The Bible does not say the Earth Is 7,000 Years Old

[TPop]

Or maybe He just moved the shadow and nothing else.

If one says the Sun Set, others know what this means. If one says the Sun Rise, others know what this means.

The first literal reading is 'still'.

Strongs דָּמַם dâmam, daw-man'; a primitive root (compare H1724, H1820); to be dumb; by implication, to be astonished, to stop; also to perish:—cease, be cut down (off), forbear, hold peace, quiet self, rest, be silent, keep (put to) silence, be (stand) still, tarry, wait.

[Jos 10:13 KJV] 13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. [Is] not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.

One way or another, the day did not progress. And it was a mighty and strange work of God.

[Isa 28:20-22 KJV] 20 For the bed is shorter than that [a man] can stretch himself [on it]: and the covering narrower than that he can wrap himself [in it]. 21 For the LORD shall rise up as [in] mount Perazim, he shall be wroth as [in] the valley of Gibeon, that he may do his work, his strange work; and bring to pass his act, his strange act. 22 Now therefore be ye not mockers, lest your bands be made strong: for I have heard from the Lord GOD of hosts a consumption, even determined upon the whole earth.

Peace and Blessings

 

[BeyondET]

If one says the Sun Set, others know what this means. If one says the Sun Rise, others know what this means.

The first literal reading is 'still'.

Strongs דָּמַם dâmam, daw-man'; a primitive root (compare H1724, H1820); to be dumb; by implication, to be astonished, to stop; also to perish:—cease, be cut down (off), forbear, hold peace, quiet self, rest, be silent, keep (put to) silence, be (stand) still, tarry, wait.

[Jos 10:13 KJV] 13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. [Is] not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.

One way or another, the day did not progress. And it was a mighty and strange work of God.

[Isa 28:20-22 KJV] 20 For the bed is shorter than that [a man] can stretch himself [on it]: and the covering narrower than that he can wrap himself [in it]. 21 For the LORD shall rise up as [in] mount Perazim, he shall be wroth as [in] the valley of Gibeon, that he may do his work, his strange work; and bring to pass his act, his strange act. 22 Now therefore be ye not mockers, lest your bands be made strong: for I have heard from the Lord GOD of hosts a consumption, even determined upon the whole earth.

Peace and Blessings

In a metaphorical sense. All that was needed was the shadow to move. Imo that's mightier than making the earth stand still. The sun doesn't stand still its in the middle of the solar system everything else revolves around it.

2 Kings 20:9
And Isaiah had replied, "This will be a sign to you from the LORD that He will do what He has promised: Would you like the shadow to go forward ten steps, or back ten steps?"

2 Kings 20:11
So Isaiah the prophet called out to the LORD, and He brought the shadow back the ten steps it had descended on the stairway of Ahaz.

 

[Phoneman-777]

Yeah that's modern day slang, Yo back in the day.

I can make my meals in the evening and morning doesn't mean I am making meals for 24 hours a day.

Since we read, "And the evening and the morning were the first day", we see the day being divided into "2" which means "the evening" is refering to 12 hours and "the morning" is refering to 12 hours - 12 hours of night time and 12 hours of daylight is what we read here.

 

[Phoneman-777]

We can be sure that he did not create it void and empty -a ruin. Because he told us specifically he did not create it that way. So to say otherwise would be calling him a liar. So that tells us right there, that something happened to cause it to be in such a state in the beginning.

I wasn't there, but what I read is that there was nothing...and as my favorite preacher says, "God stepped out onto nothing, and spoke to nothing, and from nothing came forth everything".

And then in Jeremiah 4 he takes us back to that time and elaborates on the fact he beheld the mountains and all of the hills moved (in his anger)

Jeremiah 4 refers to the state of the planet after the Second Coming - there was no man, the cities were broken down, the birds had fled away, etc., and apt depiction of what will happen when the Lord comes as a thief. Isaiah 24 says the Earth will reel to and fro, they'll be few men left, the Earth is empty, waste, turned upside down, the inhabitants are scattered, etc.

 

[BeyondET]

Since we read, "And the evening and the morning were the first day", we see the day being divided into "2" which means "the evening" is refering to 12 hours and "the morning" is refering to 12 hours - 12 hours of night time and 12 hours of daylight is what we read here.

No thats your opinion, in the beginning there was no sun. That only happens twice a year when there is 12 hours of daylight and 12 hours of night.

 

[JulieB67]

I wasn't there, but what I read is that there was nothing.

There was nothing before Genesis 1.

Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."

Genesis 1:2 "And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep."

The word for void is Hebrew word -
922
bohuw (bo'-hoo); from an unused root (meaning to be empty); a vacuity, i.e. (superficially) an undistinguishable ruin:
KJV - emptiness, void.
The thing is God states in Isaiah he did not create it that way
So that tells us that it became that way. Which can be translated that was if you take it back to the Hebrew. So this tells us something happened between verse 1 and 2. And the face of the deep is water. So the earth at this point is covered in nothing but water. There's land under there (as noted in verse 9 but it is all covered in water. And again, God states he did not create it that way. He did not create it "bohuw".

This also takes us to Peter-

II Peter 3:5 "For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:"

Not one Christians is willingly ignorant of Noah's flood and the time span from that time period so this is something different. -It states the heavens are of" old" and the earth is standing out of the water and in the water. It was completely destroyed, unlike Noah's flood. And 6 or 7 thousand years is not old. That's the point Peter is trying to make when he talks about the last day scoffers and the promise of his coming. Thousands of years is nothing compared to how old the earth really is.

The Greek word ekpalai was only used once for the word old in the NT and it's in this verse. Meaning it's a different type of old than in other verses with this word. It was longer ago than the age we are presently living in.

Jeremiah 4 refers to the state of the planet after the Second Coming

God takes us to the point in time he's talking about -

Jeremiah 4:23 "I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light."

Genesis 1:2 "And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep."

He shook the earth then and yes, he will shake it again at the Second Coming.

 

[TPop]

In a metaphorical sense. All that was needed was the shadow to move. Imo that's mightier than making the earth stand still. The sun doesn't stand still its in the middle of the solar system everything else revolves around it.

2 Kings 20:9
And Isaiah had replied, "This will be a sign to you from the LORD that He will do what He has promised: Would you like the shadow to go forward ten steps, or back ten steps?"

2 Kings 20:11
So Isaiah the prophet called out to the LORD, and He brought the shadow back the ten steps it had descended on the stairway of Ahaz.

Still. Scripture does not talk about the shadows standing still. So why try to incorporate that? It is misleading.

Peace and Blessings.

 

[BeyondET]

Still. Scripture does not talk about the shadows standing still. So why try to incorporate that? It is misleading.

Peace and Blessings.

The verses I posted gives more detail on what happened God moved the shadow which gives the appearance that the sun was standing still. The sun doesn't move anyhow, earth rotates in front of it. If earth stopped spinning the bible would of said so.

God can move a shadow at will forward or backwards or even bend it.

 

[TPop]

The verses I posted gives more detail on what happened God moved the shadow which gives the appearance that the sun was standing still. The sun doesn't move anyhow, earth rotates in front of it. If earth stopped spinning the bible would of said so.

God can move a shadow at will forward or backwards or even bend it.

Yes. Absolutely God can.
But that is not what the Words says. The Words says the Sun stood still. There is a meaning there. But I does not jump over to shadows. I never see it as referencing shadows in any commentaries. It is about the light. What Jesus does is about the Light.

Peace and Blessings

 

[BeyondET]

Yes. Absolutely God can.
But that is not what the Words says. The Words says the Sun stood still. There is a meaning there. But I does not jump over to shadows. I never see it as referencing shadows in any commentaries. It is about the light. What Jesus does is about the Light.

Peace and Blessings

And the sun has always stood still the planets orbit the sun so its an appearance statement.

Notice the LORD mentions would you like the shadow to go forward or back ten steps.

These are cross references to the sun standing still.

2 Kings 20:9
And Isaiah had replied, "This will be a sign to you from the LORD that He will do what He has promised: Would you like the shadow to go forward ten steps, or back ten steps?"

2 Kings 20:11
So Isaiah the prophet called out to the LORD, and He brought the shadow back the ten steps it had descended on the stairway of Ahaz.

 

[TPop]

And the sun has always stood still the planets orbit the sun so its an appearance statement.

Notice the LORD mentions would you like the shadow to go forward or back ten steps.

These are cross references to the sun standing still.

2 Kings 20:9
And Isaiah had replied, "This will be a sign to you from the LORD that He will do what He has promised: Would you like the shadow to go forward ten steps, or back ten steps?"

2 Kings 20:11
So Isaiah the prophet called out to the LORD, and He brought the shadow back the ten steps it had descended on the stairway of Ahaz.

You are correct. I am wrong. I am good at that.
I am checking that now. Think I had a brain block.

Peace and Blessings

 

[BeyondET]

You are correct. I am wrong. I am good at that.
I am checking that now. Think I had a brain block.

Peace and Blessings

Thank you and quite ok, I'm fully aware myself that sometimes I'm not correct either with references, I've walked in those shoes hahaha...

 

[Phoneman-777]

No thats your opinion, in the beginning there was no sun. That only happens twice a year when there is 12 hours of daylight and 12 hours of night.

God obviously didn't need a Sun to create the "morning" 12 hour portion of the days.

Again, God created the spaces on days 1-3 and filled the spaces on days 4-6...so the "space of light" that formed the "morning" 12 hours on days 1-3 was filled with the Sun on day 4 and became the source of "morning" 12 hour portion of days 4-6.

That, if we stick to Scritpure and not fanciful ideas about "millions and millions of years" which are found nowhere in the text, is the only thing we can safely conclude.

 

[BeyondET]

God obviously didn't need a Sun to create the "morning" 12 hour portion of the days.

Again, God created the spaces on days 1-3 and filled the spaces on days 4-6...so the "space of light" that formed the "morning" 12 hours on days 1-3 was filled with the Sun on day 4 and became the source of "morning" 12 hour portion of days 4-6.

That, if we stick to Scritpure and not fanciful ideas about "millions and millions of years" which are found nowhere in the text, is the only thing we can safely conclude.

God didn't need to create in according to what time it is on earth.

Yom in Hebrew can mean afew different lengths of time. The ancient people didn't even use hours at night time. risen stars at night is what they counted to keep time at night.

Two 12 hour portions is a modern concept, it wasn't used in the text either. You could say one but not two.

In the evening and morning when there's light but no shadows to gauge time with is the most hardest time to know without a mechanical clock, 18 minutes each.

 

[Phoneman-777]

There was nothing before Genesis 1.

Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."

Genesis 1:2 "And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep."

The word for void is Hebrew word -
922
bohuw (bo'-hoo); from an unused root (meaning to be empty); a vacuity, i.e. (superficially) an undistinguishable ruin:
KJV - emptiness, void.
The thing is God states in Isaiah he did not create it that way
So that tells us that it became that way. Which can be translated that was if you take it back to the Hebrew. So this tells us something happened between verse 1 and 2. And the face of the deep is water. So the earth at this point is covered in nothing but water. There's land under there (as noted in verse 9 but it is all covered in water. And again, God states he did not create it that way. He did not create it "bohuw".

This also takes us to Peter-

II Peter 3:5 "For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:"

Not one Christians is willingly ignorant of Noah's flood and the time span from that time period so this is something different. -It states the heavens are of" old" and the earth is standing out of the water and in the water. It was completely destroyed, unlike Noah's flood. And 6 or 7 thousand years is not old. That's the point Peter is trying to make when he talks about the last day scoffers and the promise of his coming. Thousands of years is nothing compared to how old the earth really is.

The Greek word ekpalai was only used once for the word old in the NT and it's in this verse. Meaning it's a different type of old than in other verses with this word. It was longer ago than the age we are presently living in.


God takes us to the point in time he's talking about -

Jeremiah 4:23 "I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light."

Genesis 1:2 "And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep."

He shook the earth then and yes, he will shake it again at the Second Coming.

Sure, Peter can speak of "old" as 6K years ago, with nothing prohibiting that.

While we can read where "a day" is used to represent "a year" and then several Numerically Specific Time Prophecies using this principle (Israel's 40 year journey, 70 Weeks of Daniel) - we don't have a single such prophecy using "a day" to symbolize "a thousand years". So, we can only conclude that "A day with the Lord is as..." has to do with offering to us a glimpse of the nature of God, and nothing to do with Creation Week reckoning.

 

[Phoneman-777]

God didn't need to create in according to what time it is on earth.

Yom in Hebrew can mean afew different lengths of time. The ancient people didn't even use hours at night time. risen stars at night is what they counted to keep time at night.

Two 12 hour portions is a modern concept, it wasn't used in the text either. You could say one but not two.

In the evening and morning when there's light but no shadows to gauge time with is the most hardest time to know without a mechanical clock, 18 minutes each.

What ancient people used is irrelevant - a 24 hour day has always been 24 hours, consisting of a light portion and a dark portion....therefore, "the evening and the morning were the first day" simply means "12 hours of darkness followed by 12 hours of light" --- just like we see today.

What we DON'T see are amoeba changing into elephants or birds giving rise to dinos, what honest experts have characterized as "the paleontological equivalent of cold fusion". The fossil record proves everything was there in the beginning, and the location of fossils in the strata has everything to do with the results of a worldwide flood, and nothing to do with "millions of years" of sedimentary deposition. We've got many examples of "millions of years" old rock sticking up and protruding, sometimes MIXING with, the next layer with absolutely NO evidence of the heat needed by the theory of evolution to explain it - the only explanation is that soft layers were quickly laid down via turbidites and then interacted before hardening into solid sedimentary rock.

 

[BeyondET]

What ancient people used is irrelevant - a 24 hour day has always been 24 hours, consisting of a light portion and a dark portion....therefore, "the evening and the morning were the first day" simply means "12 hours of darkness followed by 12 hours of light" --- just like we see today.

What we DON'T see are amoeba changing into elephants or birds giving rise to dinos, what honest experts have characterized as "the paleontological equivalent of cold fusion". The fossil record proves everything was there in the beginning, and the location of fossils in the strata has everything to do with the results of a worldwide flood, and nothing to do with "millions of years" of sedimentary deposition. We've got many examples of "millions of years" old rock sticking up and protruding, sometimes MIXING with, the next layer with absolutely NO evidence of the heat needed by the theory of evolution to explain it - the only explanation is that soft layers were quickly laid down via turbidites and then interacted before hardening into solid sedimentary rock.

It's not irrelevant the bible was written to those people who had no concept of a 24 hour day.

Their evenings and mornings was elusive to them it was a unknown time period 36 minutes each day. Thus I believe that's why the phrase was used. No one really knows how old the universe is.

 

[Gary K]

Or maybe He just moved the shadow and nothing else.

Huh? The shadows stopped moving that's why the day was so long.

 

[Gary K]

It's not irrelevant the bible was written to those people who had no concept of a 24 hour day.

Their evenings and mornings was elusive to them it was a unknown time period 36 minutes each day. Thus I believe that's why the phrase was used. No one really knows how old the universe is.

Really? People were so stupid back then they had no means of telling time? Ever heard of a sundial? A very accurate method of telling time during the day. When Hezekiah was so ill he was dying he asked God for a sign that he would get well. The sundial went backwards 15 degrees.

 

[BeyondET]

Huh? The shadows stopped moving that's why the day was so long.

The shadow was moved and the light of day, rather from the sun or not.