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The Big Bang (Hypothesis) vs. Creationism
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Na I'm not interested in this anymore, have fun proving that people have to be perfect to be good.
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That's just the point. You judge "goodness" by mans standard. God's standard of righteousness is the 10 commandments. You have admitted to falling short on two of them. If God were to judge you today, keeping in mind none of us is guaranteed his next breath, I think you know where Gods word says you would go. The 10 commandments were not given as a means of salvation, but to point out your need of a savior, to point you to Jesus Christ, who loved you so much that He died on the cross taking the penalty for your sins and mine.
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If my standards are wrong then the guy who wrote that might have just as easily had God's standards wrong (if there is a God).
So, I'll let God say for himself what he thinks.
La religione deve lasciare che dio parli per se stesso
Religion must let God speak for himself
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God has spoken for Himself, through the Person of Jesus Christ and in His inspired word, The Bible.
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Well some simple logic should give you my position on that one.
As per my original post that you reacted to, I think the Bible is an example of humans wishing to enforce their view of morality, the basic moral impulse.
I don't know what God thinks about human morality, so, Ill leave it to him to explain.
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Given your rejection of God coming in the flesh in the person of Jesus Christ and speaking for Himself, which appears to be your standard of proof given the quote in your signature line, what bar are you raising your standard of proof to now that this standard has been met?
Luke 16:19-31 (ESV)
The Rich Man and Lazarus
19 “There was a rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and who feasted sumptuously every day. 20 And at his gate was laid a poor man named Lazarus, covered with sores, 21 who desired to be fed with what fell from the rich man's table. Moreover, even the dogs came and licked his sores. 22 The poor man died and was carried by the angels to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried, 23 and in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus at his side. 24 And he called out, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus to dip the end of his finger in water and cool my tongue, for I am in anguish in this flame. ’ 25 But Abraham said, ‘Child, remember that you in your lifetime received your good things, and Lazarus in like manner bad things; but now he is comforted here, and you are in anguish. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, in order that those who would pass from here to you may not be able, and none may cross from there to us. ’ 27 And he said, ‘Then I beg you, father, to send him to my father's house— 28 for I have five brothers —so that he may warn them, lest they also come into this place of torment. ’ 29 But Abraham said, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them hear them. ’ 30 And he said, ‘No, father Abraham, but if someone goes to them from the dead, they will repent. ’ 31 He said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be convinced if someone should rise from the dead. ’”
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Sorry, I wasn't there.
It's not really the kind of thing I would believe second hand. I want God to speak for himself and only that.
If we start accepting books as written down "god speaking" then I have a bunch of religions I have to belong to and an incarnated Vishnu to deal with.
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True love waits in haunted attics
How do you exactly determine that God's standard (exclusively and comprehensively) is the ten commandments? I remember the New Testament involving allusions to some of these commandments, but I don't remember reading, "the ten commandments in this specific place in the book of Exodus summarize what God wants you to do law-wise."
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You will see Him face to face on judgement day, but then it will be too late for you.
The bible says He will reveal Himself to those who sincerely seek Him. Can you say you have done that?
Matthew 7:7-11 (ESV)
Ask, and It Will Be Given
7 “Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. 8 For everyone who asks receives, and the one who seeks finds, and to the one who knocks it will be opened. 9 Or which one of you, if his son asks him for bread, will give him a stone? 10 Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a serpent? 11 If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!
Revelation 3:20 (ESV)
Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and eat with him, and he with me.
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Whys that? God can't forgive dead people? This seems logically more bothering than all the rest of the ideas.
In fact, all this seems to be an elaborate scheme to get me to listen to people like you about what God thinks...
Wonder of wonders.
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Well that I'm used to, but I'm pretty sure men wrote that book he's so fond of putting above our standards.
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