps the Earth by the superimposition of images obtained from satellite imagery, aerial photography and geographic information system (GIS) onto a 3D globe

Or

 

[JacksBratt]

Your math is terrible. The amount of "tilt" would be less than one degree. Do you think that you can spot that amount of tilt in an irregular object. In fact, let's get more precise. You said 100 miles from the camera. I live in an area where you can see mountains quite a far away and I think that you may be overestimating the distance, but I will still use your figures. At 100 miles away the degree of "tilt" can be calculated quite easily. It will be 100 miles/25,000 miles times 360 degrees in a circle. How about that, I was wrong. The amount of tilt would be roughly 1.4 degrees. I was off by a factor of 2. So do you think that you could spot a 2 degree tilt on an irregular object? I know that I couldn't.

If you gave the mountains and where the photo was taken from I can even tell you how far away you were from them.

I gave the website. It's wiki for Mount Foraker. It is wiki that states that they are 100 miles away.

 

[JacksBratt]

This has been explained already. If your example is even correct, it is the atmosphere that is bending the light. It's a very simple principle in physics.

Oh just wanted to share this beautiful pic of the snowstorm here in NYC, made from the ISS. Pretty round earth no?

Can you tell me the lens they used for this photo? If not, then your argument that this photo shows proof of a curve is void. Imagine, right after telling me that a beautiful, un-distorted picture of mountains 100 miles away is caused by the light being bent. If that was the case it would not appear so crisp. It would be wavy and distorted because the bending would not be uniform.

My picture is void while yours is solid proof...... Doesn't seem like you accept others information with the same tolerance as you expect yours to be.

 

[JacksBratt]

Your math is terrible. The amount of "tilt" would be less than one degree. Do you think that you can spot that amount of tilt in an irregular object. In fact, let's get more precise. You said 100 miles from the camera. I live in an area where you can see mountains quite a far away and I think that you may be overestimating the distance, but I will still use your figures. At 100 miles away the degree of "tilt" can be calculated quite easily. It will be 100 miles/25,000 miles times 360 degrees in a circle. How about that, I was wrong. The amount of tilt would be roughly 1.4 degrees. I was off by a factor of 2. So do you think that you could spot a 2 degree tilt on an irregular object? I know that I couldn't.

If you gave the mountains and where the photo was taken from I can even tell you how far away you were from them.

Less than 2 degrees on the ground. If the barrel of a pistol moves a millimeter how far off the target would the bullet be at 100 yds or even 50. It translates into feet or yards of inaccuracy. If the foundation of a 100 story building is off by 1 inch how far off will the 100th story be. I believe it would be well withing the capabilities of the human eye to detect that error. These mountains should not, in any way shape or form, be fully visible, nor should their lines of rise be perpendicular to the ground at the photo site and they should be leaning away from each other at a degree that would be visible to the human eye.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Less than 2 degrees on the ground. If the barrel of a pistol moves a millimeter how far off the target would the bullet be at 100 yds or even 50. It translates into feet or yards of inaccuracy. If the foundation of a 100 story building is off by 1 inch how far off will the 100th story be. I believe it would be well withing the capabilities of the human eye to detect that error. These mountains should not, in any way shape or form, be fully visible, nor should their lines of rise be perpendicular to the ground at the photo site and they should be leaning away from each other at a degree that would be visible to the human eye.

Sorry, but now you are mixing up your distances and angles. Math is just not one of your talents.

 

[JacksBratt]

Well, here's what I think would happen: they'd publish their research in respectable peer-reviewed journals, we'd laugh as Sputnik crashed to the ground instead of going into orbit, and say, "Stupid commies, didn't know the earth was flat". It would be a stunning revelation, make no mistake, particularly because it's physically impossible in a number of ways and it doesn't take a multibillion dollar space agency to do the tests that demonstrate quite clearly that the earth is not flat, but it wouldn't be a death knell for some monolithic "science". It would just be another way we get better at understanding our reality.

Can you not orbit the flat earth, or can you? Do you know?

What do you think? What do you think the purpose of the conspiracy is? They're hiding the flat earth because...? You asked a lot of questions, but you didn't actually answer mine. You just left them hanging, in typical conspiracy theorist fashion.

If the earth was flat and they found out and they told the world, what would that do to society? Try to wrap your head around that.

Also, look at all the money they have made with the space program. Is that not motivation enough?

Why is the Van Allen belt of radiation such a game stopper for the mars mission, with our technology of today, (they are stumped as to how they are going to stop the astronauts from being irradiated to death) while in 1960's they sent men through it repeatedly with no ill affects?

But that's just it. They don't. You, someone who is apparently only playing devil's advocate, have pointed to several of these questions and they have been not just wrong, but laughably wrong. "If the earth is a globe wouldn't midnight sun on the north pole be impossible?" No, because the earth is at a tilt, which is responsible for the seasons. This question demonstrates an incredible lack of understanding of what the current cosmological model is. Why in the world did you think that was a good question? You held up a page touting this model as though it had some merit:

I hope you do better research than that. In order to argue against a model you should learn the function that the presenter is expressing. Their model shows perfect reasons for the Arctic midnight sun, seasons, time zones etc. But, not midnight sun at the south pole. Your model is a start, however, their model is much more detailed as to the movement of the sun and moon.

Because lemme tell you, if I was this wrong about something, I'd spend a whole lot of time wondering what else I was wrong about, because it takes a seriously broken filter to be this wrong.

Many educated and intelligent people are taking a good hard look at the FE theory. It is exploding on the internet. There are thousands of people that are just like me...... observing, reading, questioning.... and many others that are convinced that the earth is not a globe.

This is not going away. It would if there was no merit to the questions that are be put out there.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Can you not orbit the flat earth, or can you? Do you know?

If you want to claim that something can orbit the flat Earth you need to explain the physics of it. We can explain the physics of an object that orbits the Earth.

If the earth was flat and they found out and they told the world, what would that do to society? Try to wrap your head around that.

Not too much. Though people that lived in the southern hemisphere would be very confused about their air travel times.

Also, look at all the money they have made with the space program. Is that not motivation enough?

Nope. Conspiracies of that order do not hold up.

Why is the Van Allen belt of radiation such a game stopper for the mars mission, with our technology of today, (they are stumped as to how they are going to stop the astronauts from being irradiated to death) while in 1960's they sent men through it repeatedly with no ill affects?

It isn't. Where did you get that idea from?

I hope you do better research than that. In order to argue against a model you should learn the function that the presenter is expressing. Their model shows perfect reasons for the Arctic midnight sun, seasons, time zones etc. But, not midnight sun at the south pole. Your model is a start, however, their model is much more detailed as to the movement of the sun and moon.

You are kidding us, right?

Many educated and intelligent people are taking a good hard look at the FE theory. It is exploding on the internet. There are thousands of people that are just like me...... observing, reading, questioning.... and many others that are convinced that the earth is not a globe.

This is not going away. It would if there was no merit to the questions that are be put out there.

This confirms it. You are joking. Thanks for telling me. It has been fun playing.

 

[JacksBratt]

Sorry, but now you are mixing up your distances and angles. Math is just not one of your talents.

Distance and angles are math. If a buildings foundation is 2 degrees higher on the north side than the south side, the building will lean to the south. This lean will be magnified with every floor added to the building. Eventually the angle will cause the north side of the building, at the top floor, to be further south than the south wall at the foundation. The building will then fall over.

The leaning tower of Pisa has a lean of 5.5 degrees. It is 55 or 56 meters tall (this depends on which side as the builders started making one side taller than the other to avoid it from falling over). In that 55 meters it is leaning 4.5 meters or 15 feet.

If my calculations are right, I'm sure you'll check, a building with a foundation 1.5 degrees from level will tip 3 feet at a height of 138 feet. 3 feet at 138 feet would mean that a mountain would tip much further. This would be math. The deviation would be quite visible to the naked eye. 3 feet at 138 would be visible.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Distance and angles are math. If a buildings foundation is 2 degrees higher on the north side than the south side, the building will lean to the south. This lean will be magnified with every floor added to the building. Eventually the angle will cause the north side of the building, at the top floor, to be further south than the south wall at the foundation. The building will then fall over.

The leaning tower of Pisa has a lean of 5.5 degrees. It is 55 or 56 meters tall (this depends on which side as the builders started making one side taller than the other to avoid it from falling over). In that 55 meters it is leaning 4.5 meters or 15 feet.

If my calculations are right, I'm sure you'll check, a building with a foundation 1.5 degrees from level will tip 3 feet at a height of 138 feet. 3 feet at 138 feet would mean that a mountain would tip much further. This would be math. The deviation would be quite visible to the naked eye. 3 feet at 138 would be visible.

Buildings, or towers, tend to be constructed with straight lines. If you want to compare those mountains to a building you should compare them to a one story house at the most. In that case a two degree tilt may be noticeable, but only because it has straight vertical walls. That is not the case with mountains. Find a better analogy.

 

[lasthero]

Many educated and intelligent people are taking a good hard look at the FE theory.

This is just factually untrue.

There's a very, very small minority of scientists who give it any thought whatsoever, for or against. Go on Google Scholar and see how many articles you can find seriously talking about it.

It is exploding on the internet.

No, it's not.

I did a Goolge Trend search for the 'flat earth', along with Betty Page (an obscure pin up star from the 60), pogs (a game that was popular for about a week in the 90s), the macarena, and Green Acres (an old show from the 60s) 'Flat Earth' is currently trending under all of them exept Betty Page, and even she was more popular on average.

There are thousands of people that are just like me...... observing, reading, questioning.... and many others that are convinced that the earth is not a globe.

This is likely true, but it hardly means much. There are thousands of people who seriously believe that the government is run by alien reptoids.

 

[[serious]]

Sure there is. I have one level. It is so long it circles the earth and forms a ring connected on both ends.

Every person on earth walks over to it with their cell phone and they all
talk to each other and confirm that it's flat and level.

And in science, majority rules.

Level =/= flat

 

[[serious]]

The OP was not wrong was it?

yes, it was wrong. flat =/= level

 

[JacksBratt]

If you want to claim that something can orbit the flat Earth you need to explain the physics of it. We can explain the physics of an object that orbits the Earth.

I don't know if it can. That is something I have to research..

Not too much. Though people that lived in the southern hemisphere would be very confused about their air travel times.

I took a quick look and cannot find the sites right now but many sea faring vessels in the 1800's noted that they traveled for long periods of time and were not as far as they thought they should have been. Many sank on the horn of Africa believing they were well past it. I wish I could find the quotes from the captains as it did not matter which way they sailed they were always coming up short. This would be the case if they were told that the lines of longitude were to get closer as they converged on the south pole when if fact, maybe, they were continually getting further apart.

Nope. Conspiracies of that order do not hold up.

Say's you. Based on what? If it was never debunked it would still considered holding up.

It isn't. Where did you get that idea from?

http://21stcenturywire.com/2015/03/...s-they-cant-get-past-van-allen-radiation-belt