The "ALREADY" Gospel

[RobertPate]

I like to call the Gospel the ALREADY Gospel because it is about what Jesus has ALREADY accomplished in his life, death and resurrection. The Gospel is a declaration by God that his Son Jesus Christ has victoriously defeated sin, death and the devil and now sits in heaven as..."The King of Kings and the Lord of Lords" Revelation 19:16.

The Gospel is spiritual, many do not understand spiritual things because they don't have the Holy Spirit. Salvation has been spiritually provided for everyone, Hebrews 2:9. The Gospel is a past historical event. God was in Christ reconciling us and the world unto himself, 2 Corinthians 5:18-19. He reconciled us and the world unto himself by doing for us that which we cannot do for ourselves. In our name and on our behalf, Jesus fulfilled the law, Matthew 5:18. In our name and on our behalf, Jesus has ALREADY atoned for our sins and the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2. That's it, nothing else is required. We are complete in him, Colossians 2:10.

God sees ALL THINGS in his Son Jesus Christ. Jesus is God's new Adam and the representative of the human race. Our first representative (Adam) sinned against God and brought a curse upon all of humanity, Romans 5:19. The curse still remains.

Salvation occurs when we receive the work and the person of Jesus Christ as our only means of salvation. It is not the Gospel plus our religion, it is the Gospel plus nothing. If it is the Gospel plus something, then it is a perverted Gospel and will not save anyone. God has ALREADY done all that he can do for the salvation of fallen man. All that we are required to do is to believe and receive what he has done for us.

 

[fhansen]

I like to call the Gospel the ALREADY Gospel because it is about what Jesus has ALREADY accomplished in his life, death and resurrection. The Gospel is a declaration by God that his Son Jesus Christ has victoriously defeated sin, death and the devil and now sits in heaven as..."The King of Kings and the Lord of Lords" Revelation 19:16.

The Gospel is spiritual, many do not understand spiritual things because they don't have the Holy Spirit. Salvation has been spiritually provided for everyone, Hebrews 2:9. The Gospel is a past historical event. God was in Christ reconciling us and the world unto himself, 2 Corinthians 5:18-19. He reconciled us and the world unto himself by doing for us that which we cannot do for ourselves. In our name and on our behalf, Jesus fulfilled the law, Matthew 5:18. In our name and on our behalf, Jesus has ALREADY atoned for our sins and the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2. That's it, nothing else is required. We are complete in him, Colossians 2:10.

God sees ALL THINGS in his Son Jesus Christ. Jesus is God's new Adam and the representative of the human race. Our first representative (Adam) sinned against God and brought a curse upon all of humanity, Romans 5:19. The curse still remains.

Salvation occurs when we receive the work and the person of Jesus Christ as our only means of salvation. It is not the Gospel plus our religion, it is the Gospel plus nothing. If it is the Gospel plus something, then it is a perverted Gospel and will not save anyone. God has ALREADY done all that he can do for the salvation of fallen man. All that we are required to do is to believe and receive what he has done for us.

The already is only effective in us, however, as we enter union with Him through faith. From there we’re enabled- and expected- to live like His children.

 

[RobertPate]

The already is only effective in us, however, as we enter union with Him through faith. From there we’re enabled- and expected- to live like His children.

Telling people that they must live like God's children is preaching law.
The Gospel allows us to be human beings. It is the work of the Holy Spirit to conform us to his image, Ephesians 2:10.

 

[fhansen]

Telling people that they must live like God's children is preaching law.
The Gospel allows us to be human beings. It is the work of the Holy Spirit to conform us to his image, Ephesians 2:10.

Law or no law, believing in and living like God's children is the only way we'll see Him. The gospel allows us-frees us- to be who He created us to be. And, incidentally, He didn't create us to be sinners. He's patient in all this, hiowever. Faith places us on a journey to the perfection He created man to have. It begins here.

 

[HTacianas]

I like to call the Gospel the ALREADY Gospel because it is about what Jesus has ALREADY accomplished in his life, death and resurrection. The Gospel is a declaration by God that his Son Jesus Christ has victoriously defeated sin, death and the devil and now sits in heaven as..."The King of Kings and the Lord of Lords" Revelation 19:16.

The Gospel is spiritual, many do not understand spiritual things because they don't have the Holy Spirit. Salvation has been spiritually provided for everyone, Hebrews 2:9. The Gospel is a past historical event. God was in Christ reconciling us and the world unto himself, 2 Corinthians 5:18-19. He reconciled us and the world unto himself by doing for us that which we cannot do for ourselves. In our name and on our behalf, Jesus fulfilled the law, Matthew 5:18. In our name and on our behalf, Jesus has ALREADY atoned for our sins and the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2. That's it, nothing else is required. We are complete in him, Colossians 2:10.

God sees ALL THINGS in his Son Jesus Christ. Jesus is God's new Adam and the representative of the human race. Our first representative (Adam) sinned against God and brought a curse upon all of humanity, Romans 5:19. The curse still remains.

Salvation occurs when we receive the work and the person of Jesus Christ as our only means of salvation. It is not the Gospel plus our religion, it is the Gospel plus nothing. If it is the Gospel plus something, then it is a perverted Gospel and will not save anyone. God has ALREADY done all that he can do for the salvation of fallen man. All that we are required to do is to believe and receive what he has done for us.

Was Simon Magus a Christian?

 

[d taylor]

Was Simon Magus a Christian?

Yes

 

[RobertPate]

Law or no law, believing in and living like God's children is the only way we'll see Him. The gospel allows us-frees us- to be who He created us to be. And, incidentally, He didn't create us to be sinners. He's patient in all this, hiowever. Faith places us on a journey to the perfection He created man to have. It begins here.

Jesus said that he came into the world to save sinners. We never stop being sinners, because we are born after Adam, Romans 5:12. Catholicism is an attempt to be good enough to be saved. This is why Paul said, "There is none righteous, no, not one" Romans 3:10. There are consequences to sin, don't do it. Total sanctification will occur when Jesus appears, not before, Romans 8:23.

 

[fhansen]

Jesus said that he came into the world to save sinners. We never stop being sinners, because we are born after Adam, Romans 5:12. Catholicism is an attempt to be good enough to be saved. This is why Paul said, "There is none righteous, no, not one" Romans 3:10. There are consequences to sin, don't do it. Total sanctification will occur when Jesus appears, not before, Romans 8:23.

Keep ignoring scripture; the verses have already been quoted. Jesus saves sinners by forgiving, washing, cleansing, and purifying them from unrighteousness. He gives them a new righteousness, an authentic one. If you're trying to say that thieves and murderers and adulterers and rapists and torturers will still enter heaven, then you don't understand the gospel.

Of course sanctification won't be total until we meet Him, but if you acknowledge that sanctification is possible at all then you already acknowledge that he gives us righteousness. Now we're expected to walk in that light.

 

[RobertPate]

Keep ignoring scripture; the verses have already been quoted. Jesus saves sinners by forgiving, washing, cleansing, and purifying them from unrighteousness. He gives them a new righteousness, an authentic one. If you're trying to say that thieves and murderers and adulterers and rapists and torturers will still enter heaven, then you don't understand the gospel.

Of course sanctification won't be total until we meet Him, but if you acknowledge that sanctification is possible at all then you already acknowledge that he gives us righteousness. Now we're expected to walk in that light.

I am afraid that you are the one that does not understand the Gospel.

Salvation is totally and completely outside of us. We had nothing, absolutely nothing to do with our salvation. "While we were yet sinners, Christ died for us" Romans 5:8.

Who does Jesus justify? "But to him that does NO WORKS but believes on him that justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness" Romans 4:5.

Catholics mix sanctification with justification. The Christians life has nothing to do with his salvation. His salvation is in the doing and the dying of Jesus, not in himself. The ones that accepted Jesus as their savior in the New Testament were the harlots, thieves, tax collectors, etc. The self-righteous Pharisees rejected him.

The Holy Spirit is the one that transforms the believer AFTER he is saved, not before, Ephesians 2:10.

 

[fhansen]

The Holy Spirit is the one that transforms the believer AFTER he is saved, not before, Ephesians

God justifies us, planting a seed of righteousness within us that's meant to grow into full-blown justice/ righteousness/ the image of God/ perfection in love, but which still be can ignored, walked away from, forfeited.

It's real righteousness, a gift, meaning that, at that moment of justification we're made fit for heaven. But, again, we can also reject the gift at any point, by living unjustly instead of growing in justice as we remain in Him, picking up our cross and following daily. Once the requirement for personal righteousness is divorced from salvation, the gospel is subverted, eviscerated. Fortunately most Christians, regardless of theology intuitively understand and live as if what they do, in response to grace, begining with faith, counts.

 

[RobertPate]

God justifies us, planting a seed of righteousness within us that's meant to grow into full-blown justice/ righteousness/ the image of God/ perfection in love, but which still be can ignored, walked away from, forfeited.

It's real righteousness, a gift, meaning that, at that moment of justification we're made fit for heaven. But, again, we can also reject the gift at any point, by living unjustly instead of growing in justice as we remain in Him, picking up our cross and following daily. Once the requirement for personal righteousness is divorced from salvation, the gospel is subverted, eviscerated. Fortunately most Christians, regardless of theology intuitively understand and live as if what they do, in response to grace, begining with faith, counts.

There is no such thing as an infused righteousness. The word "Infused" is not in the Bible. You can eat wafers and drink grape juice until you puke, you will never be like Jesus. We are still on this earth in our unredeemed Adamic bodies, Romans 8:23. Waiting to be transformed into his likeness. John said, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us" 1 John 1:8.

You are deceiving yourself if you think that you have a righteousness that God will accept. God only accepts the righteousness of Jesus Christ. We are accepted only in him and because of him. If anyone goes to heaven it will not be on their merit, it will be on the merit of Jesus Christ. You need to renounce your righteousness and accept the righteousness of Jesus Christ for your salvation, Romans 3:26.

 

[fhansen]

There is no such thing as an infused righteousness. The word "Infused" is not in the Bible. You can eat wafers and drink grape juice until you puke, you will never be like Jesus. We are still on this earth in our unredeemed Adamic bodies, Romans 8:23. Waiting to be transformed into his likeness. John said, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us" 1 John 1:8.

You are deceiving yourself if you think that you have a righteousness that God will accept. God only accepts the righteousness of Jesus Christ. We are accepted only in him and because of him. If anyone goes to heaven it will not be on their merit, it will be on the merit of Jesus Christ. You need to renounce your righteousness and accept the righteousness of Jesus Christ for your salvation, Romans 3:26.

"Trinity" isnt in the bible either. But the gift of righteuosness is not only spoken of frequently, but then righteous actions are demanded after that free gift, the gift of justice given at justification IOW, of Christ's own life that we're to continue to freely partake of.

So of course we renounce our own righteousness; we have none-apart from Him. That's the whole point of the gospel, the basis of the new covenant. Man was not created to be a sinner but he will sin when alienated from God.

"If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness." 1 John 1:9

"No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him. Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work." 1 John 3:6-8

 

[RobertPate]

"Trinity" isnt in the bible either. But the gift of righteuosness is not only spoken of frequently, but then righteous actions are demanded after that free gift, the gift of justice given at justification IOW, of Christ's own life that we're to continue to freely partake of.

So of course we renounce our own righteousness; we have none-apart from Him. That's the whole point of the gospel, the basis of the new covenant. Man was not created to be a sinner but he will sin when alienated from God.

"If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness." 1 John 1:9

"No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him. Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work." 1 John 3:6-8

There are two different kinds of righteousness.

1. The righteousness of man. There are many good righteous people

2. The righteousness of God. No one possess the righteousness of God. Because all have been born after Adam and are sinners. Romans 5:12, Romans 3:10, Romans 5:19.

The only thing that is going to pass in the judgment is the righteousness of Christ. The righteousness of Christ is ours by faith in Christ and his Gospel, Romans 4:5.

 

[fhansen]

There are two different kinds of righteousness.

1. The righteousness of man. There are many good righteous people

2. The righteousness of God. No one possess the righteousness of God. Because all have been born after Adam and are sinners. Romans 5:12, Romans 3:10, Romans 5:19.

The only thing that is going to pass in the judgment is the righteousness of Christ. The righteousness of Christ is ours by faith in Christ and his Gospel, Romans 4:5.

John isn't talking about the righteousness of man. That wouldn't even make sense. Neither is Paul where he distinguishes the "righteousness" of man, that which he had as a Pharisee, from the real thing:

"...not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ—the righteousness that comes from God on the basis of faith." Phil 3:9

 

[Daniel Peres]

I like to call the Gospel the ALREADY Gospel because it is about what Jesus has ALREADY accomplished in his life, death and resurrection. The Gospel is a declaration by God that his Son Jesus Christ has victoriously defeated sin, death and the devil and now sits in heaven as..."The King of Kings and the Lord of Lords" Revelation 19:16.

The Gospel is spiritual, many do not understand spiritual things because they don't have the Holy Spirit. Salvation has been spiritually provided for everyone, Hebrews 2:9. The Gospel is a past historical event. God was in Christ reconciling us and the world unto himself, 2 Corinthians 5:18-19. He reconciled us and the world unto himself by doing for us that which we cannot do for ourselves. In our name and on our behalf, Jesus fulfilled the law, Matthew 5:18. In our name and on our behalf, Jesus has ALREADY atoned for our sins and the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2. That's it, nothing else is required. We are complete in him, Colossians 2:10.

God sees ALL THINGS in his Son Jesus Christ. Jesus is God's new Adam and the representative of the human race. Our first representative (Adam) sinned against God and brought a curse upon all of humanity, Romans 5:19. The curse still remains.

Salvation occurs when we receive the work and the person of Jesus Christ as our only means of salvation. It is not the Gospel plus our religion, it is the Gospel plus nothing. If it is the Gospel plus something, then it is a perverted Gospel and will not save anyone. God has ALREADY done all that he can do for the salvation of fallen man. All that we are required to do is to believe and receive what he has done for us.

There are many problems with your claim, but I’m just going to discuss one of the glaring problems with your belief that the Gospel is only about what Jesus accomplished during his life and ending with his death and resurrection. The claim you are making contradicts the good news (Gospel) that Jesus (the Messiah) gave in Matthew 16:18, and it also contradicts the events detailed in Acts Chapter 2.

In Matthew 16:18 Jesus proclaims his good news, “I will build my church.” This statement is regarding the fact that Jesus will build his church in the future, and there is no other rational way to interpret this verse. So when, in the future, did Jesus build his Church? Acts chapter 2 details that Jesus’ church was created on Pentecost. Just as Jesus had promised the Apostles, the Holy Spirit was sent and the church was built, and this all happened after Jesus’ life, death, and resurrection. This is a matter of fact, no matter what you believe the church is.

I suppose you could make make the argument that Jesus’ news about building his church was not good news at all, and that he built a church that is of no value to salvation, but personally I think it would be unkind to accuse Jesus of doing something of no value.

BTW, even if you don’t accept the papacy, Acts chapter 2 also proves that Peter was indeed the rock Jesus said he would build his church on. Logic dictates that the rock had to be Peter because when Jesus finally did build his church, he was no longer in the world.

 

[Daniel Peres]

Catholicism is an attempt to be good enough to be saved.

I have no problem with anyone who objects to any Catholic belief. What I don’t understand is, why would anyone want to criticize an imaginary Catholic belief. There Catholic Church has never taught this. Not only has this never been a teaching of the Catholic Church, no pope or ecumenical council of bishops has the authority to make this a teaching of the Catholic Church, since they are prohibited from contradicting infallible church teachings.

Catholics have many beliefs you can criticize. so why don’t you attack an actual Catholic belief like praying to saints. Tell us that we are too ignorant to understand the real meaning of the words of James 2:15, “The prayer of a righteous man availeth much.”

 

[RobertPate]

John isn't talking about the righteousness of man. That wouldn't even make sense. Neither is Paul where he distinguishes the "righteousness" of man, that which he had as a Pharisee, from the real thing:

"...not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ—the righteousness that comes from God on the basis of faith." Phil 3:9

No one possess the righteous of God. The righteousness of God is to the Christians account, he doesn't have it yet. It is reserved for him in heaven, 1 Peter 1:4.

 

[RobertPate]

There are many problems with your claim, but I’m just going to discuss one of the glaring problems with your belief that the Gospel is only about what Jesus accomplished during his life and ending with his death and resurrection. The claim you are making contradicts the good news (Gospel) that Jesus (the Messiah) gave in Matthew 16:18, and it also contradicts the events detailed in Acts Chapter 2.

In Matthew 16:18 Jesus proclaims his good news, “I will build my church.” This statement is regarding the fact that Jesus will build his church in the future, and there is no other rational way to interpret this verse. So when, in the future, did Jesus build his Church? Acts chapter 2 details that Jesus’ church was created on Pentecost. Just as Jesus had promised the Apostles, the Holy Spirit was sent and the church was built, and this all happened after Jesus’ life, death, and resurrection. This is a matter of fact, no matter what you believe the church is.

I suppose you could make make the argument that Jesus’ news about building his church was not good news at all, and that he built a church that is of no value to salvation, but personally I think it would be unkind to accuse Jesus of doing something of no value.

BTW, even if you don’t accept the papacy, Acts chapter 2 also proves that Peter was indeed the rock Jesus said he would build his church on. Logic dictates that the rock had to be Peter because when Jesus finally did build his church, he was no longer in the world.

Christ's church is an invisible church. It is composed of blood bought, born again believers. That have faith in the work and the person of Jesus Christ, plus nothing else. Ephesians 1:13. They believe the Gospel and have full confidence the Jesus has victoriously defeated sin, death and the devil and that they are perfect and complete "In Christ" Colossians 2:10.

 

[RobertPate]

I have no problem with anyone who objects to any Catholic belief. What I don’t understand is, why would anyone want to criticize an imaginary Catholic belief. There Catholic Church has never taught this. Not only has this never been a teaching of the Catholic Church, no pope or ecumenical council of bishops has the authority to make this a teaching of the Catholic Church, since they are prohibited from contradicting infallible church teachings.

Catholics have many beliefs you can criticize. so why don’t you attack an actual Catholic belief like praying to saints. Tell us that we are too ignorant to understand the real meaning of the words of James 2:15, “The prayer of a righteous man availeth much.”

I have trouble with any church or person that rejects the historical Gospel of Jesus Christ.
In the Gospel Jesus reconciles us and the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18-19. No laws, rules or religion needed.

 

[Daniel Peres]

Christ's church is an invisible church. It is composed of blood bought, born again believers. That have faith in the work and the person of Jesus Christ, plus nothing else. Ephesians 1:13. They believe the Gospel and have full confidence the Jesus has victoriously defeated sin, death and the devil and that they are perfect and complete "In Christ" Colossians 2:10.

Even if Jesus did build an invisible church, it was still built on the Pentecost that followed hus death and resurrection. Yet you claim Jesus did nothing of importance after his death and resurrection.

As for your claim that Jesus built an invisible church, let me ask you a few questions.

1) If Jesus, who you acknowledge is the Christ, built an invisible church, then why did he appoint a visible man (Peter) to be his chief steward/vicar? In Matthew 16:18-19, Jesus (God) gives the keys to the kingdom to Peter. What do you think he was doing when he said that to Peter. In case you don’t know, Jesus (God) was doing exactly what God was prophesied to do in Isaiah 22:30-25 when God was to give Eliakim the keys to the Davidic Kingdom thereby making him the chief steward/vicar of the christ/king. What purpose could there be for making Peter Jesus Christ’s vicar of an invisible church, and how could Peter even serve as the Christ’s vicar if the church was invisible? Lastly, if the Davidic Kingdom of the Old Testament was visible, then why would a person believe that Jesus, as the new David, would build an invisible church? The only difference with Mathew 16:18-19 and Isaiah 22:30-25 is that in Matthew Jesus was both God and the Christ/King, while in Isaiah, God was divine, and the Christ/king of the kingdom was human.

2) If Jesus built an invisible church, then why are all Christians bound to obey the decision of the council of Jerusalem. If Protestantism is correct that Jesus’ church is an invisible one which includes a bunch of independent churches, then the churches the taught that the Old Testament law must continue to be obeyed, would be in their right to continue that practice. However, since Jesus’ church is not invisible. the Judaizers had to end that teaching.