The changing face of Britain

[visionary]

UK Parliament asks hard-Left and pro-jihad groups to create official definition of “Islamophobia”

 

[Heber Book List]

UK Parliament asks hard-Left and pro-jihad groups to create official definition of “Islamophobia”

We also have an official definitive statement on antisemitism (except the Labour Party does not recognise it, it seems)

 

[visionary]

We also have an official definitive statement on antisemitism (except the Labour Party does not recognise it, it seems)

Which one will move forward into importance and enforcement?

 

[Heber Book List]

Which one will move forward into importance and enforcement?

The antisemitism definition is the legal standard, whether or not the Labour party accepts it as their own internal standard

 

[visionary]

The antisemitism definition is the legal standard, whether or not the Labour party accepts it as their own internal standard

You know, we have laws that are enforced and others that remain on the books but rarely enforced. Again I ask, which one will gain importance and be enforced?

 

[Yusuphhai]

Expanding Like great Babylon?

 

[visionary]

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[Heber Book List]

You know, we have laws that are enforced and others that remain on the books but rarely enforced. Again I ask, which one will gain importance and be enforced?

Neither, really. There are probably roughly equal measures of anti-semitism and Islamaphobia at the present time, though not by the same groups.

 

[visionary]

Sadiq Khan boasts of 1.5 million new people to capital as he reveals shock 'London Plan'

 

[Heber Book List]

Sadiq Khan boasts of 1.5 million new people to capital as he reveals shock 'London Plan'

But please remember that 'London' is now a very large area, it takes in much of what used to be the 'Home' Counties. It is not the tiny area it used to be. It is now 607+ sq. miles with a resident population of over 8 million. It is some 140 sq. miles larger than New York City and currently has a similar number of residents. 'London' can increase its size by simply taking in more of the Home Counties. Any Mayor of London will want to make it larger to warrant their high salary and political power base. Most of my home County of Middlesex is now 'West London', even though I was born in North London!

 

[visionary]

But please remember that 'London' is now a very large area, it takes in much of what used to be the 'Home' Counties. It is not the tiny area it used to be. It is now 607+ sq. miles with a resident population of over 8 million. It is some 140 sq. miles larger than New York City and currently has a similar number of residents. 'London' can increase its size by simply taking in more of the Home Counties. Any Mayor of London will want to make it larger to warrant their high salary and political power base. Most of my home County of Middlesex is now 'West London', even though I was born in North London!

...so more than 20% of the population could, in the near future, be muslim.

 

[Chaplain David]

It's not only the UK but other countries in Europe that have taken in refugees. Germany is a prime example with hundreds of thousands taken in. Following is an older map but it begins to give a glimpse of how and where these refugees are settling. I've lived half of my life in Europe and it's not the same any more. EU migration: Crisis in seven charts

 

[Heber Book List]

...so more than 20% of the population could, in the near future, be muslim.

What is the logic for that?

 

[visionary]

In the 2011 census Office for National Statistics, the proportion of Muslims in London had risen to 12.4% of the population of which is 8 million, you say. ADD 1.5 million from the news article I presented, and that gets real close to 20%.

Do you have no go zones? Islam & London -- Jihad Is Bred in No-Go Zones | National Review

 

[Heber Book List]

In the 2011 census Office for National Statistics, the proportion of Muslims in London had risen to 12.4% of the population of which is 8 million, you say. ADD 1.5 million from the news article I presented, and that gets real close to 20%.

Do you have no go zones? Islam & London -- Jihad Is Bred in No-Go Zones | National Review

Your 'could be Muslims' means that they 'could be' atheists, pagans, Christians, Jews, and all manner of religions, or of none. That is what I was questioning. Could be equally means could not be

There have a few instances reported of no-go areas, but they were trodden on by the authorities immediately they knew of them. No go areas are not allowed, regardless of which religion might want them, wherever they might appear in the country. On rare occasions no-go areas are licensed for particular events to keep out right wing extremists and other undesirables; those licensed areas can be for any religious group.

 

[visionary]

The very thing they fear is the very thing that controls them. UK: Victim of Muslim rape gang raped by 70 men by age 13; authorities did nothing for fear of “Islamophobia” charges

 

[Heber Book List]

The very thing they fear is the very thing that controls them. UK: Victim of Muslim rape gang raped by 70 men by age 13; authorities did nothing for fear of “Islamophobia” charges

Really - and you think that is remotely possible.? She would probably have been dead before they got to 20 rapes!!

You really need to go to bed earlier and not watch fake news! I find it mildly amusing but surprising that you even believe this rubbish!

 

[Elihoenai]

Hyde Park Speakers Corner

Is Britain a Terrorist Islamic State?

MUSLIMS PROTECT MUSLIMS WHILST PRAYING FROM RACIST EDL | TOMMY ROBINSON | SPEAKERS CORNER

BBC Won't Show Who Caused Trouble When Tommy Robinson Visited Speakers Corner

 

[Heber Book List]

Speakers Corner is just that - a place where speakers can go and spew forth on whatever they wish with the proviso that what they say must not be incitement to violence in relation to race, creed, colour, sexual orientation etc., or insurrection /sedition. Proscribed organisations may not use the facility and neither may their philosophy be spoken by individuals.

At Speakers' Corner, speakers have to put up with whatever verbal abuse is aimed at them - if they can't then it's best not to be there! That is why it is called Speakers' Corner. Physical abuse is not tolerated by the authorities. The policy is that we have the right to free speech in the UK, with the caveats mentioned being enforced, and Speakers' Corner maintains that right.

There is no law in the UK against praying on the street provided you are not cauisng an obstruction to the lawful use of that area by other people. Muslims have used sections of roads before for outdoor services, in the UK, for which a licence has been granted, in much the same way that Christians can, as also other faith groups, or secular groups. Christian groups when working outside sometimes have people on the perimeter of the group to ensure that other people can pass by (ie so that they are in the area covered by the licence granted them). Provided all groups remain with the law and the teaching is not an incitement to violence in relation to race, creed colour, sexual orientation, or insurrection / sedition it is lawful.

In all such cases if violence is seen the authorities will either maintain order or, as a last result, will simply close down the meeting / prayers, whatever. Groups that have a record of violence surrounding them, because of their message, are unlikely to gain a licence in the future. Licences are granted by the local Council and relate to one 'event' - blanket licences do not exist; Speakers' Corner is an (probably, only) exception. Violence does happen at meetings sometimes - it would be a fool who says it doesn't happen - but it is dealt with and the perpetrators are taken to court, using official CCTV where necessary.

That is why I said I am glad I am English! We have simple laws that apply to all, and will be enforced against all, if necessary. It realy confuses me when I look at the UK and America see how the Americans attack the UK all the time on here. Many (most) US citizens see the UK as being a mini-USA, in both government and lifestyle. May it never, ever, be! We are not! We are not perfect, but we value simple freedoms, which is why Brexit was so popular and gives us, again, the right to self determination as a country, and no longer subservient to an increasingly invasive big brother.

 

[Elihoenai]

Speakers' Corner

A Speakers' Corner is an area where open-air public speaking, debate, and discussion are allowed. The original and most noted is in the northeast corner of Hyde Park in London, England.

Speakers' Corner - Wikipedia


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