The Bible has prophesied the cashless society

[ViaCrucis]

There was no paper money and credit cards during the time when Apostle John rcvd the Revelation in Patmos island, and there was no computer either 2000 years ago, so it was how John warned what he saw for the end times people. He saw the devil and evil behind this.

Says you, but there is precisely no reason to believe your opinion on the matter; for at least two reasons:

1) There is nothing, neither explicitly or implicitly, in the text to suggest some kind of "cashless society" that is pure eisegesis.

2) Your assumption that this is about "the end times" is hardly something that can or should be taken for granted; the Futurist reading of the Apocalypse is not a given, and frankly requires dismissing the historic and literary context of the text in order to make certain baseless assumptions. I have no reason to believe the Apocalypse is about "the end times", it certainly never says this is the case, and the context of the Apocalypse suggests that John, writing to the seven churches in Asia, is writing about things relevant to them. The Futurist reading requires a dismissal of the fact that the Apocalypse was written to a specific audience.

"John, to the seven churches that are in Asia: Grace to you and peace from Him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven spirits who are before His throne, and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. ...

I, John, your brother who share with you in Jesus the persecution and the kingdom and patient endurance, was on the island called Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus. ...

'Now write what you have seen, what is, and what is to take place after this.'" - Revelation 1:4-5, 9, 19

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Another Lazarus]

I think too many people would not accept an implant.

They started with children with "security" reasons.

And massive microchipping will begin in the Grief Tribulation, i read that cars will be sent to neighbourhoods for chipping citizen.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Or any of it.

The very nature of the apocalyptic genre means that it shouldn't be taken literally. Apocalypses are a very specific form of ancient literary genre that was prevalent in the 2nd Temple Period (and shortly after), and we can see that there are certain key themes of what apocalyptic literature looks like:

The text takes the form of being escorted by a heavenly messenger or figure of some sort to encounter and experience certain visions of heavenly or otherworldly reality. And the language takes the form of often intense graphic imagery. The Apocalypse of St. John is basically a perfect example of the apocalyptic literary form. In the Apocalypse of Enoch the eponymous Enoch is taken by an angel to see and experience visions of heaven and is shown wonders such as the Garden of Eden in the third heaven; the Apocalypse of Moses, the Apocalypse of Adam, etc all have the same format. In the Apocalypse of Peter, which in some places was accepted as canonical Scripture in the early Church (even where the Apocalypse of John was often not accepted) we have a similar format, where Peter is shown glimpses of heavenly glory and hellish misery by the resurrected Jesus (in some ways being a prototype for the later Divine Comedy of Dante).

The point of the text isn't to be literal, but to communicate important things through graphic, and often intentionally cryptic, imagery. The Book of Daniel, for example interweaves historical narrative and apocalypse together, with the apocalyptic portions of the text pointing toward the conflict between the Seleucids (cryptically referred to as the "king of the north") and Ptolemies (the "king of the south") and the upheaval caused by the tyranny of Antiochus IV Epiphanes against the Jewish people (the "abomination which causes desolation" being included here).

Trying to take apocalyptic works literally is an inherently foolish endeavor. It's simply not how that kind of literature works.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Thats the greed of mankind, but this Mark of the Beast is the greed of the devil to own the people for him, to follow him to hell !

Well, it's the same "greed of mankind" that the Serpent originally tempted Adam and Eve with. So, they're really one and the same.

 

[Another Lazarus]

It could be as big as a generation sized gap before some nations are as close as others.

In my country, the debit card to withdraw money from cash machine was not known be4 1990. It suddenly become widely used by millions of people in two years only.

 

[Another Lazarus]

Well, it's the same "greed of mankind" that the Serpent originally tempted Adam and Eve with. So, they're really one and the same.

The devil doesnt want even a single man to enter heaven because heaven was previously his place.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

The devil doesnt want even a single man to enter heaven because heaven was previously his place.

Yes, I understand that part of it, and I agree. I'm not saying you're wrong. The Devil definitely has used the two Beasts to do His dirty work in the world.

 

[MehGuy]

They started with children with "security" reasons.

And massive microchipping will begin in the Grief Tribulation, i read that cars will be sent to neighbourhoods for chipping citizen.

But Chippie The RFDI looks so happy and welcoming..

 

[Another Lazarus]

he decides to go get one and forsake his soul. as he's walking out the door into the parking lot a car hits him and instantly kills him..

He is already death when he decides to get one.

 

[MehGuy]

He is already death when he decides to get one.

Yeah, but he never got to indulge in the pleasures of his sin. The tale of a man who wanted instant gratification.. yet from his greed he ended up with nothing.

 

[Another Lazarus]

But Chippie The RFDI looks so happy and welcoming..

So did Eve looked at the fruit in Eden and disobey God.

 

[Another Lazarus]

Yeah, but he never got to indulge in the pleasures of his sin. The tale of a man who wanted instant gratification.. yet from his greed he ended up with nothing.

We all will die one day anyway, dont be afraid as it has to happen to us. Billions have died already, we will be just following them to God's judgment.

We are not forever walking on the ground, we are not forever driving the good car, we are not forever dwelling in palace, not forever enjoying good meal.
the least thing we can do while we live is to share our bread with the needy.

 

[Another Lazarus]

No one is going to pay out of pocket for elective surgery

it would requirement too much maintenance to be worth

Even the poor (not able to pay) will be chipped.
Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark....

I read somewhere they will send rfid cars for mass chipping to neighbourhoods even remote villages.

This will happen when the Beast antichrist rule the world, so this is a serious warning.

 

[MehGuy]

Even the poor (not able to pay) will be chipped.
Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark....

I read somewhere they will send rfid cars for mass chipping to neighbourhoods even remote villages.

This will happen when the Beast antichrist rule the world, so this is a serious warning.

Poor slaves who will be chipped. Their lives already suck.. then Chippie The RFID makes a visit it their slave quarters.

 

[Another Lazarus]

Poor slaves who will be chipped.

Remember the parable of wise virgins and foolish virgins, the wise virgins (true believers) will be taken to the Feast of the Lamb (raptured) and the world will be left behind and mourn.

Revelation 1:7 7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him,..

People will cry when they see Jesus appeared on the cloud because Jesus will not come to bring peace to the world but to take the believers and leave the world behind in the Grief Tribulation.

 

[daniel_B_0506]

Folks, I'm pretty sure that the Mark of the Beast has been around for a very, very long time--like hundreds of years. Everyone's looking for the arrival and implementation of something that's already here, chips or no chips. ...it's called, "the love of money...and sex, and power," which are fascinations that happen all by themselves, no chip implants required.

If it was merely that, I'm pretty sure John would have specified. It's apparent from his specific use that the mark of the beast is something significant, not merely our sins. Of which, we will all struggle with till the day we die.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

If it was merely that, I'm pretty sure John would have specified. It's apparent from his specific use that the mark of the beast is something significant, not merely our sins. Of which, we will all struggle with till the day we die.

I never said it was merely "our sins."

But yes, you're right, and I agree that John is specifying something that goes a step beyond "just" our typical fallen nature.

 

[Tutorman]

Anyone else notice that Revelation 13:16-17 doesn't mention a "cashless society"?

-CryptoLutheran

Exactly. The idea is an invention of modern man

 

[Galaxy Hunter]

Sounds sad.. imagine someone wanting to buy a Twinkie really bad but he can't because he doesn't have the mark.. he decides to go get one and forsake his soul. He goes to the gas station and buys that Twinkie but just as he's walking out the door into the parking lot a car hits him and instantly kills him.. and the Twinkie goes flying in the air then squashes on the ground next to his dead body. Now he's eternally doomed.

When your mom tells you to not touch the hot stove or you'll get burned and you touch the hot stove and get burned it's really not your mom's fault. By the way, I love your creativity.

 

[Galaxy Hunter]

That doesn't really answer my question. If God already knows who is and who is not a believer then the mark is pointless to begin with. I'm assuming God doesn't need to wave one of those TSA wands over you to see if you have the mark or not.

Of course God doesn't need the mark or lack of it to know. The mark is not even His mark to begin with.