The Creation Museum

[Speedwell]

This is nothing but another creationist attempt to turn the creation/evolution discussion into a theist/atheist dispute.

 

[pitabread]

Clearly we differ.

Correct. One of us understands the science in question and one of us doesn't.

Like I said, you can learn it if you really wanted to (per the resources I linked). But I suspect that you don't.

 

[pitabread]

(A world class well-accepted atheist evolutionist)

Atheism has nothing to do with whether evolution is valid or useful as a science.

 

[pitabread]

This is nothing but another creationist attempt to turn the creation/evolution discussion into a theist/atheist dispute.

But of course, that's all creationists care about. Creationists in general don't care about science.

 

[Speedwell]

But of course, that's all creationists care about. Creationists in general don't care about science.

That, and the fact that creationism as a scientific proposition has been off the table for 200 years.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

I do believe in Creation. And a literal Flood. So, it’s helpful to hear from folks who see geology as Scripture-confirming.

If you already believe it, in what sense is it helpful to hear from those folks? just knowing you have fellow believers, or something else?

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Because God called them here?
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Unless God told them otherwise.
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Jonah certainly didn't want to go to Nineveh; and Amos lived in Judah, but was called to Israel.
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Or it was chosen for them.

So much for free will, eh?

 

[AV1611VET]

That, and the fact that creationism as a scientific proposition has been off the table for 200 years.

Yet it doesn't stop academians for wanting scientific evidence.

Why is that?

Perhaps it is academia that is keeping it on the table?

 

[AV1611VET]

So much for free will, eh?

Um ... Jonah exercised his free will and got on a ship to Joppa, not Nineveh.

 

[BobRyan]

I’ve been there. They put a lot of work into it, and I appreciate their efforts and outreach.

They also had a baby zonkey, which was awesome.

I do believe in Creation. And a literal Flood. So, it’s helpful to hear from folks who see geology as Scripture-confirming.

Amen.

Notice that there are some here that side with creation as it is in scripture and some who side by contrast with evolution. Interesting the way these groups align themselves.

 

[Speedwell]

Yet it doesn't stop academians for wanting scientific evidence.

Why is that?

Perhaps it is academia that is keeping it on the table?

They only ask for evidence from those creationists who insist that creationism is scientifically viable. A bit snarky, that, because they already know there isn't any.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Um ... Jonah exercised his free will and got on a ship to Joppa, not Nineveh.

If, as you said, he "certainly didn't want to go to Nineveh", it suggests some form of perceived coercion... This is the problem with free will (particularly when the act is not what the actor wants to do) - a case can always be made that it isn't really 'free'.

 

[AV1611VET]

They only ask for evidence from those creationists who insist that creationism is scientifically viable.

Really?

I'm second to none here in saying creationism had absolutely nothing to do with science whatsoever; and that doesn't stop others from asking me for evidence.

 

[AV1611VET]

If, as you said, he "certainly didn't want to go to Nineveh", it suggests some form of perceived coercion... This is the problem with free will (particularly when the act is not what the actor wants to do) - a case can always be made that it isn't really 'free'.

Did your parents take freewill away from you? or did they "coerce" you with a switch?

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Did your parents take freewill away from you? or did they "coerce" you with a switch?

A switch? you mean physical chastisement? I've had my share of that.

But, in any case, I think free will is a problematic concept. As Schopenhauer said, "A man can do what he wants but not want what he wants", i.e. ultimately, we are not in control of what motivates us.

 

[driewerf]

How do you test the belief that a bacteria will turn into horse given enough time and chance ... scientifically?

Dear BobRyan,
Since you're back in this thread, I want to point out that you haven't answered this question:
The Creation Museum

And reacted to this question with a counter question;
The Creation Museum
yet failed to answer.

just a gentle reminder.

 

[Ophiolite]

How do you test the belief that a bacteria will turn into horse given enough time and chance ... scientifically?

You scrupulously and repeatedly examine and analyse and review and dissect and synthesise and contest and explore and resolve the data available from palaeontology, microbiology, genetics, comparative anatomy, biochemistry, organic chemistry, geochemistry, stratigraphy, developmental biology and a host of other specialities. You do this over the course of more than a century involving hundreds of thousands of scientists, publishing their results in millions of research papers.

You dont' refute it by making fatuous, unsupported assertions that amount to nothing more than an expression of personal incredulity. But if that makes you feel more secure, go for it.

 

[driewerf]

I am more than happy to quote what world class atheist evolutionist say about the flaws in evolution.

world class atheist evolutionists often are treated as the "gold standard" in some circles.
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But just imagine if the "gold standard" of evolutionists (A world class well-accepted atheist evolutionist)
Bottom line is -- they are the undisputed gold standard in "some circles".

Would you care to clarify who these "world class atheist evolutionist", how they achieve gold standard etc and in what "circles" they are undisputed?

 

[driewerf]

Yet it doesn't stop academians for wanting scientific evidence.

Why is that?

Because creationists pretend 200 years long that they have said evidence but always fail to deliver. The last example is BobRyan in this very thread.

As the saying goes:"Empty barrels make the most noise".

 

[AV1611VET]

Because creationists pretend 200 years long that they have said evidence but always fail to deliver. The last example is BobRyan in this very thread.

As the saying goes:"Empty barrels make the most noise".

Then why am I asked for evidence as well?