The Difference between Daniel`s 70th Week and the Tribulation.

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The Difference between Daniel`s 70th week and the Tribulation.

Daniel`s 70th Week.


`Seventy weeks are determined for your people and for your holy city, to finish the transgression, (National rebellion)…..and to anoint the Most Holy.` (Dan. 9: 24)

This prophecy was given to the people of Israel revealing the time of chastisement by God till there would be atonement and National Deliverance.

God declared this long ago.

`He will provide atonement for His land and His people.` (Deut. 32: 43)


Most of the 70 x 7 years have been fulfilled with only 7 years to go. In Revelation 8 we see the beginning of this atonement for Israel`s national rebellion. The Lord, the High Priest has paid the price with His precious blood, and we see Him represented before God`s throne in the heavenly sanctuary, interceding for Israel.


Throughout Rev. 8 - 19 we read of the Lord`s Mediatorial role for Israel, and we see the `temple` in heaven opened. The Ark of the Covenant is seen, the Lord Himself coming forth, bringing National Deliverance to Israel.

 

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The Tribulation.

Alongside God`s dealing with Israel, (the 70th week for atonement & deliverance) we read of God avenging and rendering vengeance upon His adversaries.

`Rejoice, O Gentiles, with His people for He will avenge the blood of His servants, and render vengeance to His adversaries…` (Deut.32: 43)


Here we read of God`s great mercy for as He is dealing with those who killed His servants, and dealing vengeance upon His adversaries, we see that there are Gentiles who will turn to Him & rejoice at God`s judgments.

This time of God`s vengeance, His anger, His wrath, speaks of punishment to those for their iniquity.

`For behold, the Lord comes out of His place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity…..` (Isa. 26: 21)


Revelation 8 also reveals when this punishment begins. We see the Lord, the High priest throw the incense and fire to the earth.

`Then the angel took the censor, filled it with fire from the altar, and threw it to the earth. And there were noises, thundering, lightnings, and an earthquake.` (Rev. 8: 5)

We are told that when the world is saying `Peace & Safety,` then sudden destruction.

`For when they say, “Peace & Safety,” then sudden destruction comes upon them as labour pains upon a pregnant woman.` (1 Thess.5: 3)

This is what the Lord revealed in Matthew 24: 8, `all these are the beginning of sorrows,` meaning `birth pangs.`

 
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Summing up.

Thus I see that God is dealing with Israel and also with the Gentiles.

God gives seven years to bring about atonement to Israel and deliverance from their enemies. This is the final seven years of the 70 x 7 weeks.

Then alongside God`s dealings with Israel we read that He will avenge and give vengeance to his adversaries. This is called the tribulation and does not last the full seven years of Israel`s dealings, but is cut short for the elect`s sake.

`And if those days had not been shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect`s sake those days will be shortened.`(Matt. 24: 22)


Daniel`s 70th week - Israel`s chastisement. (7 years)

The Tribulation - The Gentiles judgment. (less than 7 years)
 
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We are told that when the world is saying `Peace & Safety,` then sudden destruction.

`For when they say, “Peace & Safety,” then sudden destruction comes upon them as labour pains upon a pregnant woman.` (1 Thess.5: 3)
Marilyn, I will be making a thread on the peace and safety, then sudden destruction.

The rider on the white horse - the Antichrist will be crowned the King of Israel. Jews and the world saying "peace and safety", messianic era begins (in their view).

3 years thereabouts later, the Antichrist commits the transgression of desolation act in 2Thessalonians2:4. The Jews reject him as continuing as their King. He is now the revealed man of sin.

The rider on the red horse takes peace from the earth - which is the end of the peace and safety
thinking.

Revelation 6:4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.

The revealed man of sin will be killed. Rider on the white horse, then peace and safety, then the ToD act, then the red horse, and then the revealed man of sin killed - in that order are on my chart.



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Hi Douggg,

You may want to check out Daniel 12: 12 again.

`BLESSED is he who waits and comes to the 1,335 days...` (Dan. 12: 12)

On your diagram you have placed that in the Great tribulation and BEFORE the Lord returns.
Many are not BLESSED at that time.

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Hi Douggg,

You may want to check out Daniel 12: 12 again.

`BLESSED is he who waits and comes to the 1,335 days...` (Dan. 12: 12)

On your diagram you have placed that in the Great tribulation and BEFORE the Lord returns.
Many are not BLESSED at that time.

Marilyn.
Hi Marilyn,

My chart shows Jesus's return ending the Great Tribulation. The Great Tribulation beginning 1335 days before Jesus's return.

I understand Daniel 12:12 to mean them who believe in the Jesus, and who have endured the Great Tribulation, will be blessed to have survived to the Day the Jesus Returns. And continue into the millennium with Jesus, the messianic age..

The ones not blessed, of course are them who hadn't turned to Jesus, although they could even after Jesus's returns. There has to be some unbelievers making up the nations, some of whom will survive the Great Tribulation, because Jesus will rule the nations with a rod of iron.

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Marilyn, on your diagram you are more rudimentary. You show "abomination".
Whereas, I show the distinction between the ToD and the AoD on my chart.
 
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Summing up.

Thus I see that God is dealing with Israel and also with the Gentiles.

God gives seven years to bring about atonement to Israel and deliverance from their enemies. This is the final seven years of the 70 x 7 weeks.

Then alongside God`s dealings with Israel we read that He will avenge and give vengeance to his adversaries. This is called the tribulation and does not last the full seven years of Israel`s dealings, but is cut short for the elect`s sake.

`And if those days had not been shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect`s sake those days will be shortened.`(Matt. 24: 22)


Daniel`s 70th week - Israel`s chastisement. (7 years)

The Tribulation - The Gentiles judgment. (less than 7 years)

Hi all, in my understanding this is how this will unfold. We are given a picture of Satan as a frog and out of the frog comes three unclean spirits from the trinity of evil, Satan. Satan counterfeits our God over and over. In this picture of the Frog we see Satan is one but three and three but one. We are told that:

Satan is in heaven accusing the brethren day and night

Anti-Christ is being held prisoner in the Abyss

False Prophet, unholy spirit, is at work in the world denying Christ.

It is imperative to understand God's and our enemy, Satan or nothing fits as it should. Satan is a triune Beast and we see they are in three separate places. This is important because we see that how the counterfeit anti-Christ counterfeits the Christ. Of anti- Christ we are told

"He was, is not now and will be again."

of the Christ we are told

'He was, is and will be again."

The teachings are almost identical with one huge difference anti-Christ "is not now" and Christ "is"and what does this mean? The key that unlocks this teaching understanding what is said about the Christ and then applying that to the teaching on anti-Christ.What does it mean that Christ was, was where? This of course applies to the Lord's Incarnation. We are also told anti-Christ was in the world. Some believe, I do, that Judas was the incarnate anti- Christ.

Next we are told the Lord "is" and anti-Christ "is not now." Christ being God is omnipresent so being everywhere the Lord is still in the world. Anti-Christ is not now meaning Satan does not have the attributes of God and presently anti-Christ is not in the world. Anti- Christ is locked in The Abyss waiting to be released where see him coming up out of the Abyss along with his fallen angels, the 200,000,000 strong demonic army. The Lord spoke of anti-Christ's time as being like the Days of Noah when fallen angels were then and will be again following the Destroyer anti-Christ. The Christ comes seven years after this in His Return where we are told He will destroy him with Splendor of His coming. The Lord's Splendor is expressed as the Shekinah Glory the Pillar of cloud and fire. The problem becomes how do you describe the indescribable? Especially when those you are writing to have never seen His Shekinah. Once again we are handed a huge key to unlock this when we are told both the Christ and the anti-Christ will return as lightening. These events are separated because anti-Christ comes at the beginning of the 70th Week of Years and Christ closes it out on the final Passover seven years to the day after anti-Christ as come on Passover a wolf who is in sheeps clothing counterfeiting the true Passover Lamb. So we have antiChrist and the Christ both returning as lightening is there more to this and what import does it have on the last Week of Years? Temple Worship and all that entails is impossible until they have one thing, Fire from heaven. Anti- Christ will provide the fire for his temple and Christ will bring the fire for the Millennial Temple.
 
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The Difference between Daniel`s 70th week and the Tribulation.

Daniel`s 70th Week.


`Seventy weeks are determined for your people and for your holy city, to finish the transgression, (National rebellion)…..and to anoint the Most Holy.` (Dan. 9: 24)

This prophecy was given to the people of Israel revealing the time of chastisement by God till there would be atonement and National Deliverance.

God declared this long ago.

`He will provide atonement for His land and His people.` (Deut. 32: 43)


Most of the 70 x 7 years have been fulfilled with only 7 years to go. In Revelation 8 we see the beginning of this atonement for Israel`s national rebellion. The Lord, the High Priest has paid the price with His precious blood, and we see Him represented before God`s throne in the heavenly sanctuary, interceding for Israel.


Throughout Rev. 8 - 19 we read of the Lord`s Mediatorial role for Israel, and we see the `temple` in heaven opened. The Ark of the Covenant is seen, the Lord Himself coming forth, bringing National Deliverance to Israel.

All bible timelines are examples of a single contiguous timeline. Slicing and dicing them up and inserting vast spans of time of unknown lingth into them is never approved of in the Bible.
 
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Marilyn, I will be making a thread on the peace and safety, then sudden destruction.

The rider on the white horse - the Antichrist will be crowned the King of Israel. Jews and the world saying "peace and safety", messianic era begins (in their view).

3 years thereabouts later, the Antichrist commits the transgression of desolation act in 2Thessalonians2:4. The Jews reject him as continuing as their King. He is now the revealed man of sin.

The rider on the red horse takes peace from the earth - which is the end of the peace and safety
thinking.

Revelation 6:4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.

The revealed man of sin will be killed. Rider on the white horse, then peace and safety, then the ToD act, then the red horse, and then the revealed man of sin killed - in that order are on my chart.



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Dan 9 -- 70 weeks of years (490 years) and Dan 8 with its 2300 year timeline (all apocalyptic timelines use day-for-year) have the same start point.
 
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The seventieth week takes place during the reign of Antiochus IV Epiphanes. The usage of Daniel 9 in the New Testament should be understood in a typological sense—not a literal fulfillment.

Hi, why would the first 69 Weeks of Years be literal and the second most important act be typological. Are there other prophecies that are broken up between both a literal fulfillment and partially typological? thanks
 
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Hi, why would the first 69 Weeks of Years be literal and the second most important act be typological. Are there other prophecies that are broken up between both a literal fulfillment and partially typological? thanks

good point... there is no such thing as that in all of scripture.
 
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All bible timelines are examples of a single contiguous timeline. Slicing and dicing them up and inserting vast spans of time of unknown lingth into them is never approved of in the Bible.

Hi BobRyan,

Easy to say, harder to prove.

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The Difference between Daniel`s 70th week and the Tribulation.

Daniel`s 70th Week.


`Seventy weeks are determined for your people and for your holy city, to finish the transgression, (National rebellion)…..and to anoint the Most Holy.` (Dan. 9: 24)

This prophecy was given to the people of Israel revealing the time of chastisement by God till there would be atonement and National Deliverance.

God declared this long ago.

`He will provide atonement for His land and His people.` (Deut. 32: 43)


Most of the 70 x 7 years have been fulfilled with only 7 years to go. In Revelation 8 we see the beginning of this atonement for Israel`s national rebellion. The Lord, the High Priest has paid the price with His precious blood, and we see Him represented before God`s throne in the heavenly sanctuary, interceding for Israel.


Throughout Rev. 8 - 19 we read of the Lord`s Mediatorial role for Israel, and we see the `temple` in heaven opened. The Ark of the Covenant is seen, the Lord Himself coming forth, bringing National Deliverance to Israel.

Based on Matthew 10:5-7, and Romans 1:16, and Galatians 1:14-18, the Gospel was taken "first" to the Jews for about 7 years, before Paul took the Gospel to the Gentiles.
This was the 70th week of Daniel during the first century.


Daniel Chapter 9: Dr. Kelly Varner

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Based on Matthew 10:5-7, and Romans 1:16, and Galatians 1:14-18, the Gospel was taken "first" to the Jews for about 7 years, before Paul took the Gospel to the Gentiles.
This was the 70th week of Daniel during the first century.

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Hi BABerean2,

So Israel`s `transgression, end of rebellion & reconciliation, plus the bringing in of everlasting righteousness, and sealing up vision and prophecy and finally anointing the Most Holy,`has all been completed? (Dan. 9: 24)

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Hi BABerean2,

So Israel`s `transgression, end of rebellion & reconciliation, plus the bringing in of everlasting righteousness, and sealing up vision and prophecy and finally anointing the Most Holy,`has all been completed? (Dan. 9: 24)

Marilyn.


Heb 10:16 "THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THEM AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR HEARTS, AND IN THEIR MINDS I WILL WRITE THEM,"
Heb 10:17 then He adds, "THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE." (Quoted from the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34)
Heb 10:18 Now where there is remission of these, there is no longer an offering for sin.


Act 10:38 how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power, who went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him.

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The Difference between Daniel`s 70th week and the Tribulation.

Daniel`s 70th Week.


`Seventy weeks are determined for your people and for your holy city, to finish the transgression, (National rebellion)…..and to anoint the Most Holy.` (Dan. 9: 24)

This prophecy was given to the people of Israel revealing the time of chastisement by God till there would be atonement and National Deliverance.

God declared this long ago.

`He will provide atonement for His land and His people.` (Deut. 32: 43)


Most of the 70 x 7 years have been fulfilled with only 7 years to go. In Revelation 8 we see the beginning of this atonement for Israel`s national rebellion. The Lord, the High Priest has paid the price with His precious blood, and we see Him represented before God`s throne in the heavenly sanctuary, interceding for Israel.


Throughout Rev. 8 - 19 we read of the Lord`s Mediatorial role for Israel, and we see the `temple` in heaven opened. The Ark of the Covenant is seen, the Lord Himself coming forth, bringing National Deliverance to Israel.

All bible timelines are examples of a single contiguous timeline. Slicing and dicing them up and inserting vast spans of time of unknown lingth into them is never approved of in the Bible.

Hi BobRyan,
Easy to say, harder to prove.
Marilyn.

Not really - the burden of "proof" is on the one who wants to insert an easter-bunny into the text (so to speak). Pointing out that there is no case in all of scripture where easter-bunnies can be inserted into apocalyptic timelines is simply an appeal to fact.

Same is true with the imaginative idea of shredding Bible timelines into disconnected segments with ad hoc inserts of 1000's of years (unknown lengths of time) stuck into the timeline by the reader.. a truly easter-bunny like action not at all approved of in scripture
 
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Dan 9 -- 70 weeks of years (490 years) and Dan 8 with its 2300 year timeline (all apocalyptic timelines use day-for-year) have the same start point.
Bob, in the parable of a fig in Matthew 24, how long is a generation? Because when those things start to happen, including the abomination of desolation, that generation will not pass away. So it cannot be a 2300 year timeline, nor all apocalyptic timelines use a day-for-years.
 
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