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Well, let's start from the beginning, shall we?Not a sweeping generalization. Show me the exact verses.
CHAPTER LXXII.
1. The book of the courses of the luminaries of the heaven, the relations of each, according to their classes, their dominion and their seasons, according to their names and places of origin, and according to their months, which Uriel, the holy angel, who was with me, who is their guide, showed me; and he showed me all their laws exactly as they are, and how it is with regard to all the years of the world and unto eternity, till the new creation
Now right out the gate the writer of "Enoch" is lying. The information he gives out here allegedly coming from "Uriel the holy angel" , being, as we shall see, observably false, cannot have have come from an angel.
3. And I saw six portals in which the sun rises, and six portals in which the sun sets and the moon rises and sets in these portals, and the leaders of the stars and those whom they lead: six in the east and six in the west, and all following each other in accurately corresponding order: also many windows to the right and left of these portals.
Portals, as in doors? Really? And windows, forsooth? THis would look great in an ancient Greek myth, not is what is supposed to be hol scripture. In simplest terms, there are no windows or doors in space that the sun goes into or comes out of. It's a lie. The lie is based on the terrestrial observation that the sun rises and sets at different at different points of the horizon in different seasons, and that it "disappears" at sunset and reappears at dawn. The trouble problem comes when you realize that the sun never disappears, it just moves away from the observer, and is visible somewhere in the world at all times. It doesn't go into any doors, or come out of any. An angel, holy or otherwise, would have known that. The writer of "Enoch" obviously did not, he just described what it looked like to him, i.e., he lied.
4. And first there goes forth the great luminary, named the Sun, and his circumference is like the circumference of the heaven, and he is quite filled with illuminating and heating fire. 5. The chariot on which he ascends, the wind drives, and the sun goes down from the heaven and returns through the north in order to reach the east, and is so guided that he comes to the appropriate (lit. 'that') portal and shines in the face of the heaven.
So the sun's really big, he managed to get that one (the Blind Hog Principal again). But he immediately ran off the rails again. The sun, so the imaginary angel tells us, ascends on a chariot, which is propelled by the wind. I don't think that requires much refutation. Then, we're told, the sun has to go north to get to the east, presumably to get to the correct door so he can pop above the horizon at the seasonally correct place? You ready to swallow the sun changing directions during its ride on chariot? Me neither. Pure fantasy.
6. In this way he rises in the first month in the great portal, which is the fourth ⌈those six portals in the cast⌉. 7. And in that fourth portal from which the sun rises in the first month are twelve window-openings, from which proceed a flame when they are opened in their season. 8. When the sun rises in the heaven, he comes forth through that fourth portal thirty mornings in succession, and sets accurately in the fourth portal in the west of the heaven. 9. And during this period the day becomes daily longer and the night nightly shorter to the thirtieth morning. 10. On that day the day is longer than the night by a ninth part, and the day amounts exactly to ten parts and the night to eight parts. 11. And the sun rises from that fourth portal, and sets in the fourth and returns to the fifth portal of the east thirty mornings, and rises from it and sets in the fifth portal. 12. And then the day becomes longer by †two† parts and amounts to eleven parts, and the night becomes shorter and amounts to seven parts.
And here we have the very creative explanation, direct from the "Holy angel Uriel", that explains the sessons - as the seasons exist in the middle east. The nips in and out of its various doors, and its light shines through its various windows, none of which, unfortunately for ""Enoch's" credibility, actually exist. Bogus as a $17.2365 dollar bill.
It goes on this way, relentlessly, lie on top of lie, page after page. Sheer codswallop.
Here's one I nabbed at random, on the origin of wind. It's a good 'un:
1 And at the ends of the earth I saw twelve portals open to all the quarters (of the heaven), from which the winds go forth and blow over the earth. 2. Three of them are open on the face (i.e. the east) of the heavens, and three in the west, and three on the right (i.e. the south) of the heaven, and three on the left (i.e. the north). 3. And the three first are those of the east, and three are of †the north, and three [after those on the left] of the south†, and three of the west. 4. Through four of these come winds of blessing and prosperity, and from those eight come hurtful winds: when they are sent, they bring destruction on all the earth and on the water upon it, and on all who dwell thereon, and on everything which is in the water and on the land.
So our "angel" confieds in us that wind comes from doors in the sky or in heaven or some such, at very specific points, and some of them are good, and some of them are bad. Again, creative, and again, utterly untrue.
What need to go on? The entire section that deals with "The Course of the Heavenly Luminaries" is a complete fraud.
So how much leaven does it require to leaven that lump?
Not necessary. "Enoch" is a steaming pile whichever perspective you prefer.And don’t try to make this thread about geocentricism vs heliocentrism.
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