The difficulty of talking to Atheist

Syd the Human · Sep 24, 2014

Aldebaran said:
With buddies like Satan, who needs enemies?

True, he is so nice and loving to everyone who wouldn't want to just be friends? He's all about peace, equality, and caring about others. :-D

"I destroy my enemies when I make them my friends."

Aldebaran · Sep 24, 2014

Syd the Human said:
True, he is so nice and loving to everyone who wouldn't want to just be friends? He's all about peace, equality, and caring about others. :-D

"I destroy my enemies when I make them my friends."

I hope you don't try to "destroy" Charles Manson.

Syd the Human · Sep 24, 2014

Aldebaran said:
I hope you don't try to "destroy" Charles Manson.

Charles Manson wanted to be part of the division in the world, he was preparing for the "race war". Satan would have set him straight and all would be well :-D

Colter · Sep 24, 2014

Belk said:
That's cool. Me and my atheist buddy Satan can hang out and cook smores.

We could make a movie about you two, we will call it "Dead and Dead-er"

Aldebaran · Sep 24, 2014

Colter said:
We could make a movie about you two, we will call it "Dead and Dead-er"

Colter · Sep 24, 2014

Outbreak of the Rebellion

"The Lucifer manifesto was issued at the annual conclave of Satania on the sea of glass, in the presence of the assembled hosts of Jerusem, on the last day of the year, about two hundred thousand years ago, Urantia time. Satan proclaimed that worship could be accorded the universal forces physical, intellectual, and spiritual but that allegiance could be acknowledged only to the actual and present ruler, Lucifer, the friend of men and angels and the God of liberty.

Self-assertion was the battle cry of the Lucifer rebellion. One of his chief arguments was that, if self-government was good and right for the Melchizedeks and other groups, it was equally good for all orders of intelligence. He was bold and persistent in the advocacy of the equality of mind and the brotherhood of intelligence. He maintained that all government should be limited to the local planets and their voluntary confederation into the local systems. All other supervision he disallowed. He promised the Planetary Princes that they should rule the worlds as supreme executives. He denounced the location of legislative activities on the constellation headquarters and the conduct of judicial affairs on the universe capital. He contended that all these functions of government should be concentrated on the system capitals and proceeded to set up his own legislative assembly and organized his own tribunals under the jurisdiction of Satan. And he directed that the princes on the apostate worlds do the same.

The entire administrative cabinet of Lucifer went over in a body and were sworn in publicly as the officers of the administration of the new head of the liberated worlds and systems.

While there had been two previous rebellions in Nebadon, they were in distant constellations. Lucifer held that these insurrections were unsuccessful because the majority of the intelligences failed to follow their leaders. He contended that majorities rule, that mind is infallible. The freedom allowed him by the universe rulers apparently sustained many of his nefarious contentions. He defied all his superiors; yet they apparently took no note of his doings. He was given a free hand to prosecute his seductive plan without let or hindrance.

All the merciful delays of justice Lucifer pointed to as evidence of the inability of the government of the Paradise Sons to stop the rebellion. He would openly defy and arrogantly challenge Michael, Immanuel, and the Ancients of Days and then point to the fact that no action ensued as positive evidence of the impotency of the universe and the superuniverse governments.

Gabriel was personally present throughout all these disloyal proceedings and only announced that he would, in due time, speak for Michael, and that all beings would be left free and unmolested in their choice; that the government of the Sons for the Father desired only that loyalty and devotion which was voluntary, wholehearted, and sophistry-proof.

Lucifer was permitted fully to establish and thoroughly to organize his rebel government before Gabriel made any effort to contest the right of secession or to counterwork the rebel propaganda. But the Constellation Fathers immediately confined the action of these disloyal personalities to the system of Satania. Nevertheless, this period of delay was a time of great trial and testing to the loyal beings of all Satania. All was chaotic for a few years, and there was great confusion on the mansion worlds." UB 1955

Belk · Sep 24, 2014

Colter said:
We could make a movie about you two, we will call it "Dead and Dead-er"

To derivative. How about "Laughably silly claims"?

Colter · Sep 24, 2014

Belk said:
To derivative. How about "Laughably silly claims"?

Silly claims? You live on a ball of hot rock sandwiched between a thin crust and poison space, out on the fringe of the Milky Way, in the middle of nowhere. What is your standard for normal?

Syd the Human · Sep 24, 2014

Colter said:
Silly claims? You live on a ball of hot rock sandwiched between a thin crust and poison space, out on the fringe of the Milky Way, in the middle of nowhere. What is your standard for normal?

I am having a bit of trouble figuring out what you mean. By "ball of hot rock" (meaning the inside molten part of the Earth) with a "thin crust" (the part of Earth that life lives upon), how are we sandwiched between the "ball of hot rock" and the "thin crust" when we will on top of the "thin crust"?

Or am I getting you all wrong?

And for the rest, our standard of normal is indeed living on Earth. That's the only thing we have ever known...ever...unless you count the space missions but I would not call that "living" in space but more as visiting space.

Belk · Sep 24, 2014

Colter said:
Silly claims? You live on a ball of hot rock sandwiched between a thin crust and poison space, out on the fringe of the Milky Way, in the middle of nowhere. What is your standard for normal?

Does the hyperbole help?

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dac2015 · Sep 24, 2014

Loudmouth said:
That's strange. It was the failed prophecies that played a part in convincing me that christianity was wrong. Isaiah 7 "Then Isaiah said, Hear now, you house of David! Is it not enough to try the patience of humans? Will you try the patience of my God also? 14Therefore the Lord himself will give youc a sign: The virgind will conceive and give birth to a son, ande will call him Immanuel.f15He will be eating curds and honey when he knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right, 16for before the boy knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right, the land of the two kings you dread will be laid waste. " Jesus never laid those lands to waste. He failed to fulfill the prophecies. I have found that a huge majority of the prophecies that christians claim Jesus fulfilled are like this one, a tiny bit of prophecy fulfilled amongst a massive amount of prophecy that was not fulfilled. It is no accident that the Jews are still waiting for their Messiah. What early christians did was fake the prophecies they wouldn't have to present evidence for. It is pretty obvious that Jesus did not conquer the lands he was supposed to, so just ignore that one. However, we can claim that Jesus was born of a virgin, and no one can challenge us on that one. Let's put that one in. You don't have to look that hard.

Lol a lot of times with this type of rejection, it's not a mind problem it's a heart problem. I'll be prayin for ya man. And btw Ephraim was laid waste..

Colter · Sep 24, 2014

Syd the Human said:
I am having a bit of trouble figuring out what you mean. By "ball of hot rock" (meaning the inside molten part of the Earth) with a "thin crust" (the part of Earth that life lives upon), how are we sandwiched between the "ball of hot rock" and the "thin crust" when we will on top of the "thin crust"?

Or am I getting you all wrong?

And for the rest, our standard of normal is indeed living on Earth. That's the only thing we have ever known...ever...unless you count the space missions but I would not call that "living" in space but more as visiting space.

Sandwiched between the crust and space. Yes the ball of hot rock is the earth.

bhsmte · Sep 24, 2014

dac2015 said:
Lol a lot of times with this type of rejection, it's not a mind problem it's a heart problem. I'll be prayin for ya man. And btw Ephraim was laid waste..

No, it is a mind problem. He can't reconcile the story as being credible in his mind and I am the same way.

If you can and it works for you, than good for you.

Loudmouth · Sep 24, 2014

dac2015 said:
Lol a lot of times with this type of rejection, it's not a mind problem it's a heart problem.

And btw Ephraim was laid waste..

Jesus didn't lay waste to any lands.

dac2015 · Sep 24, 2014

Loudmouth said:
Jesus didn't lay waste to any lands.

Yea but God the father did.

Loudmouth · Sep 24, 2014

dac2015 said:
Yea but God the father did.

Then Jesus didn't fulfill the prophecies.

dac2015 · Sep 24, 2014

Loudmouth said:
Then Jesus didn't fulfill the prophecies.

That portion of scripture doesn't say that Jesus is going to do it. It just says that he's gonna be conceived of a virgin. But it says The Lord which is referring to God the father here, is going to do that to these lands. Verse 14 and verse 17 is what signifies that when it says The Lord it's talking about God. "Therefore The Lord himself shall give you a sign" Jesus is gonna send a sign of himself?

Syd the Human · Sep 24, 2014

Colter said:
Sandwiched between the crust and space. Yes the ball of hot rock is the earth.

Thank you, sorry I got confused. But, why is that strange? It is all humanity has ever known, it's like saying, "Don't you think it's weird that we have to breathe air?"

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