"The DAY of the LORD": What is it?

[Douggg]

The first part is interesting and a good point. But this happens after the Millennial Kingdom, when God destroys the first earth and heaven and the New Jerusalem comes down. Then there will be no night.
During the Great Tribulation period and Millennial kingdom, we will still be in the first earth, and also have the sun and moon as well. Therefore, John 6:39 ,54 would not apply to this Day of the Lord (if your assessment is correct), since the FIRST RESURRECTION (Rapture) occurs during THE Great Tribulation.
Also "I will raise them up at the last day" cannot be one particular day, since there will be two resurrections. This is why the whole epoch of time could be considered the Day of the Lord. It encompasses all that is in the GT, Millennial Kingdom up to the New Jerusalem. That would be the end of time as we know it.

Ronald, in Daniel 12, the Day of the Lord has to include the great tribulation triggered by the abomination of desolation...Jesus's return... and the 1000 year millennium.... in order to get to this point:

Daniel 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

The part in blue has to take place during the Great White Throne judgement at the end of the millennium. There is no other way.

 

[LastSeven]

The first part is interesting and a good point. But this happens after the Millennial Kingdom, when God destroys the first earth and heaven and the New Jerusalem comes down. Then there will be no night.

Yes. That's my point exactly. It happens after the thousand years.

During the Great Tribulation period and Millennial kingdom, we will still be in the first earth, and also have the sun and moon as well. Therefore, John 6:39 ,54 would not apply to this Day of the Lord (if your assessment is correct), since the FIRST RESURRECTION (Rapture) occurs during THE Great Tribulation.
Also "I will raise them up at the last day" cannot be one particular day, since there will be two resurrections. This is why the whole epoch of time could be considered the Day of the Lord. It encompasses all that is in the GT, Millennial Kingdom up to the New Jerusalem. That would be the end of time as we know it.

Ronald, think about what you're saying. You're saying that "the last day" is not really the last day.

I happen to believe that when Jesus spoke of the last day, he knew what he was talking about, which means the last day resurrection does not take place before the thousand years, but at the end, right before the new earth. Any other conclusion is illogical.

 

[LastSeven]

Daniel 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

The part in blue has to take place during the Great White Throne judgement at the end of the millennium. There is no other way.

Doug, you and I rarely agree but on this statement we agree. However, you should take it one step further and admit that both the righteous and the wicked are resurrected at the end of the millennium. See the part in red that can not be ignored.

 

[Davy]

Do not confuse the forthcoming Day of the Lord's vengeance and wrath against the nations, with any later event.
The Day of the Lord’s blazing anger:

Isaiah 28:21 The Lord will arise as He did on Mt Perazim, [1 Chron. 14:11] and storm with rage as He did in the valley of Gibeon, [Joshua 10:9-15] to do what He must do, to perform a strange and alien task.

Isaiah 29:5 Suddenly, in an instant the horde of your enemies will crumble into dust, punishment will come from the Lord, with thunder, earthquakes, with storm and tempest and flames of devouring fire.

Isaiah 13:6-13 Cry out: for the Day of the Lord is at hand, it will come in a mighty destruction. Fear will grip everyone, men will lose courage at the coming disaster. That cruel Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath is coming to reduce all the earth to a desolation and to destroy the evil and godless people on it. It will be a Day of darkness, on the day that the Lord brings disaster onto the world and due punishment to the wicked. He will put an end to arrogance and will humble the pride of the ruthless. Humans will become as scarce as fine gold, on the Day that the heavens will be moved and the earth shaken from its place, at the wrath of the Lord, in the Day of His blazing anger.
Ref. REB, some verses abridged.

As Isaiah tells us: The Lord has in the past acted to destroy His enemies and now, once again, He will act in His creation. Isaiah 42:14 Long have I restrained Myself. Isaiah 59:18, Isaiah 63:1-6, Isaiah 64:1-2, Psalms 68:1-2, Jeremiah 12:14, Deuteronomy 32:26-43

1/ The Lord will arise, to perform a strange task – to punish His enemies; the attackers of Israel and to humble the godless. Isaiah 66:13-17

2/ Punishment will come from the Lord– not a nuclear war or anything instigated by man.

3/ Suddenly, in an instant – This is the event that ‘will come like a thief’.

4/.. earthquakes – Earthquakes will be caused by the microwave effect of the electromagnetic pulse in a Coronal Mass Ejection. An explosion of the suns surface. Deuteronomy 32:22, Isaiah 30:26a, Psalms 50:1-3, Malachi 4:1

5/ devouring fire – The fireball of the superheated cosmic particles of a CME. 2 Peter 3:7

6/ the Day of the Lord is at hand – This is the logical result of most of mankind’s rejection of God and His Laws.

7/ Fear will grip everyone – This sudden and shocking event will terrify all those people unaware of God’s plans. Ezekiel 7:17

8/ a mighty destruction, to reduce the earth to desolation – A worldwide disaster, but it will particularly affect the Middle East area. Zephaniah 1:14-18, Ezekiel 30:1-5

9/ a day of darkness – The approaching mass will obscure the sun and stars.

10/ Humans will become scarce – Millions will die from the initial strike and millions more from famine and the fighting afterward.

11/ the heavens move – the magnetosphere and the atmosphere will be severely affected.

12/ the earth will shake from its place – the hit from this CME may cause the earths orbit to speed up, thereby giving us a 360 day year, which is the prophetic year.

13/ His blazing anger – It is appropriate that the Lord will use the sun, our life sustainer, to judge mankind. A CME solar flare perfectly and literally fulfils all the prophesied effects, but it will quickly pass by, leaving the world to recover. A world that will never be the same again and the stage will be set for all the other prophesied things to happen before the Return of Jesus for His Millennium reign.

Exactly, the "day of the Lord" will occur suddenly, at an instant, according to God's OT prophets (Isaiah). The false doctrine that the "day of the Lord" begins at the start of the tribulation and continues throughout it til Jesus returns is madness.

 

[Ronald]

Ronald, in Daniel 12, the Day of the Lord has to include the great tribulation triggered by the abomination of desolation...Jesus's return... and the 1000 year millennium.... in order to get to this point:

That what I said in my initial post:
"When Jesus comes, He will take back the earth as we see in Rev. 11:15, "The kingdoms of the world have become the kingdoms of our Lord ..." Also at that time (the 7th Trumpet), the rapture occurs. The dead are judged and the servants receive rewards (vs.18); the Temple in heaven is opened (vs. 19); the 7 bowls of wrath are released.
But this time forward, may be the day (1,000 years) of the Lord.
There are two judgments, one prior to the Millennial Kingdom and one at the end of it. They are both equally considered Judgment Day. 2 Pet.3:10 would occur at the end and many of the other verses you posted could equally be divided as well between both events. To think that the GT would not be the Day of the Lord would be a mistake, yet the earth isn't totally destroyed at that time. Is it one day? No. Is it 1260 days? No"

 

[Ronald]

Ronald, think about what you're saying. You're saying that "the last day" is not really the last day.

I happen to believe that when Jesus spoke of the last day, he knew what he was talking about, which means the last day resurrection does not take place before the thousand years, but at the end, right before the new earth. Any other conclusion is illogical.

I'm saying that the "last day" and the "Day of the Lord" are not one 24 hour day. Since it evidently includes many events, the whole period of time must be included. Therefore, when scripture says "a day is like 1,000 years ...", it means it is not one day, but outside of our time domain and in God's domain. So when Jesus says I will raise them up on the last day and there are two resurrections, one before the Millennial Kingdom (at the last trumpet during the Great Tribulation) and one after, it must include both times.
There is a resurrection (rapture) before the Millennial Kingdom (Rev.11:15-19) In verse 18, "And the time of the dead, that they should be judged, And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints ..." That happens at the 7th trumpet, before the Millennial Kingdom.

 

[keras]

So you think God's "punishment" is killing people on earth? Why would he do that only to resurrect everybody again shortly after?

God will kill His enemies, He has done that before and will do it again. At times He has used other peoples to do it, but this time He will use His creation; the sun. As He did in Noah's time, with water.
Your beliefs are very confused; the resurrection for Judgement does not happen until after the Millennium. 2 Peter 3:3-6 applies to you.

 

[keras]

I'm saying that the "last day" and the "Day of the Lord" are not one 24 hour day. Since it evidently includes many events, the whole period of time must be included. Therefore, when scripture says "a day is like 1,000 years ...", it means it is not one day, but outside of our time domain and in God's domain. So when Jesus says I will raise them up on the last day and there are two resurrections, one before the Millennial Kingdom (at the last trumpet during the Great Tribulation) and one after, it must include both times.
There is a resurrection (rapture) before the Millennial Kingdom (Rev.11:15-19) In verse 18, "And the time of the dead, that they should be judged, And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints ..." That happens at the 7th trumpet, before the Millennial Kingdom.

Another person who likes to make plain scriptural Words mean something they don't!
The Day of the Lord's wrath, the Sixth seal disaster, and the Last Day are two separate days. Literal earthly days.
The Last Day could be the Day Jesus Returns, or the final day, when all are Judged.
But the great and terrible Day of the Lord's vengeance and wrath is fast approaching and the sad thing is that many Christians are unaware and unprepared for it.

As for there being a 'rapture' in Rev 11, this is sheer wishful thinking. The rewards for those who honor His Name, are to be His rulers and priests on earth. Revelation 5:9-10

 

[LastSeven]

Your beliefs are very confused; the resurrection for Judgement does not happen until after the Millennium.

Why would you say I'm confused? I know the resurrection happens after the millennium. That's what I've been saying all along.

 

[LastSeven]

God will kill His enemies, He has done that before and will do it again.

So you think he's going to kill his enemies on earth, then proceed to immediately resurrect them to stand trial in front of the throne, and then kill them again in the lake of fire? All in the span of one day!!! Wow, those people are going to have a really bad day.

 

[Ronald]

The Day of the Lord's wrath, the Sixth seal disaster, and the Last Day are two separate days. Literal earthly days.
The Last Day could be the Day Jesus Returns, or the final day, when all are Judged.

The Seals of the Scroll were opened a long time ago - otherwise John nor anyone else would know what was in them! It is the play book, the orders; but the actions within trumpets and bowls represent some of the events within the scroll which show us different vantage points. You can't read Revelation in a chronological order, chapter by chapter, seals first, then trumpets. These events overlap and are accumulative. God just shows them to us one at a time. It very well could be that the trumpets are blown quickly, and the bowls poured as well, quickly and then the damage progressing.
I am a literalist for the most part, but when you read about two different resurrections, it can't be the same day - they are separated by 1000 years. Also when you read Rev. 6, with every seal, the angel says, "come and see" before he brings John to another location/time to view what the seal represents. John didn't see Jesus opening the seals in the future, he saw Jesus opening them right after He ascended into heaven and was handed the scroll in 32AD (or whatever date it was).
You ere when you say "the Day of the Lord's wrath" as if it were the same day as the Day of the Lord in 2 Pet. 3:10 where it says, "the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up."
I take that literally! But that is not what happens in the Great Tribulation, that happens after the Millennial during the second resurrection/death. You need to quote accurately: "For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?" Rev. 6:17
I also pointed out in Rev. 11:18, that "... the time of the dead, that they should be judged..." is clearly one of two judgments separated by 1000 years. The second death was after the Millennial kingdom (see Rev. 20:14)

 

[LastSeven]

So when Jesus says I will raise them up on the last day and there are two resurrections, one before the Millennial Kingdom (at the last trumpet during the Great Tribulation) and one after, it must include both times.

You think it must include both resurrections because you think when Jesus spoke of "the last day" resurrection he was speaking of the first resurrection. That's where you err. He was in fact speaking of the second resurrection, as the first resurrection has already passed as proven by the following passage.

Ephesians 2:4-6
But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, 5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved. 6 And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus

There are plenty of other passages that also tell us we were crucified with Christ and raised with Christ. That is literally the definition of resurrection; dying then rising.

We who have accepted Jesus don't have to fear the second death, because we've taken part in the first resurrection already, and even to this day people continue to take part in the first resurrection. It's the second resurrection, and only the second resurrection, that takes place on the last day.

There is only one physical resurrection and it is for both the wicked and the righteous. Some will rise to everlasting life and others will rise to everlasting shame and contempt. That's when we all stand before the throne. Not only the wicked. (Where else would we receive our rewards?)

There is a resurrection (rapture) before the Millennial Kingdom (Rev.11:15-19) In verse 18, "And the time of the dead, that they should be judged, And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints ..." That happens at the 7th trumpet, before the Millennial Kingdom.

Actually the 7th trumpet is blown at the end of the thousand years, and that's pretty easy to prove. The seventh trumpet tells us three things that we know happen at the end of the thousand years, not the beginning.

1. The time has come for the judging of the dead.
2. The time has come for God the father and his Christ to begin their eternal reign.
3. The mystery of God is done.

This proves that the seventh trumpet is blown at the end of the thousand years, not the beginning. Which obviously then also proves that the saints are rewarded at the end of the thousand years, not the beginning.

And if you're still not convinced then look at Acts 3:21 which clearly states that Jesus will not leave heaven until the time of the new heaven and earth, so how then can he come back a thousand years earlier? He can't. The Bible is true, and the timeline is obvious.

Acts 3:21
Heaven must receive him until the time comes for God to restore everything, as he promised long ago through his holy prophets.

 

[Ronald]

You think it must include both resurrections because you think when Jesus spoke of "the last day" resurrection he was speaking of the first resurrection. That's where you err. He was in fact speaking of the second resurrection, as the first resurrection has already passed as proven by the following passage.

Ephesians 2:4-6
But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, 5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved. 6 And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus

There are plenty of other passages that also tell us we were crucified with Christ and raised with Christ. That is literally the definition of resurrection; dying then rising.

We who have accepted Jesus don't have to fear the second death, because we've taken part in the first resurrection already, and even to this day people continue to take part in the first resurrection. It's the second resurrection, and only the second resurrection, that takes place on the last day.

There is only one physical resurrection and it is for both the wicked and the righteous. Some will rise to everlasting life and others will rise to everlasting shame and contempt. That's when we all stand before the throne. Not only the wicked. (Where else would we receive our rewards?)



Actually the 7th trumpet is blown at the end of the thousand years, and that's pretty easy to prove. The seventh trumpet tells us three things that we know happen at the end of the thousand years, not the beginning.

1. The time has come for the judging of the dead.
2. The time has come for God the father and his Christ to begin their eternal reign.
3. The mystery of God is done.

This proves that the seventh trumpet is blown at the end of the thousand years, not the beginning. Which obviously then also proves that the saints are rewarded at the end of the thousand years, not the beginning.

And if you're still not convinced then look at Acts 3:21 which clearly states that Jesus will not leave heaven until the time of the new heaven and earth, so how then can he come back a thousand years earlier? He can't. The Bible is true, and the timeline is obvious.

Acts 3:21
Heaven must receive him until the time comes for God to restore everything, as he promised long ago through his holy prophets.

Well, I disagree with your view, a post- Millennial View. I think you have things out of order. But you are entitled. We live in 'the already but not yet" realm of salvation. We've have yet been redeemed, we haven't received new bodies yet. You are confusing being born again from above with the resurrection. We haven't received new extra-dimensional bodies like Jesus yet! We are in Christ and so spiritually we are sitting next to God on His throne (outside of our time domain). It is a reality there already, but down here, not yet. I still live in my flesh, sin still dwells in my flesh and I have not been separated from my flesh until the day I die. Spiritually we died and were raised with Him, but the Resurrection is the day WHEN WE ARE TRANSFORMED IN THE TWINKLING OF AN EYE AT THE LAST TRUMPET. We are born again now, live in His Kingdom, but no, have not been resurrected. The First Resurrection has not happened yet ( in our time domain). There is tension between the spiritual realm and the physical realm. In the spiritual realm, time is not a factor.
So as far as Eph. 2:6 goes, here is a commentary:
"What remains yet to be done is here spoken of as though it were already past ..." Matthew Henry.
So it occurred in the heavenly realm, but not yet here - it you can grasp that?

 

[LastSeven]

I never said we have our new bodies yet Ronald. I'm not sure why you're making that point. I believe the physical resurrection is still future, as do you. The difference is that you believe it happens prior to the thousand years, I believe it happens at the end.

So as far as Eph. 2:6 goes, here is a commentary:
"What remains yet to be done is here spoken of as though it were already past ..." Matthew Henry.

So Matthew Henry says that Paul didn't really mean what he said, and you agree with that? On what basis?

And what about Acts 3:21? You say that we disagree, but since I agree with Acts 3:21 does that mean you don't?

 

[Ronald]

I never said we have our new bodies yet Ronald. I'm not sure why you're making that point. I believe the physical resurrection is still future, as do you. The difference is that you believe it happens prior to the thousand years, I believe it happens at the end.

1. The Great Tribulation Period (3 1/2 years) occurs before the Millennial Kingdom. In Rev. 20:5, the first resurrection happens during this time. vs. 6 says "Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priest of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years." There it is, confirmation that those who were resurrected at the last trumpet, during the GT, will reign with Christ during the Millennial Kingdom. The "second death" and resurrection occur after the 1000 years.
2. All scriptural events from Revelation chapters 6-19 happen prior to the Millennial Kingdom.
3. Several verses describe this first resurrection from different vantage points within this time period: Rev.7:9 (the multitude in heaven who just came out of the Great Tribulation); Rev.11:15-19 (the 7th/last trumpet, which includes the moment Jesus acquires the kingdoms of the world, the time of the dead's judgment, our rewards are given and most importantly, the Temple in Heaven is opened.)

 

[larry5867]

"The DAY of the LORD": What is it?

The Day of the Lord has to do with Jesus’ reign over the earth. There is always debate as to the literacy of a thousand years being its duration, but I go with the thousand.

The Lord’s Day” of Rev 1:10 is also “The Day of the Lord.” It is from that perspective in time that John is shown the three viewpoints of Rev 1:19. Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter.

There are three major segments of the Lord's Day, and they are "The temptation to come upon all the world in Rev 3:10 which is the first 1260 days of the tribulation, Jacob's trouble of Jer 30:7 Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it (there's going to be an army of 200,000,000 that will come against Israel and kill one third of all mankind - Rev 9:15-16): it is the last 1260 days of the week, and then the restoration of Israel which were blind in part, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in, and in that part of the Lord's Day which is referred to as the millennium, will come
Isa 66:8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.

Isa 66:8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children, and Rom 11:26 tells us that all Israel shall be saved.

Blessings in Christ Jesus.

 

[Inkfingers]

Possibly the literal day of his coming, but also possibly the 1000 years (1 prophetic day that is the sabbath epoch) of the millennium.

 

[Davy]

That what I said in my initial post:
"When Jesus comes, He will take back the earth as we see in Rev. 11:15, "The kingdoms of the world have become the kingdoms of our Lord ..." Also at that time (the 7th Trumpet), the rapture occurs. The dead are judged and the servants receive rewards (vs.18); the Temple in heaven is opened (vs. 19); the 7 bowls of wrath are released.
But this time forward, may be the day (1,000 years) of the Lord.
There are two judgments, one prior to the Millennial Kingdom and one at the end of it. They are both equally considered Judgment Day. 2 Pet.3:10 would occur at the end and many of the other verses you posted could equally be divided as well between both events. To think that the GT would not be the Day of the Lord would be a mistake, yet the earth isn't totally destroyed at that time. Is it one day? No. Is it 1260 days? No"

It's true that the "day of the Lord" can be seen as a thousand year period reaching to the end of the Rev.20 "thousand years". Peter in 2 Peter 3 suggested that.

But the very last 7th Vial coincides with the start of the "day of the Lord", and that is the day of Jesus' coming to gather His Church, and do battle at Armageddon. Revelation 16:15, on the 6th Vial, Jesus is warning us to keep our garments for He said He will come "as a thief". That is the metaphor Paul and Peter used for the timing of the "day of the Lord" in 1 Thess.5 and 2 Peter 3:10.

Also in 2 Peter 3:10-11, on the "day of the Lord", meaning the start of the first day of it when Jesus returns, that is when God's consuming fire will burn man's works off this earth. That is what the plague of Zech.14 is about. It will literally end this flesh world. It will cleanse the surface of the earth. But it will not be the new heavens and a new earth timing just yet.

On that day of the "last trump", the 7th trumpet, 7th Vial, and 6th Seal, even the wicked on earth will be 'changed' to the "spiritual body". All peoples will have the image of the heavenly, on earth, on that day. This is why John 5:28-29 reveals the "resurrection of damnation" will also occur for the wicked dead on the day of Jesus' return. This fleshy world will be over, but the earth will last forever. God has promised that, which means the idea of a new heavens and a new earth is actually about a re-establishing to His future glory, a state we've yet to see in this world.

 

[LastSeven]

1. The Great Tribulation Period (3 1/2 years) occurs before the Millennial Kingdom. In Rev. 20:5, the first resurrection happens during this time. vs. 6 says "Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priest of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years." There it is, confirmation that those who were resurrected at the last trumpet, during the GT, will reign with Christ during the Millennial Kingdom. The "second death" and resurrection occur after the 1000 years.
2. All scriptural events from Revelation chapters 6-19 happen prior to the Millennial Kingdom.
3. Several verses describe this first resurrection from different vantage points within this time period: Rev.7:9 (the multitude in heaven who just came out of the Great Tribulation); Rev.11:15-19 (the 7th/last trumpet, which includes the moment Jesus acquires the kingdoms of the world, the time of the dead's judgment, our rewards are given and most importantly, the Temple in Heaven is opened.)

I think you need to read the Bible a little more carefully. The seventh trumpet blows at the end of the thousand years, not at the beginning. I believe I already pointed that out to you.

 

[LastSeven]

All scriptural events from Revelation chapters 6-19 happen prior to the Millennial Kingdom.

So then you're saying that the following events happen prior to the millennial kingdom.

#1. God and Christ begin their eternal reign.
Revelation 11:13
The kingdom of the world has become
the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah,
and he will reign for ever and ever.

#2. The dead are judged.
Revelation 11:18
The time has come for judging the dead

#3. The redemptive work of God is completed.
Revelation 16:17
It is done