The Creation Museum

[sjastro]

Funny thing is, someone once calculated that a car like that could actually reach speeds comparable to a motorcar on a highway, but the problem would be that it would take a huge distance to slow back down.

The creation museum tells us they must have been very fit in the Stone Age.

 

[pitabread]

How did you arrive at sell, i mentioned noting about selling, I stated free.

I guess people just see it they way they want to.

I'm using the term "selling" in a metaphorical sense. It's not really free, since it involves the adoption of a particular belief system and everything that comes with that.

And beyond that, let's be honest here; religion is big business especially in the U.S. For example, Answers in Genesis takes in tens of millions of $ in revenue each year.

 

[d taylor]

I'm using the term "selling" in a metaphorical sense. It's not really free, since it involves the adoption of a particular belief system and everything that comes with that.

And beyond that, let's be honest here; religion is big business especially in the U.S. For example, Answers in Genesis takes in tens of millions of $ in revenue each year.

If it is not free then explain the cost., because i have none.

Trusting in The Messiah for Eternal Life does not require adopting a system. It simply is a belief that evidence presented is true.

 

[driewerf]

Mass murders and mass killers usually don't warn their targets ahead of time.

Noah preached for 120 years of God's righteousness, before the Flood occurred.

God sent nine plagues on Egypt before "the big one."

Oh, and that makes it right?
So next time a woman wants an abortion, she just says it to the fetus a day ahead and things are alright?

 

[pitabread]

If it is not free then explain the cost., because i have none.

Really? So none of your personal convictions, decisions, etc., are made on the basis of your religious beliefs?

Let's test that then.

What is your position on the following and why:

* Abortion
* Gay marriage
* Sex before marriage
* Transsexual/transgender rights

Trusting in The Messiah for Eternal Life does not require adopting a system. It simply is a belief that evidence presented is true.

The problem is the evidence doesn't really support it; at least not when one adopts a rigorous standard for that evidence. I've often said that if fundamentalists required the same level of evidence they demand of science, they'd all be atheists.

However such beliefs are not typically adopted on the basis of rational evidence, but rather adopted for emotional reasons, personal fulfillment, etc.

 

[d taylor]

Really? So none of your personal convictions, decisions, etc., are made on the basis of your religious beliefs?

Let's test that then.

What is your position on the following and why:

* Abortion
* Gay marriage
* Sex before marriage
* Transsexual/transgender rights



The problem is the evidence doesn't really support it; at least not when one adopts a rigorous standard for that evidence. I've often said that if fundamentalists required the same level of evidence they demand of science, they'd all be atheists.

However such beliefs are not typically adopted on the basis of rational evidence, but rather adopted for emotional reasons, personal fulfillment, etc.

Are we talking about how a person receives the free gift of eternal life or some political agenda, because they are not same.

 

[Speedwell]

Are we talking about how a person receives the free gift of eternal life or some political agenda, because they are not same.

Under the Trump administration they appear to have become the same thing. But neither is on topic for this forum.

 

[pitabread]

Are we talking about how a person receives the free gift of eternal life or some political agenda, because they are not same.

Answer the question I posed and let's find out then.

What is your position on the following and why:

* Abortion
* Gay marriage
* Sex before marriage
* Transsexual/transgender rights

 

[pitabread]

But neither is on topic for this forum.

Given how sparse the discussions on this forum, does that matter? Nobody really discusses evolution/creationism much anymore.

 

[ripple the car]

What do you like or dislike about the Creation Museum in Kentucky?

I’ve been there. They put a lot of work into it, and I appreciate their efforts and outreach.

They also had a baby zonkey, which was awesome.

I do believe in Creation. And a literal Flood. So, it’s helpful to hear from folks who see geology as Scripture-confirming.

 

[d taylor]

Answer the question I posed and let's find out then.

What is your position on the following and why:

* Abortion
* Gay marriage
* Sex before marriage
* Transsexual/transgender rights

I can not answer it, as your list does not factor into receiving eternal life.

 

[pitabread]

I can not answer it, as your list does not factor into receiving eternal life.

You could answer it; you're choosing not to because you know the point I'm getting at. This gift of eternal life comes with a bunch of uncomfortable baggage. That you're avoiding even addressing this is an answer unto itself.

So no, your "free" gift is not free at all. It's got a price.

 

[pitabread]

So, it’s helpful to hear from folks who see geology as Scripture-confirming.

Which is their entire shtick: convince the lay public that science confirms creationist beliefs when the reality is anything but.

The truth is that geology doesn't confirm the Young Earth belief nor the idea of global flood. If YEC geology was really the truth, then the oil/gas/mining industries would have adopted YEC geology decades ago.

But for believers, that doesn't really matter. Things like the Creation Museum exists just to tell people what they want to hear.

 

[Speedwell]

I can not answer it, as your list does not factor into receiving eternal life.

Can you at least tell us whether you think that salvation can be attained without believing in a young Earth or a literal global flood?

 

[AV1611VET]

Aren't we getting off track here, guys?

 

[driewerf]

What do you like or dislike about the Creation Museum in Kentucky?

Well, to get this back on track; Answers in Genesis has disabled the possibility to comment on all its videos on Youtube. Which is quite a downer.

 

[driewerf]

Any claim about the nature of the earth is a scientific claim. The flooding of the plane is a scientific claim that can be tested.

Indeed the claim that it was created in a seven day week is a claim about the facts of the history of planet Earth - in this case a claim about the origins of life on Earth and the existence of Sun and Moon as well as the geography and atmosphere of Earth.

I would never doubt that obvious detail.

Scientific claims can be tested. How can you test all the claims made in the Creation Museum? And what was the outcome of these tests?

 

[driewerf]

Which is their entire shtick: convince the lay public that science confirms creationist beliefs when the reality is anything but.

The truth is that geology doesn't confirm the Young Earth belief nor the idea of global flood. If YEC geology was really the truth, then the oil/gas/mining industries would have adopted YEC geology decades ago.

But for believers, that doesn't really matter. Things like the Creation Museum exists just to tell people what they want to hear.

(The emphasis is mine)
To react to the last sentence: the Creation Museum exists just to make easy money from American christians. Have you ever wondered why Ken Ham and Ray Comfort came from New Zealand to the USA to preach christianity. If they wanted to convert people to christianity the would go to places where the majority of the people are NOT christian, yet they chose the USA where 80% is christian: there are none to convert but so much more to make pay some money. Other money makers are (were) Kent Hovind, Jack Chick, the people behind the God is not dead movies etc.

 

[AV1611VET]

To react to the last sentence: the Creation Museum exists just to make easy money from American christians.

Seems to me atheists go there as well.

Have you ever wondered why Ken Ham en Ray Comfort came from New Zealand to the USA to preach christianity.

Because God called them here?

If they wanted to convert people to christianity the would go to places where the majority of the people are NOT christian,

Unless God told them otherwise.

Jonah certainly didn't want to go to Nineveh; and Amos lived in Judah, but was called to Israel.

... yet they chose the USA ...

Or it was chosen for them.

 

[pitabread]

Seems to me atheists go there as well.

Fair point. Although atheists go there more as a carnival side show than anything else.

Because God called them here?

Nah, they followed the money. As driewerf said, the USA is already a prime market to profit from creationists.

Unless God told them otherwise.

Riches shall be blessed upon thee if thy peddles thy shtick in the USA.