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The rendering of the the Deuteronomy 5 version of the ten commandments has a different reasoning other than the last day. it is represented as the first day of the new calendar in the wilderness. It would seem both days first and last are used to represent the eternal rest the substance the shadow points to . We are not to judge one another in regard to shadows of ceremonial law, carnal ordinances could never make on perfect as to thier consciences they are not moral spiritual laws .

Deuteronomy5:15 And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the Lord thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the Lord thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.
God specifically stated the Sabbath is the seventh day from creation Genesis 2:3 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

The seventh day Sabbath is not a ceremonial shadow law as we will be worshipping God on His Sabbath day in heaven forever Isaiah 66:23 - And it shall come to pass That from one New Moon to another, And from one Sabbath to another, All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

The commandments of God are eternal it is how we get to know Him 1 John 2:3
Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.

and show God our love

2 John 6 This is love, that we walk according to His commandments. This is the commandment, that as you have heard from the beginning, you should walk in it.

God Bless
 
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God specifically stated the Sabbath is the seventh day from creation Genesis 2:3 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

The seventh day Sabbath is not a ceremonial shadow law as we will be worshipping God on His Sabbath day in heaven forever Isaiah 66:23 - And it shall come to pass That from one New Moon to another, And from one Sabbath to another, All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

The commandments of God are eternal it is how we get to know Him 1 John 2:3
Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.

and show God our love

2 John 6 This is love, that we walk according to His commandments. This is the commandment, that as you have heard from the beginning, you should walk in it.

God Bless

Yes they are never ending in this life under the sun they as shadows point to the eternal rest the never ending. Ceremonial laws .

Why the two different rendering of the same sabbath given as parables the signified understanding. ?(Exodus 20 and Deuteronomy 5.) One the last day and the other the first day of the new calendar? (first and last)

Are parables used to determine moral laws?
 
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OK---than why do they keep Sunday when the disciples kept the 7th day even long after the resurrection?
It appears that they kept Saturday only for a very short time. A few years. Sunday worship definitely was the rule during the lifetimes of the Apostles.
 
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Yes they are never ending in this life under the sun they as shadows point to the eternal rest the never ending. Ceremonial laws .

Why the two different rendering of the same sabbath given as parables the signified understanding. ?(Exodus 20 and Deuteronomy 5.) One the last day and the other the first day of the new calendar? (first and last)

Are parables used to determine moral laws?

I believe the Sabbath is an eternal law written by God with His own finger.

Where are you seeing the first day in Deuteronomy 5
2 ‘Observe the Sabbath day, to keep it holy, as the Lord your God commanded you. 13 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 14 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your ox, nor your donkey, nor any of your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates, that your male servant and your female servant may rest as well as you.
 
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It appears that they kept Saturday only for a very short time. A few years. Sunday worship definitely was the rule during the lifetimes of the Apostles.
Are you referring to after the Bible? The Bible clearly shows all the apostles kept Sabbath like Jesus .
 
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Are you referring to after the Bible? The Bible clearly shows all the apostles kept Sabbath like Jesus .
The Bible also clearly shows that Sunday was the day of worship. (The Sabbath itself, as we've already noted, was not moved.)
 
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The Bible also clearly shows that Sunday was the day of worship. (The Sabbath itself, as we've already noted, was not moved.)
Where does it show that? The only scripture ever given was the the apostle broke bread (had a meal). The day we worship would be the day God asked the one where He "Blessed" "Sanctified" Made "Holy" asked us to set aside and "Rest" and also asked us to "Remember" God and Jesus never transferred that day to the first day in the Bible.
 
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I get it, it must make perfect sense to you that "God wrote directly on these tablets of stone, that makes them extra important"

Turns out - that is what the Bible says.

And Paul specifically brings this up in Eph 6:1-2 pointing specifically to that unit of TEN when he notes that the 5th commandment "is the first commandment with a promise" -

I prefer the actual Bible.

How "nice" then that EVEN these Sunday sources all affirm ALL of the Ten Commandments for Christians and written on the heart under the Jer 31:31-34 New Covenant.

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism.
 
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I believe the Sabbath is an eternal law written by God with His own finger.

Where are you seeing the first day in Deuteronomy 5
2 ‘Observe the Sabbath day, to keep it holy, as the Lord your God commanded you. 13 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 14 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your ox, nor your donkey, nor any of your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates, that your male servant and your female servant may rest as well as you.

Exoudus12: 16 And in the first day there shall be an holy convocation, and in the seventh day there shall be an holy convocation to you; no manner of work shall be done in "them", save that which every man must eat, that only may be done of you.

It would appear two days were set aside the first and the last. The last day or first day of the Sabbath was preparation cooking the manna was allowed as part of that rest . The first day they could eat it the fast by which they could be heard on high (the gospel ) sharing their food clothing and shelter on a day when regular work was ne not needed a good work he worked in the believers .

No restrictions on how far they could walk or gather food. Three meals were allowed. Like when Jesus plucked corn on the sabbath the last day in preparation for the first day of the week . . One man did not prepare the manna of the first day of rest , but waited till the first day of the week gathered sticks for firewood .He was used as a example of what not to do like the example in the new testament when a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife were used as a do not.

Numbers 15:31-33 King James Version (KJV) Because he hath despised the word of the Lord, and hath broken his commandment, that soul shall utterly be cut off; his iniquity shall be upon him. And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day. And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation.

The man in the new testament falsely bragged he only ate two of the three meal ls on the first day of the week, the Sabbath.

For some reason the paraphrasers replaced the word sabbath with the word week .A word not even used by the Greek when inspired from above. It makes the sentence senseless giving the illusion he tithed twice a week and not on the same one day . Sunday, the first day .

The word Sabbath rest is a non time senititive word changing it to week speaks volumes I would think. Nine times the word Sabbath was replaced with the word week. even in the Youngs literal who get it right in Mathew 28:1 (Sabbaths not week) . Why he did not continue is a mystery to me.

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Luke 18:12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
 
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Exoudus12: 16 And in the first day there shall be an holy convocation, and in the seventh day there shall be an holy convocation to you; no manner of work shall be done in "them", save that which every man must eat, that only may be done of you.

It would appear two days were set aside the first and the last. The last day or first day of the Sabbath was preparation cooking the manna was allowed as part of that rest . The first day they could eat it the fast by which they could be heard on high (the gospel ) sharing their food clothing and shelter on a day when regular work was ne not needed a good work he worked in the believers .

No restrictions on how far they could walk or gather food. Three meals were allowed. Like when Jesus plucked corn on the sabbath the last day in preparation for the first day of the week . . One man did not prepare the manna of the first day of rest , but waited till the first day of the week gathered sticks for firewood .He was used as a example of what not to do like the example in the new testament when a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife were used as a do not.

You mistaken, Exodus 12:16 is regarding the days of unleavened bread...
 
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The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism.
Do any of those rebut the practice of Sunday worship?
 
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It appears that they kept Saturday only for a very short time. A few years. Sunday worship definitely was the rule during the lifetimes of the Apostles.
You have evidence of this? To my knowledge it wasn't until after the death of the apostles, and Greek/roman leaders take overs do you see Sunday embraced.
 
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LOL! History books dating from long before my church ever existed and from the Catholic church itself are not lies told by my church! Honestly, all you have to do is check history books, none of which were written by SDA's. The scriptures testify to the fact that the Apostles kept the 7th day Sabbath and it is stated up to 85 times. Yah, somes lying, it's not the scriptures, nor the history books.

The Disciples Kept the Sabbath 85 Times in Acts

The text of Constantine's Sunday Law of 321 A.D. is:

"One the venerable day of the Sun let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed. In the country however persons engaged in agriculture may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits because it often happens that another day is not suitable for gain-sowing or vine planting; lest by neglecting the proper moment for such operations the bounty of heaven should be lost."

"The Jewish wickedness" of which Xavier complained was evidently the Sabbath-keeping among those native Christians as we shall see in our next quotation. When one of these Sabbath-keeping Christians was taken by the Inquisition he was accused of having *Judaized*; which means having conformed to the ceremonies of the Mosaic Law; such as not eating pork, hare, fish without scales, of having attended the solemnization of the Sabbath." Account of the Inquisition at Goa, Dellon, p.56. London, 1815
those who observed the Sabbath were persecuted and killed by the Catholic church.
When the Jesuit St. Francis Xavier arrived in India he immediately requested to the pope to set up the Inquisition there.
"Of an hundred persons condemned to be burnt as Jews, there are scarcely four who profess that faith at their death; the rest exclaiming and protesting to their last gasp that they are Christians, and have been so during their whole lives." Ibid p.64

“They [the Protestants] deem it their duty to keep the Sunday holy. Why? Because the Catholic Church tells them to do so. They have no other reason...The observance of Sunday thus comes to be an ecclesiastical law entirely distinct from the divine law of Sabbath observance...The author of the Sunday law...is the Catholic Church.” Ecclesiastical Review, February 1914.

“The Sunday...is purely a creation of the Catholic Church.”American Catholic Quarterly Review, January 1883.

“Sunday...is the law of the Catholic Church alone...” American Sentinel (Catholic), June 1893.

“Sunday is a Catholic institution and its claim to observance can be defended only on Catholic principles...From beginning to end of Scripture there is not a single passage that warrants the transfer of weekly public worship from the last day of the week to the first.” Catholic Press, Sydney, Australia, August 1900.

“It is well to remind the Presbyterians, Baptists, Methodists, and all other Christians, that the Bible does not support them anywhere in their observance of Sunday. Sunday is an institution of the Roman Catholic Church, and those who observe the day observe a commandment of the Catholic Church.” Priest Brady, in an address reported in The News, Elizabeth, New Jersey, March 18, 1903.

“The arguments...are firmly grounded on the word of God, and having been closely studied with the Bible in hand, leave no escape for the conscientious Protestant except the abandonment of Sunday worship and the return to Saturday, commanded by their teacher, the Bible, or, unwilling to abandon the tradition of the Catholic Church, which enjoins the keeping of Sunday, and which they have accepted in direct opposition to their teacher, the Bible, consistently accept her (the Catholic Church) in all her teachings. Reason and common sense demand the acceptance of one or the other of these alternatives: either Protestantism and the keeping holy of Saturday, or Catholicism and the keeping holy of Sunday. Compromise is impossible.” James Cardinal Gibbons, in Catholic Mirror, December 23, 1893.

"If, therefore, those who were brought up in the ancient order of things have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord's Day, on which also our life has sprung up again by Him and by His death — whom some deny, by which mystery we have obtained faith, and therefore endure, that we may be found the disciples of Jesus Christ, our only Master — how shall we be able to live apart from Him, whose disciples the prophets themselves in the Spirit did wait for Him as their Teacher? And therefore He whom they rightly waited for, having come, raised them from the dead.

Let us not, therefore, be insensible to His kindness. For were He to reward us according to our works, we should cease to be. Therefore, having become His disciples, let us learn to live according to the principles of Christianity. For whosoever is called by any other name besides this, is not of God. Lay aside, therefore, the evil, the old, the sour leaven, and be changed into the new leaven, which is Jesus Christ. Be salted in Him, lest any one among you should be corrupted, since by your savour you shall be convicted. It is absurd to profess Christ Jesus, and to Judaize. For Christianity did not embrace Judaism, but Judaism Christianity, that so every tongue which believes might be gathered together to God.
" - St. Ignatius of Antioch, to the Magnesians

"Further, He says to them, 'Your new moons and your Sabbath I cannot endure.' You perceive how He speaks: Your present Sabbaths are not acceptable to Me, but that which I have made, when, giving rest to all things, I shall make a beginning of the eighth day, that is, a beginning of another world. Wherefore, also, we keep the eighth day with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead. And when He had manifested Himself, He ascended into the heavens." - Epistle of Barnabas, ch. 15

"And we afterwards continually remind each other of these things. And the wealthy among us help the needy; and we always keep together; and for all things wherewith we are supplied, we bless the Maker of all through His Son Jesus Christ, and through the Holy Ghost. And on the day called Sunday, all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits; then, when the reader has ceased, the president verbally instructs, and exhorts to the imitation of these good things. Then we all rise together and pray, and, as we before said, when our prayer is ended, bread and wine and water are brought, and the president in like manner offers prayers and thanksgivings, according to his ability, and the people assent, saying Amen; and there is a distribution to each, and a participation of that over which thanks have been given, and to those who are absent a portion is sent by the deacons. And they who are well to do, and willing, give what each thinks fit; and what is collected is deposited with the president, who succours the orphans and widows and those who, through sickness or any other cause, are in want, and those who are in bonds and the strangers sojourning among us, and in a word takes care of all who are in need. But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead. For He was crucified on the day before that of Saturn (Saturday); and on the day after that of Saturn, which is the day of the Sun, having appeared to His apostles and disciples, He taught them these things, which we have submitted to you also for your consideration." - St. Justin Martyr, First Apology, ch. 67

"But every Lord's day gather yourselves together, and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure. But let no one that is at variance with his fellow come together with you, until they be reconciled, that your sacrifice may not be profaned. For this is that which was spoken by the Lord: In every place and time offer to me a pure sacrifice; for I am a great King, says the Lord, and my name is wonderful among the nations." - Didache, ch. 14

"For in respect of the observance of the eighth day in the Jewish circumcision of the flesh, a sacrament was given beforehand in shadow and in usage; but when Christ came, it was fulfilled in truth. For because the eighth day, that is, the first day after the Sabbath, was to be that on which the Lord should rise again, and should quicken us, and give us circumcision of the spirit, the eighth day, that is, the first day after the Sabbath, and the Lord's day, went before in the figure; which figure ceased when by and by the truth came, and spiritual circumcision was given to us." - St. Cyrpian of Carthage, Epistle LVIII, To Rufus, 4

"This sixth day is called parasceve, that is to say, the preparation of the kingdom. For He perfected Adam, whom He made after His image and likeness. But for this reason He completed His works before He created angels and fashioned man, lest perchance they should falsely assert that they had been His helpers. On this day also, on account of the passion of the Lord Jesus Christ, we make either a station to God, or a fast. On the seventh day He rested from all His works, and blessed it, and sanctified it. On the former day we are accustomed to fast rigorously, that on the Lord's day we may go forth to our bread with giving of thanks. And let the parasceve become a rigorous fast, lest we should appear to observe any Sabbath with the Jews, which Christ Himself, the Lord of the Sabbath, says by His prophets that 'His soul hates;' which Sabbath He in His body abolished," - St. Victorinus, On the Creation of the World

"No one shall find fault with us for observing the fourth day of the week, and the preparation, on which it is reasonably enjoined us to fast according to the tradition. On the fourth day, indeed, because on it the Jews took counsel for the betrayal of the Lord; and on the sixth, because on it He himself suffered for us. But the Lord's day we celebrate as a day of joy, because on it He rose again, on which day we have received it for a custom not even to bow the knee." - St. Peter of Alexandria, Canonical Epistle, 15

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It appears that they kept Saturday only for a very short time. A few years. Sunday worship definitely was the rule during the lifetimes of the Apostles.

Actually that is not true. Jesus and all the Apostles always kept Gods' 4th commandment according to the 10 commandments all through their lives until their death. The Sabbath has been kept unbroken by God's people to this very present day.
 
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The Bible also clearly shows that Sunday was the day of worship. (The Sabbath itself, as we've already noted, was not moved.)
The bible shows that God's people worshiped God "everyday" Acts of the Apostles 2:46-47. That does not make everyday a holy day of rest or one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4.
 
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"If, therefore, those who were brought up in the ancient order of things have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord's Day, on which also our life has sprung up again by Him and by His death — whom some deny, by which mystery we have obtained faith, and therefore endure, that we may be found the disciples of Jesus Christ, our only Master — how shall we be able to live apart from Him, whose disciples the prophets themselves in the Spirit did wait for Him as their Teacher? And therefore He whom they rightly waited for, having come, raised them from the dead.

Let us not, therefore, be insensible to His kindness. For were He to reward us according to our works, we should cease to be. Therefore, having become His disciples, let us learn to live according to the principles of Christianity. For whosoever is called by any other name besides this, is not of God. Lay aside, therefore, the evil, the old, the sour leaven, and be changed into the new leaven, which is Jesus Christ. Be salted in Him, lest any one among you should be corrupted, since by your savour you shall be convicted. It is absurd to profess Christ Jesus, and to Judaize. For Christianity did not embrace Judaism, but Judaism Christianity, that so every tongue which believes might be gathered together to God.
" - St. Ignatius of Antioch, to the Magnesians

"Further, He says to them, 'Your new moons and your Sabbath I cannot endure.' You perceive how He speaks: Your present Sabbaths are not acceptable to Me, but that which I have made, when, giving rest to all things, I shall make a beginning of the eighth day, that is, a beginning of another world. Wherefore, also, we keep the eighth day with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead. And when He had manifested Himself, He ascended into the heavens." - Epistle of Barnabas, ch. 15

"And we afterwards continually remind each other of these things. And the wealthy among us help the needy; and we always keep together; and for all things wherewith we are supplied, we bless the Maker of all through His Son Jesus Christ, and through the Holy Ghost. And on the day called Sunday, all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits; then, when the reader has ceased, the president verbally instructs, and exhorts to the imitation of these good things. Then we all rise together and pray, and, as we before said, when our prayer is ended, bread and wine and water are brought, and the president in like manner offers prayers and thanksgivings, according to his ability, and the people assent, saying Amen; and there is a distribution to each, and a participation of that over which thanks have been given, and to those who are absent a portion is sent by the deacons. And they who are well to do, and willing, give what each thinks fit; and what is collected is deposited with the president, who succours the orphans and widows and those who, through sickness or any other cause, are in want, and those who are in bonds and the strangers sojourning among us, and in a word takes care of all who are in need. But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead. For He was crucified on the day before that of Saturn (Saturday); and on the day after that of Saturn, which is the day of the Sun, having appeared to His apostles and disciples, He taught them these things, which we have submitted to you also for your consideration." - St. Justin Martyr, First Apology, ch. 67

"But every Lord's day gather yourselves together, and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure. But let no one that is at variance with his fellow come together with you, until they be reconciled, that your sacrifice may not be profaned. For this is that which was spoken by the Lord: In every place and time offer to me a pure sacrifice; for I am a great King, says the Lord, and my name is wonderful among the nations." - Didache, ch. 14

"For in respect of the observance of the eighth day in the Jewish circumcision of the flesh, a sacrament was given beforehand in shadow and in usage; but when Christ came, it was fulfilled in truth. For because the eighth day, that is, the first day after the Sabbath, was to be that on which the Lord should rise again, and should quicken us, and give us circumcision of the spirit, the eighth day, that is, the first day after the Sabbath, and the Lord's day, went before in the figure; which figure ceased when by and by the truth came, and spiritual circumcision was given to us." - St. Cyrpian of Carthage, Epistle LVIII, To Rufus, 4

"This sixth day is called parasceve, that is to say, the preparation of the kingdom. For He perfected Adam, whom He made after His image and likeness. But for this reason He completed His works before He created angels and fashioned man, lest perchance they should falsely assert that they had been His helpers. On this day also, on account of the passion of the Lord Jesus Christ, we make either a station to God, or a fast. On the seventh day He rested from all His works, and blessed it, and sanctified it. On the former day we are accustomed to fast rigorously, that on the Lord's day we may go forth to our bread with giving of thanks. And let the parasceve become a rigorous fast, lest we should appear to observe any Sabbath with the Jews, which Christ Himself, the Lord of the Sabbath, says by His prophets that 'His soul hates;' which Sabbath He in His body abolished," - St. Victorinus, On the Creation of the World

"No one shall find fault with us for observing the fourth day of the week, and the preparation, on which it is reasonably enjoined us to fast according to the tradition. On the fourth day, indeed, because on it the Jews took counsel for the betrayal of the Lord; and on the sixth, because on it He himself suffered for us. But the Lord's day we celebrate as a day of joy, because on it He rose again, on which day we have received it for a custom not even to bow the knee." - St. Peter of Alexandria, Canonical Epistle, 15

-CryptoLutheran

This is a great example of those who have no scripture needing to seek Catholic sources outside of scripture and the bible in order to support man-made teachings and traditions that are not biblical that JESUS warns us about in Matthew 15:3-9.
 
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3rd commandment.
-CryptoLutheran

There are 10 commandments in God's 10 commandments and whatever way you want to split them up there is always a "seventh day" Sabbath commandment that is one of the 10 commandments.
 
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You have evidence of this? To my knowledge it wasn't until after the death of the apostles, and Greek/roman leaders take overs do you see Sunday embraced.
It's fairly easily researched, but what do you mean by death of the Apostles and Greek/Roman leaders take over? Definitely, it was first century, so not because of Constantine or as a result of the Great Schism, both of which have been charged by Sabbatarians.
 
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