The Difference between Daniel`s 70th Week and the Tribulation.

[nolidad]

Hi nolidad,

I was actually pointing out God`s purpose for each.

Marilyn.

Ok. My bad!

 

[nolidad]

No, it doesn't, agreed. The only mention of the false prophet is in Revelation and even then it is for the second half of the 7 years.

So where do I come up with my position? It is because the false prophet performs miracles, like Elijah of calling fire down from heaven. And in Judaism, part of their belief is that the messiah will anointed the King of Israel by a known prophet, same as Saul and David by Samuel, and Solomon by Nathan.

The person you are calling the Antichrist, would be more appropriately called the arch villain of the end times because of the many roles he goes through. Being the King of Israel is the Antichrist role.

Differently, being the little horn, and then later the beast in Revelation, the person is the 7th and 8th king of Revelation 17:10-11, of the Roman Empire in the end times. Definitely no longer the King of Israel, when he becomes the beast.

Sorry, but He is not anointed by the false prophet! Shortly after the antichrists resurrection, He enters the temple and deeclares Himself Messiah- the bible says the false prophet causes an image to speak, but no where is it even implied that Israel accepts this false prophet as a prophet nor the Antichrist as messiah!

Well He does come from some form of the Roman Empire (whether of Daniel 9 time, Jesus time, or the end times time we don't know) but He is a small runt who rises to world power by defeating 3 of the ten world rulers of the day! He does this in the first seal and is world ruler. He has to be in order to sign a 7 year enforcable treaty with Israel that starts the 70th week!

 

[Marilyn C]

Are you claiming there will be those who are not a part of the Church, in the passage above?

Most Dispensationalists talk about Two Peoples of God, but you have invented Three Peoples of God.


Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

In the passage below we find that the promise to the Old Testament Saints is the same as ours.

Heb 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
Heb 11:14 For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.
Heb 11:15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
Heb 11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.


In the passage below Christ tells Nicodemus that nobody will inherit the Kingdom of God, without being "born-again" of the Spirit of God. This would include the Old Testament Saints.

Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.


We find below that even the Old Testament Saints were indwelled with the Spirit.

Isa 63:11 Then he remembered the days of old, Moses, and his people, saying, Where is he that brought them up out of the sea with the shepherd of his flock? where is he that put his holy Spirit within him?


Luk 1:67 And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying,


These passages kill your Three Peoples of God invention.

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Hi BABerean,

Not so fast there, bro. Let`s have a closer look at God`s word.

1. You say that the promise of the OT saints is the same as ours, quoting Heb. 11: 13 - 15, however if you read to the end of the chapter you will see that our inheritance is different.

`God having provided something better for us...` (Heb. 11: 40)

2. Jerusalem above. Jerusalem is made up of TWO parts, as God`s word tell us - Mount Zion on His holy mountain, and the city further down.

`Great is the Lord, and greatly to be praised in the CITY of our God, in His HOLY MOUNTAIN. Beautiful in elevation, the joy of the whole earth is MOUNT ZION on the sides of the north, the CITY of the great king.` (Ps. 48: 1 & 2)

In the heavenly realms Mount Zion is in the angelic realm, the third heaven. This is where the Lord`s throne is and where the Body of Christ will rule. ( Heb. 12: 22 & 23, Rev. 3: 21) Then we see the city part of Jerusalem coming down out of the third heaven, to near the earth. This is the promised inheritance for the OT saints. (Heb. 11: 13 - 15)

Thus we read of the Body of Christ, the OT saints and the nations.

The Third heaven - the Body of Christ on Mount Zion. (Heb. 12: 22 & 23, Rev. 3: 21)
The Universal realm - the OT saints in the city. (Heb. 11: 13 - 15)
The earth - the nations. (Rev. 21: 24)

God`s word is very detailed, and we should be very careful as to what we believe for that involves believing and trusting the Lord for our inheritance.

Marilyn.

 

[Douggg]

Sorry, but He is not anointed by the false prophet! Shortly after the antichrists resurrection, He enters the temple and deeclares Himself Messiah- the bible says the false prophet causes an image to speak, but no where is it even implied that Israel accepts this false prophet as a prophet nor the Antichrist as messiah!

"The messiah" is the King of Israel, that's the role.

Mark 15:
30 Save thyself, and come down from the cross.

31 Likewise also the chief priests mocking said among themselves with the scribes, He saved others; himself he cannot save.

32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.

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The person is not resurrected. He comes back to life, but his body is never buried. So he will only be dead a few days.

Isaiah 14:

18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house. [what that verse is saying is that famous kings have fancy tombs]

19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.

20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned. [the person is not going a get a big fancy tomb, because he is brought back alive before being placed in a memorial tomb]

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Basically the person starts as the democratic leader of the EU (King of the Roman empire). Then for a stint is the Antichrist (the King of Israel), who betrays the Jews, and ends up becoming the beast, dictator leader of the EU (King of the Roman empire).

 

[BABerean2]

Not so fast there, bro. Let`s have a closer look at God`s word.

1. You say that the promise of the OT saints is the same as ours, quoting Heb. 11: 13 - 15, however if you read to the end of the chapter you will see that our inheritance is different.

`God having provided something better for us...` (Heb. 11: 40)

Ripping one verse out of its context to prove your Three Peoples of God doctrine falls apart when the whole passage is viewed below.


Heb 11:32 And what more shall I say? For the time would fail me to tell of Gideon and Barak and Samson and Jephthah, also of David and Samuel and the prophets:
Heb 11:33 who through faith subdued kingdoms, worked righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions,
Heb 11:34 quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, became valiant in battle, turned to flight the armies of the aliens.
Heb 11:35 Women received their dead raised to life again. Others were tortured, not accepting deliverance, that they might obtain a better resurrection.
Heb 11:36 Still others had trial of mockings and scourgings, yes, and of chains and imprisonment.
Heb 11:37 They were stoned, they were sawn in two, were tempted, were slain with the sword. They wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins, being destitute, afflicted, tormented—
Heb 11:38 of whom the world was not worthy. They wandered in deserts and mountains, in dens and caves of the earth.
Heb 11:39 And all these, having obtained a good testimony through faith, did not receive the promise,
Heb 11:40 God having provided something better for us, that they should not be made perfect apart from us.


If you claim Hebrews 11:15-16 says the opposite as Hebrews 11:40, your interpretation cannot be correct.
The author of the Book of Hebrews did not contradict himself.

The context of the passage reveals the Old Testament Saints died without receiving the promise.
However, their time is coming at the return of Christ, and their perfection will not occur apart from us.

The passage says the exact opposite of what you are claiming.


Heb 12:22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels,

Your attempts to segregate New Jerusalem into separate parts in an attempt to prove your Three Peoples of God doctrine are ridiculous.
Do you think Christ will have to take turns visiting three different groups during the eternal state?
The verse above kills your effort.

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[nolidad]

The person is not resurrected. He comes back to life, but his body is never buried. So he will only be dead a few days.

Yes he is! Resurrection is ana-stasis or a standing again. has nothing to do with whther one is buried or not.

"The messiah" is the King of Israel, that's the role.

And Israel does not recognize HIm as such- especially as He declares genocide against Israel! and Israel doesn't recognize the office of the false prophet either- so it is a usurpation that Israel does not accept.

 

[eleos1954]

Hi BobRyan,

Easy to say, harder to prove.

Marilyn.

Something that has happened is history (unchangeable), something that not has happened is future ... there is no in-between or "breaks" ... that is a fact and does not have to be proven.

God knows the beginning to the end ... continuous.

 

[Douggg]

And Israel does not recognize HIm as such- especially as He declares genocide against Israel! and Israel doesn't recognize the office of the false prophet either- so it is a usurpation that Israel does not accept.

Initially, the Jews will not think the false prophet is a false prophet, but Elijah.

The Antichrist person is the another that Jesus referred to in John 5:
43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

It isn't until the Antichrist betrays the Jews by doing the transgression of desolation act in 2Thessalonians2:4, that the Jews reject him as continuing as their King of Israel.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

jgr said: ↑
Hi Marilyn,
What does "outworked atonement" mean?

Hi jgr,
Let`s see what God says -
`Rejoice, O gentiles, with His people, for He will avenge the blood of His servants, and render vengeance to His adversaries; He will provide atonement for His LAND and His PEOPLE.` (Deut. 32: 43)

We both know that the Lord paid the price for sin upon the cross. That is one aspect of atonement. Then there is the `avenging & vengeance,` upon His adversaries to accomplish.
Redemption for the nation of Israel, (an earthly nation) involves the payment for their national rebellion, plus the outing of the enemies who have `divided up my land, etc` (Joel 3: 2)

Marilyn.

Hello M C
God says that was fulfilled in the 1st century/70ad.
Please read Revelation from a Jewish 1st century perspective like a Hebrew Jew would....

"DAYS OF VENGEANCE" Isaiah 61:2 and Luke 21:22 Revelation

Isaiah 61:2
To proclaim the year of the good pleasure of Yahweh,
And the day of vengeance<5359> of our 'Elohiym, To comfort all mourners.

Luke 4:
17 the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to Him. Unrolling it, He found the place where it was written:
21 and He began by saying, “Today this Scripture is fulfilled<4137> in your hearing.”

40 yrs later in 70AD, the days of vengeance were fulfilled.......

Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized- Poll Thread

Luke 21:
22 That days of vengeance<1557> these are, of the to be fulfilled<4130> all the having been written

Luke 18:7
The yet God not no should be doing the avenging<1557> of the chosen-ones of Him,
the ones imploring to Him of day and night and is far-feeling on them.

Revelation 6:10
And they cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Master/Owner, holy and true,
until You judge and avenge<1556 >your blood on those who dwell on the earth?”

The Great City/Harlot/Queen Revelation chapts 17-19

Revelation 19:2
“For true and righteous are His judgments, because He has judged the great Harlot who corrupted the earth with Her fornication;
and He has avenged <1556> on Her the blood of His servants shed by her.”

 

[Marilyn C]

Hello M C
God says that was fulfilled in the 1st century/70ad.
Please read Revelation from a Jewish 1st century perspective like a Hebrew Jew would....

"DAYS OF VENGEANCE" Isaiah 61:2 and Luke 21:22 Revelation

Isaiah 61:2
To proclaim the year of the good pleasure of Yahweh,
And the day of vengeance<5359> of our 'Elohiym, To comfort all mourners.

Luke 4:
17 the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to Him. Unrolling it, He found the place where it was written:
21 and He began by saying, “Today this Scripture is fulfilled<4137> in your hearing.”

40 yrs later in 70AD, the days of vengeance were fulfilled.......

Hi LittleLambofJesus,

This was also in the link that jgr sent me,

HEBREW.

Cognate: 2643 katallagḗ – reconciliation (restoration) as the resulting of Christ exactly (precisely) exchanging His righteousness (blood) for our guilt. See 2644(katallassō).


GREEK

STRONGS NT 2643: καταλλαγή

2. adjustment of a difference, reconciliation, restoration to favor,


And we do not see this restoration as yet.

Marilyn.

 

[Marilyn C]

Ripping one verse out of its context to prove your Three Peoples of God doctrine falls apart when the whole passage is viewed below.

Heb 11:39 And all these, having obtained a good testimony through faith, did not receive the promise,
Heb 11:40 God having provided something better for us, that they should not be made perfect apart from us.

Hi BABerean,

You seem to forget that by having everyone in one place as Kingpriests, there would be no one to rule over. Also there is a New Heavens and New earth which are both populated, so another reason we are not all in one place.

As to the verse above. It surely does need explanation from God`s word, and NOT our opinion.

`God having provided something better...` The Greek there means a great dominion. Now we know from God`s word that the Body of Christ will be with Christ on His own throne in the highest. (Rev. 3: 21) And that will take place when we are caught up to the Lord.

Then we know that the Lord puts down all rule and authority in the tribulation and millennium till finally there is a New Heavens and New Earth in which the city part of Jerusalem comes down out of heaven from God. The OT saints who have been waiting in the General assembly will come down with the city as promised. (Heb. 11: 16)

Thus the Body of Christ has a greater dominion than the OT saints, and they will be made perfect after we have received our inheritance. Together in the different realms, the two ruling groups will rule in God`s great kingdom. And the nations on the earth make up the third group.

The Lord Jesus Christ by His Holy Spirit is well able to rule over every realm and through every rulership He has chosen.

`For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on the earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and FOR HIM.` (Col. 1: 16)

Marilyn.

 

[Marilyn C]

Something that has happened is history (unchangeable), something that not has happened is future ... there is no in-between or "breaks" ... that is a fact and does not have to be proven.

God knows the beginning to the end ... continuous.

Hi eleos,

True, however when God is speaking prophetically He often jumps time in relation to what He is revealing. For example -

`The Spirit of the Lord is upon me....to proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord, and the day of vengeance of our God.` (Isa. 61: 1 & 2)

Time continues, but God reveals His purposes a bit at a time.

Marilyn.

 

[BABerean2]

Then we know that the Lord puts down all rule and authority in the tribulation and millennium till finally there is a New Heavens and New Earth in which the city part of Jerusalem comes down out of heaven from God.

Can you show us how many mortals are left alive on the planet at the end of the following passage?

Mat 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
Mat 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
Mat 25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
Mat 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
Mat 25:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
Mat 25:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
Mat 25:37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
Mat 25:38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
Mat 25:39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
Mat 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Mat 25:42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
Mat 25:43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
Mat 25:44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
Mat 25:45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
Mat 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.


How will your mortals survive the "flaming fire" found at the Second Coming of Christ below?

2Th 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
2Th 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
2Th 1:10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

Your interpretation of Revelation chapter 20 falls apart in the passages above and the video below.

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[eleos1954]

Hi eleos,

True, however when God is speaking prophetically He often jumps time in relation to what He is revealing. For example -

`The Spirit of the Lord is upon me....to proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord, and the day of vengeance of our God.` (Isa. 61: 1 & 2)

Time continues, but God reveals His purposes a bit at a time.

Marilyn.

Yes He often combines the historical with the future as there is nothing new under the sun ... but that does not mean there is actual breaks in history time-wise ... time began and is continuous.

Time continues, but God reveals His purposes a bit at a time.

Agree

Isaiah 28:10

10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

 

[nolidad]

Initially, the Jews will not think the false prophet is a false prophet, but Elijah.

The Antichrist person is the another that Jesus referred to in John 5:
43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

It isn't until the Antichrist betrays the Jews by doing the transgression of desolation act in 2Thessalonians2:4, that the Jews reject him as continuing as their King of Israel.

Well that is doing alot of implying without Scriptural Evidence.

As for JOhn 5 that also is a stretch. Jesus bar Kochba came in his own name in the 2nd century and turned the Jews to himself.

Also if the antichrist is anointed King of Israel and the false prophet does the anointing- where is that even implied?

The antichrist is not the king of Israel at teh beginning of the 70th week of Daniel- for He signs a treaty with Israel. Kings do not sign treaties with his own population

 

[Douggg]

Well that is doing alot of implying without Scriptural Evidence.

There is evidence, but not a direct statement.

nolidad, please go to this thread, my post #77.

"peace and safety" and the red horse

As for JOhn 5 that also is a stretch. Jesus bar Kochba came in his own name in the 2nd century and turned the Jews to himself.

Simon bar Kochba was never anointed the King of Israel, nor by a known prophet. There have only been three kings over united Israel. Saul and David, anointed by the prophet Samuel. Solomon, anointed by the prophet Nathan. The Jews consider Simon bar Kochba a "failed messiah".

Also if the antichrist is anointed King of Israel and the false prophet does the anointing- where is that even implied?

nolidad, this is where all those years, since 2004, of me arguing with the Jews, over 10,000 posts at their sites, which I got exposed to a lot of valuable information, even though I disagree with their overall position, comes into play. To become the King of Israel, the person must be anointed by a known prophet like Samuel and Nathan, and anointed with a special blend of oil and spices. The Jews gave me the biblical reference to exactly what that blend is, but I don't recall the passage.

What the Jews are looking for, and Christianity in fact, is the messianic age - which of course requires two things, a messiah and Elijah. One of the two prophets, in Revelation 11 will be Elijah, imo. So that part is addressed in Revelation. Comparatively speaking, the false prophet on the other hand will be a false Elijah.

The antichrist is not the king of Israel at teh beginning of the 70th week of Daniel- for He signs a treaty with Israel. Kings do not sign treaties with his own population

Well it is not a treaty, but a covenant. Nothing is "signed". It will be a big speech from the Temple mount on the feast of Tabernacles, in similitude and required by Moses in Deuteronomy 31:9-13.

Every person's soul at this forum is precious.

 

[nolidad]

There is evidence, but not a direct statement.

nolidad, please go to this thread, my post #77.

"peace and safety" and the red horse

Well I read your peace and safety. You have badly bungled things. The peace and safety is most likely a pre-trib event. the results of the Russian invasion,m and the wars of the antichrist to rise to global power!

The antichrist enters the temple in the mid-point of the trib! thats when all hell breaks loose on earth!

nolidad, this is where all those years, since 2004, of me arguing with the Jews, over 10,000 posts at their sites, which I got exposed to a lot of valuable information, even though I disagree with their overall position, comes into play. To become the King of Israel, the person must be anointed by a known prophet like Samuel and Nathan, and anointed with a special blend of oil and spices. The Jews gave me the biblical reference to exactly what that blend is, but I don't recall the passage.

You forget the most important thing required for a person to be anointed King of Israel! they have to be a direct descendant of King David! No Jew would ever allow anyone to be called King (accept the most secular I suppose) unless they could prove their lineage goes back to David.

The antichrist is to be a prince of the people who came and destroyed the sanctuary. So he will be a ruler of the Roman Empire. Whether the empire of Daniels day, Jesus'day or the furture time- we can only guess and that is always dangerous to do!

 

[Marilyn C]

Can you show us how many mortals are left alive on the planet at the end of the following passage?

Mat 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
Mat 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
Mat 25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
Mat 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
Mat 25:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
Mat 25:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
Mat 25:37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
Mat 25:38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
Mat 25:39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
Mat 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Mat 25:42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
Mat 25:43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
Mat 25:44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
Mat 25:45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
Mat 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.


How will your mortals survive the "flaming fire" found at the Second Coming of Christ below?

2Th 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
2Th 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
2Th 1:10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

Your interpretation of Revelation chapter 20 falls apart in the passages above and the video below.
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Hi BABerean,

`Their flesh shall dissolve while they stand on their feet, their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets....And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King...` (Zech. 14: 12 & 16)

Marilyn.

 

[Douggg]

Well I read your peace and safety. You have badly bungled things. The peace and safety is most likely a pre-trib event. the results of the Russian invasion,m and the wars of the antichrist to rise to global power!

nolidad, what is the beginning condition right before the Day of the Lord in 1Thessalonians5 ? It is them saying Peace and Safety? So if that were the same as Israel living in safety prior to Gog/Magog, it is in conflict with the beginning of the Day of the Lord in 2Thessalonians2:4, the Antichrist going into the temple and sitting, some time in the middle of the 7 years.

Israel living in safety prior to Gog/Magog

Gog/Magog, followed by 7 years in the text.

the 7 years of Daniel 9:27

peace and safety

in the middle part - Antichrist sits in the temple - beginning the Day of the Lord.

 

[Douggg]

You forget the most important thing required for a person to be anointed King of Israel! they have to be a direct descendant of King David! No Jew would ever allow anyone to be called King (accept the most secular I suppose) unless they could prove their lineage goes back to David.

I have been saying over and over the person has to be descended from King David.

The antichrist is to be a prince of the people who came and destroyed the sanctuary. So he will be a ruler of the Roman Empire.

He must be a Jew and also descended from the Julio-Claudian family line of Caesars.