Yeah witnessed by so many that the Jewish Religion kept on going and Christianity pretty much only gained converts outside of the land the events took place in.
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Yeah witnessed by so many that the Jewish Religion kept on going and Christianity pretty much only gained converts outside of the land the events took place in.
They believe in "good" which can't be proven either, it's only when we call it God that they are suddenly stricken with rationalism.
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Einstein found the cosmological data to be objective evidence for a God. He became a diest, though he never accepted the idea of a personal God.
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The Jews are still theologically segregated today, proud people, and their Messiah is MIA. The religion of Jesus is very different than Judaism, they would not or could not accept the teachings of Jesus.
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So he's a Jewish Messiah sent by God to fulfill Jewish Prophecy but uh... didn't actually do much of anything for the Jews. That totally... doesn't make any sense at all.
To Atheist Einstein is just one that got away.
No, he's not. The only time Atheists care about Einstein's views on religion is when people try to claim him as either a Religious Jew or a Religious Christian. Call him a Deist, Agnostic or Atheist and no one cares.
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"The Stone the builders rejected...." That's right, Jesus being rejected was part of the prophecy.
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Jesus, the creator Son, came for all mankind, giving his life as a spiritual contribution to mans inner experience. The Jews erroneous ideas about what the predicted Son would do was a problem of their own making.
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Psalm 118 is not typically considered part of any prophecy but more a national song from Babylonian Exile.*
At least not until revisionist history happened and it get retrofitted.
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So God didn't foresee this chosen people that he'd made all those covenants with were going to screw it all up in the end?
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Proof of this? I see people making these kinds of assertions all the time, but it's almost always hearsay.
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Something to do with the song making total sense as something written and sung by Jews during and post Exile as their deliverance from said exile without any prophecy needed at all. Yet it also makes great bait to be retro-fitted and reused later in time to fit the story of Jesus. There are multiple possible interpretations of any given Psalm and you either have to come at it with "how does this fit into the time it would appear to have been written in" or from the angle of "how can I make this prove Jesus."
There's also the nagging problem that all the parts that are "prophecy" are written in the "this already happened" tense.
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That's a good question, God is already at the end. If the Jews would have interpreted things more along the lines of a spiritual kingdom rather than material, then they would have had a different expectation of the Messiah. But the Hebrew writers and redactors disastrously over estimated themselves and their purpose.
There was one basic agreement with Abraham then some murky fortune telling among the prophets. Beyond that the OT is a mess.
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There is virtually no evidence from outside of the Bible itself that corroborates the Bible. If there was a book that said Scipio Africanus "totally kicked butt and took names in a land far to the west across the ocean and brought back huge spoils of war with a fleet 1,000 ships strong" and *no other writings corroborated that, there was no evidence of an injection of treasury funds etc... we would not consider it a trust worthy source.
The Bible suffers from that "no one else corroborates any of this" problem.
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