"The DAY of the LORD": What is it?

[Ron Gurley]

The fate of the unholy 3:

Revelation 20:10
And the devil (satan/serpent/dragon/Lucifer?/inter alia) who deceived them was thrown into the "lake of fire" and brimstone, where the beast (anti-christ) and the false prophet (anti-sprit) are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Revelation 13:18
Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast (anti-christ), for the number is that of a MAN; and his number is six hundred and sixty-six. (666)

 

[Ron Gurley]

Revelation 12:9
And the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old who is called the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.

Revelation 20:2
And he laid hold of the dragon, the serpent of old, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years;

 

[parousia70]

THE anti-christ:

Daniel 11:31
Forces from him will arise, desecrate the sanctuary fortress, and do away with the regular sacrifice. And they will set up the abomination of desolation.

Daniel 12:11
From the time that the regular sacrifice is abolished and the abomination of desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days.

Matthew 24:15
“Therefore when you see the abomination of desolation which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand),

Man of Lawlessness / Son of Destruction

Beast = Man named 666

1 John 2:18
Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that (THE) antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared; from this we know that it is the last hour.

1 John 2:22
Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son.

1 John 4:3
and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.

2 John 1:7
For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.

These seem to be the same dude to me. Why not?

Below is a fool-proof, 4-question litmus test that you can use to "test for antichrists" from the safety and comforts of your own home. Try it -- it works!

Instructions: Take any person you want and run them through St. John's biblical test below. A "yes" for all four questions gives a positive identification -- a single "no" disqualifies. Remember, it's the BIBLICAL test to discover antichrists.

BIBLICAL LITMUS TEST TO DISCOVER "ANTICHRISTS"
-- Four Questions--

#1) Has the person departed from the apostles' flocks, defecting from the true Christian faith to join "many deceivers" after first appearing to be a member?

"even now many antichrists have appeared ... THEY WENT OUT FROM US, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us they would have remained with us; but they went out" (1 Jn 2:18-19)

"For many deceivers have GONE OUT INTO THE WORLD ... this is the deceiver and the antichrist" (2 Jn 1:7)

"but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world ... this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world" ( 1 Jn 4:1, 3)


#2) Does this ex-church member now embrace and promote the specific heresy that makes a confession that Christ did not come in the flesh?

"For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who don't confess that Jesus Christ came in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the Antichrist" (2 John 1:7)

"By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit who confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, and every spirit who doesn't confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God, and this is the spirit of the antichrist, of whom you have heard that it comes. Now it is in the world already. " (1 Jn 4:2-3)

#3) Does this ex-church member, among many others who now embrace and promote the heresy about Christ not having ever come in the flesh, also try to claim the Father without having the Son (thereby denying both, according to John's teaching: Jn 15:23; Jn 5:23; Jn 8:42)?

"This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the son Whoever denies the Son DOES NOT HAVE THE FATHER; the one who confesses the Son has the Father also." (1 Jn 2:22-23)

#4) Does this person have a vital connection to St. John, who cites his presence in his own day as a sign that the the last hour of the endtimes is come upon the world?

"just as you heard that antichrist is coming, EVEN NOW MANY ANTICHRSTS HAVE APPEARED; FROM THIS WE KNOW IT IS THE LAST HOUR. They went out from us," (1 Jn 2:18-19)


HOW'D YOU SCORE?

Remember: A "yes" for all four questions gives a positive identification -- a single "no" disqualifies.

 

[parousia70]

Just what Peter said in 2 Peter 3 ought to be enough to show the "day of the Lord" is an event to occur on the final day of this present world, burning man's works off the earth by God's consuming fire. Paul showed the same kind of thing at the end of Hebrews 12. That event is going to end this present world time and usher all into Christ's future Millennial reign with His elect.

Since at any given moment on earth it is actually 2 different calendar days happening simultaneously/ concurrently, there can be no single "Final Day" of this present world, It would have to be "final 2 days" at the very least.

 

[Davy]

In my view, the Rapture and Second Coming are separate and near simultaneous events.

The Second Coming occurs after the appearance of the anti-christ in Temple.

2 Thessalonians 2 (NASB)...Man of Lawlessness = anti christ
1 Now we request you, brethren, with regard to the (SECOND) coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our GATHERING (Matthew 24) together to Him,
2 that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a (evil) spirit or a message or a letter as if from us,
to the effect that "the day of the Lord" has come.
3 Let no one in any way deceive you,
for it (SECOND coming) will not come unless the "apostasy" (falling away) comes first, AND
"the man of lawlessness" is revealed, "the son of destruction", (THE anti-christ 666)
4 who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship,
so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God.

That's Confusion.

Paul was specific in that 2 Thess.2 chapter that Christ's COMING AND GATHERING OF THE CHURCH will not occur until that apostasy and the Antichrist is revealed. Thus there is NO rapture before the Antichrist shows up.

Nor are there two comings of Jesus. Acts 1 and Zechariah 14 reveals Christ is returning to this earth when He appears. He is not going to rapture His Church to Heaven.

 

[Ron Gurley]

2 Peter 3 (NASB)...

Purpose of This Letter

3 This is now, beloved, the second letter I am writing to you in which I am stirring up your sincere mind by way of reminder,
2 that you should remember the words spoken beforehand by the holy prophets and the commandment of the Lord and Savior spoken by your apostles.

The Coming "Day of the LORD"

3 Know this first of all, that in the last days mockers will come with their mocking, following after their own lusts, 4 and saying,
“Where is the promise of His coming?
For ever since the fathers fell asleep (DIED), all continues just as it was from the beginning of creation.”
5 For when they maintain this, it escapes their notice that by the word of God (Genesis)
the heavens existed long ago and
the earth was formed out of water and by water,
6 through which the world at that time was destroyed, being flooded with water.
7 But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire,
kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.

8 But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day.
9 The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.

A New Heaven and New Earth and New Jerusalem (SEE: Revelation 21 !)

10 But "the day of the LORD" will come like a thief,
in which the heavens (ATMOSPHERE?) will pass away with a roar
and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat,
and the earth and its (WICKED) works will be burned up.

11 Since all these things are to be destroyed in this way, what sort of people ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness,
12 looking for and hastening the coming of "the day of God", because of which the heavens will be destroyed by burning,
and the elements will melt with intense heat!
13 But according to His promise we are looking for "new heavens and a new earth", in which (ONLY) righteousness dwells.

18 but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To Him be the glory, both now and to the day of eternity. Amen.

 

[Ron Gurley]

The difference between the rapture of the Church and the second coming of Jesus

 

[BABerean2]

THE anti-christ:

Daniel 11:31
Forces from him will arise, desecrate the sanctuary fortress, and do away with the regular sacrifice. And they will set up the abomination of desolation.

Daniel 12:11
From the time that the regular sacrifice is abolished and the abomination of desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days.

Matthew 24:15
“Therefore when you see the abomination of desolation which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand),

Man of Lawlessness / Son of Destruction

Beast = Man named 666

1 John 2:18
Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that (THE) antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared; from this we know that it is the last hour.

1 John 2:22
Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son.

1 John 4:3
and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.

2 John 1:7
For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.

These seem to be the same dude to me. Why not?

Hanukkah is why not.

John 10:22

(CJB) Then came Hanukkah in Yerushalayim. It was winter,

(ESV) At that time the Feast of Dedication took place at Jerusalem. It was winter,

(Geneva) And it was at Hierusalem the feast of the Dedication, and it was winter.

(Greek NT TR) εγενετο δε τα εγκαινια εν τοις ιεροσολυμοις και χειμων ην

(GW) The Festival of the Dedication of the Temple took place in Jerusalem during the winter.

(LITV-TSP) And the Feast of Dedication took place in Jerusalem, and it was winter.

(KJV) And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter.

(KJV+) AndG1161 it wasG1096 atG1722 JerusalemG2414 theG3588 feast of the dedication,G1456 andG2532 it wasG2258 winter.G5494

(NKJV) Now it was the Feast of Dedication in Jerusalem, and it was winter.

(YLT) And the dedication in Jerusalem came, and it was winter,

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From "Antiquities of the Jews" by Josephus, Book 12, chapter 7

"6. When therefore the generals of Antiochus's armies had been beaten so often, Judas assembled the people together, and told them, that after these many victories which God had given them, they ought to go up to Jerusalem, and purify the temple, and offer the appointed sacrifices. But as soon as he, with the whole multitude, was come to Jerusalem, and found the temple deserted, and its gates burnt down, and plants growing in the temple of their own accord, on account of its desertion, he and those that were with him began to lament, and were quite confounded at the sight of the temple; so he chose out some of his soldiers, and gave them order to fight against those guards that were in the citadel, until he should have purified the temple. When therefore he had carefully purged it, and had brought in new vessels, the candlestick, the table [of shew-bread], and the altar [of incense], which were made of gold, he hung up the veils at the gates, and added doors to them. He also took down the altar [of burnt-offering], and built a new one of stones that he gathered together, and not of such as were hewn with iron tools. So on the five and twentieth day of the month Casleu, which the Macedonians call Apeliens, they lighted the lamps that were on the candlestick, and offered incense upon the altar [of incense], and laid the loaves upon the table [of shew-bread], and offered burnt-offerings upon the new altar [of burnt-offering]. Now it so fell out, that these things were done on the very same day on which their Divine worship had fallen off, and was reduced to a profane and common use, after three years' time; for so it was, that the temple was made desolate by Antiochus, and so continued for three years. This desolation happened to the temple in the hundred forty and fifth year, on the twenty-fifth day of the month Apeliens, and on the hundred fifty and third olympiad: but it was dedicated anew, on the same day, the twenty-fifth of the month Apeliens, on the hundred and forty-eighth year, and on the hundred and fifty-fourth olympiad. And this desolation came to pass according to the prophecy of Daniel, which was given four hundred and eight years before; for he declared that the Macedonians would dissolve that worship [for some time].

7. Now Judas celebrated the festival of the restoration of the sacrifices of the temple for eight days, and omitted no sort of pleasures thereon; but he feasted them upon very rich and splendid sacrifices; and he honored God, and delighted them by hymns and psalms. Nay, they were so very glad at the revival of their customs, when, after a long time of intermission, they unexpectedly had regained the freedom of their worship, that they made it a law for their posterity, that they should keep a festival, on account of the restoration of their temple worship, for eight days. And from that time to this we celebrate this festival, and call it Lights. I suppose the reason was, because this liberty beyond our hopes appeared to us; and that thence was the name given to that festival. Judas also rebuilt the walls round about the city, and reared towers of great height against the incursions of enemies, and set guards therein. He also fortified the city Bethsura, that it might serve as a citadel against any distresses that might come from our enemies. "


Josephus confirms above the understanding of the Jews of his time, who knew that Daniel had predicted the events of 167 BC, by Antiochus Epiphanes.
Josephus confirms it as a historical fact.


John 10:22 is a reference to the celebration of Hanukkah each year by the Jews of Jesus time.


The Book of Matthew was addressed mainly to a Jewish audience. Jesus was telling the Jews of His time that something similar to 167 BC would happen during 70 AD. Not only did Antiochus desecrate the temple, but he also attacked the city killing thousands of Jews and stopped the temple sacrifices. The temple sacrifices would also stop in 70 AD, due to the destruction of the temple. Based on John 10:22, the Jews were well aware of this historical fulfillment of Daniel’s prophecy. Luke’s Gospel was written to more of a Gentile audience, so he spelled it out for them.


Matthew 24:15-16 and Luke 21:20-21 are clearly parallel accounts, because we have the exact same warning to flee from Judea to the mountains in the second verse of each Gospel.

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[Revealing Times]

Where exactly does 2 Thess 2 say there will be a rapture to heaven of the church?


The great and terrible Day of the Lord's wrath will happen in one literal day.
Isaiah 9:14, Isaiah 29:5-6, Zechariah 3:9, Revelation 18:8, +

You are wrong as usual. SURPRISE, SURPRISE, SURPRISE. Which is why I never reply to you, I don't read your posts. This was so short I read it accidentally.

 

[Micah888]

"The DAY of the LORD": What is it?

It's amazing how many different responses there have been to this question.

1. The Day of the LORD has been repeatedly prophesied in the OT as well as the NT.

2. IT is quite evident that it is NOT a 24 hour day but a period of time.

3. It is that FUTURE period of time during which God pours out all of His wrath on the unbelieving and ungodly world BEFORE the Second Coming of Christ.

4. It corresponds to the 6th and 7th seal judgments in the book of Revelation, and according to Peter, it also includes the supernatural burning up of the earth.

5. The Great Tribulation is the same as the Day of of the Lord.

6. The Day of the LORD is not the same as the Day of Christ. And it is definitely NOT "the Lord's Day" (the first day of the week) which is for Christian worship, rest, and good works.

 

[parousia70]

1. The Day of the LORD has been repeatedly prophesied in the OT as well as the NT.

Agreed.

2. IT is quite evident that it is NOT a 24 hour day but a period of time.

Also Agreed

3. It is that FUTURE period of time during which God pours out all of His wrath on the unbelieving and ungodly world BEFORE the Second Coming of Christ.

Wait... so these verses describe a time yet future to us?:
Lamentations 1:12
behold, and see if there be any sorrow like unto my sorrow, which is done unto me, wherewith the LORD hath afflicted me in the day of his fierce anger.

Lamentations 2:1
How hath the Lord covered the daughter of Zion with a cloud in his anger, and cast down from heaven unto the earth the beauty of Israel, and remembered not his footstool in the day of his anger.

Lamentations 2:21
The young and the old lie on the ground in the streets: my virgins and my young men are fallen by the sword; thou hast slain them in the day of thine anger; thou hast killed, and not pitied.

Lamentations 2:22
Thou hast called as in a solemn day my terrors round about, so that in the day of the LORD'S anger none escaped nor remained

And it is definitely NOT "the Lord's Day" (the first day of the week) which is for Christian worship, rest, and good works.

So the Wrath of the Lord and the Lord's Wrath are not the same?
The Mercy of the Lord and the Lords Mercy are not the same?
The Wisdom of the Lord and the Lords Wisdom are not the same?

Where does scripture teach anything of the sort?

 

[Micah888]

Where does scripture teach anything of the sort?

I believe you have misunderstood. The Lord's Day is the first day of the week and meant for Christian worship. It has absolutely nothing to do with the Day of the LORD.

Joel.2
[1] Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand;
[2] A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations.
[3] A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them.
[4] The appearance of them is as the appearance of horses; and as horsemen, so shall they run.
[5] Like the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap, like the noise of a flame of fire that devoureth the stubble, as a strong people set in battle array.
[6] Before their face the people shall be much pained: all faces shall gather blackness.
[7] They shall run like mighty men; they shall climb the wall like men of war; and they shall march every one on his ways, and they shall not break their ranks:
[8] Neither shall one thrust another; they shall walk every one in his path: and when they fall upon the sword, they shall not be wounded.
[9] They shall run to and fro in the city; they shall run upon the wall, they shall climb up upon the houses; they shall enter in at the windows like a thief.
[10] The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining:
[11] And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the LORD is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?

 

[keras]

You are wrong as usual. SURPRISE, SURPRISE, SURPRISE. Which is why I never reply to you, I don't read your posts. This was so short I read it accidentally.

I understand.
Having your beliefs challenged and being unable to refute me. is a hard thing.
So your response is to ignore me? Exactly what ancient Israel did to the Prophets and when I promote what they wrote; what do I get? Abuse, ignored and told in strong terms to shut up. Luckily I am far enough away to avoid the physical harm and being murdered, as the ancient prophets were.
I reiterate: I am not a prophet, I am a messenger for the prophets, as my name Keraz means. Believe the message or remain in the dark about what God has planned for HIs people in these last days.

 

[gideon123]

The Bible verse says ... and the elements will be dissolved in fire. And you are asking ... What is it? How does anything survive this??

 

[keras]

I believe you have misunderstood. The Lord's Day is the first day of the week and meant for Christian worship. It has absolutely nothing to do with the Day of the LORD.

Joel.2
[1] Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand;
[2] A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations.
[3] A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them.
[4] The appearance of them is as the appearance of horses; and as horsemen, so shall they run.
[5] Like the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap, like the noise of a flame of fire that devoureth the stubble, as a strong people set in battle array.
[6] Before their face the people shall be much pained: all faces shall gather blackness.
[7] They shall run like mighty men; they shall climb the wall like men of war; and they shall march every one on his ways, and they shall not break their ranks:
[8] Neither shall one thrust another; they shall walk every one in his path: and when they fall upon the sword, they shall not be wounded.
[9] They shall run to and fro in the city; they shall run upon the wall, they shall climb up upon the houses; they shall enter in at the windows like a thief.
[10] The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining:
[11] And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the LORD is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?

Joel 2:2 gives the clue as to what Joel is describing here. ….as the morning spreads upon the mountains. or; as the dawn shines over the mountains....
Verse 5 They leap over the mountains with great noise and flames of fire.....

This is how it will be as the mass of superheated plasma ejected from the sun, Isaiah 30:26a, will come upon all the nations as they revolve eastward to face the sun.
The initial strike will hit the earth at mid day Middle Eastern time. Zephaniah 2:4
So looking at a globe map of the earth, we can see that most of the world will experience the direct hit; Africa, most of Asia and Europe. Then as the earth rotates; the Americas, the Pacific, Japan and China.
This disaster is survivable, we are told to take cover, Isaiah 26:20-21, and people will scramble to hide among the rocks, Isaiah 2:19-21, Revelation 6:15-16.

This Day of the Lord; His vengeance and wrath against the nations, will be the first event of the final few years before Jesus Returns.

 

[parousia70]

I believe you have misunderstood.

Maybe, But I don't think so.

The Lord's Day is the first day of the week

You have made this assertion but I can not find one single scripture that teaches this... what scripture can you cite to support your claim that the Lord's day in scripture = the first day of the week?

I think you have nothing but speculation and man-made tradition to support this claim.

It has absolutely nothing to do with the Day of the LORD.

I maintain they are synonymous, just like the Lord's wrath and the wrath of the lord, the Lord's vengeance and the vengeance of the lord, the Lord's mercy and the mercy of the lord... all these BIBLICAL terms are synonyms.

Now, you didn't answer but I am ever curious so I'll ask again about the verses I posted from Lamentations above...

Do you maintain that Jeremiah was foretelling about a day that is yet future in those passages where he is referencing the "day of the lord"?

 

[Douggg]

Where exactly does 2 Thess 2 say there will be a rapture to heaven of the church?

Hi keras, in 1Thessalonians4:15-18 is the rapture (and resurrection). 1Thessalonians5, if we didn't have the chapter designations, it would be more clear that Paul was continuing on the subject, and saying when it would talke place. Before the Day of the Lord - because we are not appointed unto wrath.

Then later in another letter to the Thessalonians, in 2Thessalonians2, he gets more definitive on the Day of the Lord, what triggers it, and how to know that it has begun, other that the condition right before it of the Jews and the world - them who are unsaved - saying peace and safety.

Which is the falling away from faith. Which if we analyze why the Jews and the world will be saying peace and safety - it will be because they will be thinking they have entered the messianic age. And the falling away from the faith in Jesus - because many will become convinced the Antichrist person is the real messiah... and give up on Christianity.

I have talked to many Jews about what they think the future of Christianity is. And they say in light of when the real messiach comes and starts fulfilling what they think the messiah does - Christianity will simply fade away - people will give up on it. Which is exactly what Paul was indicating.

Once everyone is deluded that the messianic era has begun, and the Antichrist the real messiah, their world is turned upside down when said messiah goes into the temple, sits, claims to be God. Revealing himself to be the man of sin - instead of being the real messiah. That act triggers the Day of the Lord, and the wrath of God that comes with it at its beginning.

Which back in 1Thessalonians5, when Paul was explaining when the rapture would take place - it would be
be before the Day of the Lord. So the believers in Christ are out of the world at that point. And the world goes through the great tribulation that shortly follows and lasts for 1335 days.

The catch and key is that you have to realize that chapter 5 in 1Thessalonians is just a continuation of chapter 4 of Paul saying when the rapture will take place. Before the Day of the Lord begins.

Then in 2Thessalonians2 is Paul again speaking about the Day of the Lord, and the rapture taking place before then.

 

[LastSeven]

The day of the Lord is "the last day". On which we are resurrected, death is swallowed up in victory and the sun never sets. It's eternity.

 

[Douggg]

The day of the Lord is "the last day". On which we are resurrected, death is swallowed up in victory and the sun never sets. It's eternity.

If we consider a day to be a thousand years. then the Day of the Lord, the last day, is a thousand years, beginning with the 7 years of Daniel 9:27.

And Paul indicating the rapture/resurrection before the Day of the Lord begins wihen the person reveals himself to be the man of sin - and not the messiah - then it makes sense.

 

[keras]

Hi keras, in 1Thessalonians4:15-18 is the rapture (and resurrection).

We must be clear about this 'harpazo' that Paul prophesies. It is NOT to heaven, as many would like to think. And it is NOT a resurrection. Although, soon after Jesus Returns and destroys the armies of the AC, He will bring the souls of the martyrs back to life. Revelation 20:4
2 Thess 4:17 and Matthew 24:31 tell us that when Jesus Returns, He will send His angels to gather all who have stood strong in their faith during all the previous trials and testing. To Jerusalem, where Jesus will be then.

Before the Day of the Lord - because we are not appointed unto wrath.

This nonsense statement, conflicts with a lot of scripture. We must face testing, but God's wrath is directed at those who reject Him and who fail to keep faithful to God.

I have talked to many Jews about what they think the future of Christianity is. And they say in light of when the real messiach comes and starts fulfilling what they think the messiah does - Christianity will simply fade away - people will give up on it. Which is exactly what Paul was indicating.

Do you believe this????????

The catch and key is that you have to realize that chapter 5 in 1Thessalonians is just a continuation of chapter 4 of Paul saying when the rapture will take place. Before the Day of the Lord begins.

Rubbish. They don't mean that at all. Your idea makes the Day of the Lord's wrath happen at the Return. It is the Sixth Seal, years before the Return.

The day of the Lord is "the last day". On which we are resurrected, death is swallowed up in victory and the sun never sets. It's eternity.

That will be another Day of the Lord; the Day of the Great White Throne Judgement.
Yet to come for us, is the great and terrible Day of the Lord's vengeance and wrath against the nations. The world changer that will set the scene for all the end times events.

If we consider a day to be a thousand years. then the Day of the Lord, the last day, is a thousand years, beginning with the 7 years of Daniel 9:27.

And Paul indicating the rapture/resurrection before the Day of the Lord begins wihen the person reveals himself to be the man of sin - and not the messiah - then it makes sense.

Sorry, that idea doesn't make sense at all.
The 1000 year reign of Jesus cannot begin with the last 7 years of Daniel.

The Anti-Christ person is just the Leader of the One World Govt, Daniel 7:23-26. He is killed and then his body is taken over by Satan. Revelation 13:3-4 He declares himself to be god in the Temple. I don't see anywhere that he purports to be the Messiah.