The difficulty of talking to Atheist

[Colter]

So they identify authors yet the author(s) of the source remains anonymous. My skeptical alarm is ringng.

The celestial authors of the Papers are included, but I doubt that's going to turn of your skeptical alarm.

 

[bhsmte]

The Urantia Papers claim to be "revelation". It has a vast content including the entire life and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth from birth to death and resurrection.

That's nice and all, but do you have a link to the folks who make the claim of knowing the authors of the gospels?

I would like to check their evidence and justification in how they have identified authors, since it goes against the majority opinion of NT scholars and historians. Are these people legit NT historians?

If you don't have a link, or the support I am looking for, just say so.

 

[Colter]

That's nice and all, but do you have a link to the folks who make the claim of knowing the authors of the gospels?

I would like to check their evidence and justification in how they have identified authors, since it goes against the majority opinion of NT scholars and historians. Are these people legit NT historians?

If you don't have a link, or the support I am looking for, just say so.

There is no evidence, I only have a link to the revelation itself. The only thing NT scholars and historians have to work with is the writings that survived up until the age of higher criticism.

 

[bhsmte]

There is no evidence, I only have a link to the revelation itself. The only thing NT scholars and historians have to work with is the writings that survived up until the age of higher criticism.

No evidence, just revelation?

Ok, thanks.

 

[Loudmouth]

The same way you can know any other work of ancient literature that intends to give a record of historical events is accurate in what it records for one.

Then the Bible fails. It doesn't have third parties or disinterested parties that back it up.

 

[BL2KTN]

It would appear that a random game between the Washington Wizards and the Seattle Supersonics in the 1980s is better recorded than Yahweh's divine commands for all human life.

 

[PsychoSarah]

This is true. But you will be hard-pressed to find people willing to die for something they know is false. Which is exactly what you think the early martyrs did.

No, I do think those people believed that stuff.

 

[PsychoSarah]

I get your point. I have 3 kids, as a parent I've come to see the wisdom in not doing my kids homework for them or sparing them from important learning experiences. I do it because I love them. But I also get frustrated with the way God runs the universe, then I calm down and trust that those things which I don't understand in time, I will come to understand in eternity.

Jesus said "follow me"

There are countless other self-proclaimed messiahs who said similar things.

 

[Colter]

There are countless other self-proclaimed messiahs who said similar things.

Yea but none of the other Messiahs did what Jesus did and frankly still does as he fosters the church that bears his name.

 

[bhsmte]

Yea but none of the other Messiahs did what Jesus did and frankly still does as he fosters the church that bears his name.

What does Jesus do to foster the church and how do you know what you claim is true?

 

[keith99]

Yea but none of the other Messiahs did what Jesus did and frankly still does as he fosters the church that bears his name.

There are many who made similar claims with similar evidence to back up those claims.

In most cases regarding Christ the only difference is the speaker happens to believe the set of claims.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Yea but none of the other Messiahs did what Jesus did and frankly still does as he fosters the church that bears his name.

I guarantee you there are other messiahs claimed to have been brought back from the dead, healed people, etc

 

[Aldebaran]

I guarantee you there are other messiahs claimed to have been brought back from the dead, healed people, etc

Are there historical documents showing they existed in the first place?

 

[Aureus]

Are there historical documents showing they existed in the first place?

Are there any for...

Oh right, you probably think the bible counts.

 

[Aldebaran]

Are there any for...

Oh right, you probably think the bible counts.

Innocent unless proven guilty.....

 

[bhsmte]

Innocent unless proven guilty.....

More like, not believing it happened, until you can prove it did.

 

[Aldebaran]

More like, not believing it happened, until you can prove it did.

There's enough proof, if you're willing to accept it.

 

[bhsmte]

There's enough proof, if you're willing to accept it.

You mean, if I have the psychological need, to believe something, without objective evidence.

Many do, I don't.

 

[Colter]

There are many who made similar claims with similar evidence to back up those claims.

In most cases regarding Christ the only difference is the speaker happens to believe the set of claims.

Well only one did it well enough to have been witnessed by many, written about and went on to change the Western world. In fact he is still present today in spirit born believers.

 

[Aureus]

Innocent unless proven guilty.....

Total lack of secular sources.... glaring contradictions and inconsistency in its own account and contradictions concerning general historical facts during the period its set in...

yep, pretty guilty.