The dilemma of being a Catholic Democrat

[InfinityandBeyond]

Yes, but realistically he isn't going to win the nomination.

Although I agree with most of his ideas, he's about 74 and from what I've learned in school and from relatives dementia starts to set in around 75. So I'm not sure I would feel comfortable voting for him knowing that.

 

[MikeK]

....it's that no one (not even foreign countries that do business with us) can have respect for the office again (or tell if someone is lying or not.)

Do you condemn the choice of every US President who has been caught in a demonstrable lie?

...because I don't think you do.

 

[Protoevangel]

from what I've learned in school and from relatives dementia starts to set in around 75.

 

[AMDG]

The Constitution Party Platforum

This is the party. I agree with them on most issues. Although, they are little 'different', to be sure.

I agree. I can actually "stomach" them.

 

[Antigone]

Although I agree with most of his ideas, he's about 74 and from what I've learned in school and from relatives dementia starts to set in around 75.

Not necessarily. My grandmother's dementia didn't set in until she was approaching the age of ninety. My boyfriend's grandmother, at age 90, is still completely lucid. By contrast, the mother of a former classmate of mine was in her late forties when she first began to show symptoms.

The latter is known as early-onset Alzheimers and it can start as early 15, but mostly starts around 50.

 

[MikeK]

The latter is known as early-onset Alzheimers and it can start as early 15, but mostly starts around 50.

I've detected some demetia around these parts.

 

[Cosmic Charlie]

It's not about doing anything in his private life, it's about lying to the American people, under oath *and* disgracing the office. That's an impeachable offence! It is even more of a problem than Teddy Kennedy's "I let that girl drown in the back seat of my car while I escaped". In one the personal instance, the person is going to have to answer to God. It's none of my business However in the lying under oath and disgracing the presidential office, it's that no one (not even foreign countries that do business with us) can have respect for the office again (or tell if someone is lying or not.)

As far as marijuana. It's illegal here. As to cocaine. It is illegal here as well--a felony offense (although Obama laughingly admits to "doing a little blow" too--it seems that like so many, you didn't read his book Dreams From My Father.)

Anyway, I tend to agree with Penn Teller's rant. He notes that Obama wouldn't be laughing about it, if he had been caught. He wouldn't even have had a chance to go to those prestigious schools. He'd be cooling his heels in prison!

Well yeah...

...but Bush smoked crack.

Everybody said so.

I mean all a EVER heard during his administration was stuff like:

"Bush says the Iran war will pay for itself"
"Yeah, well, Bush smokes crack"

"Bush says American want to have Social Security privatized"
"Yeah, well, Bush smokes crack"

"Bush says that Wall Street can regulate itself and there is no need for the regulation of credit default swaps"
"What the heck is a credit default swap ? Anyway it doesn't matter because Bush smokes crack"


You know, like that.

 

[Virgil the Roman]

Well yeah...

...but Bush smoked crack.

Everybody said so.

I mean all a EVER heard during his administration was stuff like:

"Bush says the Iran war will pay for itself"
"Yeah, well, Bush smokes crack"

"Bush says American want to have Social Security privatized"
"Yeah, well, Bush smokes crack"

"Bush says that Wall Street can regulate itself and there is no need for the regulation of credit default swaps"
"What the heck is a credit default swap ? Anyway it doesn't matter because Bush smokes crack"


You know, like that.

That's because he probably did . . . How else did we get into those illegal, unjust, unconstitutional wars in Iraq and Afghanistan?! Or pass the Patriot Act . . . ?!

 

[Antigone]

That's because he probably did . . . How else did we get into those illegal, unjust, unconstitutional wars in Iraq and Afghanistan?! Or pass the Patriot Act . . . ?!

See, everybody thinks he went after those countries for oil, but they grow a lot of poppies in Afghanistan...

 

[AMDG]

Well yeah...

...but Bush smoked crack.

Everybody said so.

But it's not a matter of "everybody said so". Obama admitted in his book to not only smoking marijuana (jail time) but to also doing cocaine. I don't recall Bush admitting to committing a felony. (That's what "a little blow" is--a felony.)

 

[Gxg (G²)]

Wouldn't that mean one is simply on the edge if they're within a party and yet disagree? Would that be a bad thing?

 

[Fantine]

I am so sorry that the existence of Catholic Democrats creates a dilemma for you--but it's your dilemma, not ours.

 

[MikeK]

I respect people who speak candidly of the indiscretions of their youth.

 

[MKJ]

Well yeah...

...but Bush smoked crack.

Everybody said so.

I mean all a EVER heard during his administration was stuff like:

"Bush says the Iran war will pay for itself"
"Yeah, well, Bush smokes crack"

"Bush says American want to have Social Security privatized"
"Yeah, well, Bush smokes crack"

"Bush says that Wall Street can regulate itself and there is no need for the regulation of credit default swaps"
"What the heck is a credit default swap ? Anyway it doesn't matter because Bush smokes crack"


You know, like that.

I would be very, very surprised if George Bush didn't do some pretty illegal drugs. Crack seems like it might be a bit low-rent for him, but absolutely I think he did cocaine.

 

[MikeK]

I would be very, very surprised if George Bush didn't do some pretty illegal drugs. Crack seems like it might be a bit low-rent for him, but absolutely I think he did cocaine.

He was a richnkid Ivy League party-boy, of course he did coke. There is a lot I didn't like about him, but the fact that he likely used drugs as a teen or young adult isn't among them. I do wish he would have answered the question straight up instead of dodging it though.

 

[AMDG]

I would be very, very surprised if George Bush didn't do some pretty illegal drugs. Crack seems like it might be a bit low-rent for him, but absolutely I think he did cocaine.

The difference is that Obama is proud of his illegal activity. As Dr. Martin Luther King's niece, Alveda King, has said Obama has never admitted to doing some stupid things as a youth and gone on and changed the pattern.

 

[MikeK]

The difference is that Obama is proud of his illegal activity. As Dr. Martin Luther King's niece, Alveda King, has said Obama has never admitted to doing some stupid things as a youth and gone on and changed the pattern.

The difference is that Obama choose to be honest.

I work with a guy who's niece is a big REO Speedwagon fan.

 

[Genersis]

A person admitting some thing they did without saying they're ashamed of it does not mean they're proud of it.

 

[InfinityandBeyond]

But it's not a matter of "everybody said so". Obama admitted in his book to not only smoking marijuana (jail time) but to also doing cocaine. I don't recall Bush admitting to committing a felony. (That's what "a little blow" is--a felony.)

In certain states isn't a DUI a felony? He had one of those.

 

[AMDG]

In certain states isn't a DUI a felony?

Depends. Some are some are not, in fact most aren't (Bush's wasn't, it was by his parents, Bush paid a fine and his license was tempoarily suspended.) However cocaine use *is*a felony and depending on the on the circumstances--can be everything to from "class C" to "class A".

Obama's bragging only goes to encouage more drug use once Obama's book about it is read and the youth find out. (Though I'm not sure why folks didn't read his book before the 2008 election.) I still agree with Penn of Penn and Teller (who is a spokesman for medical marijuana). Obama was lucky, darn lucky he wasn't caught. Marijuana *and* cocaine? Sometimes Obama admitted that his gang did it in a vehicle--sometimes on the beach. Just one time of being caught within a 1000 feet of a school and it wouldn't be a laughing matter at all!