The 7000 years of human history - with proof

[Timtofly]

In between Arphaxad and Salah (Sala) was a son named Cainan. So, the question is, "why is he not named in the genealogies of Genesis chapter 11?" the answer is, "Because he is NOT one of the Patriarch references of the Biblical timeline of History." He is not of a generation used for dating. He is not a Patriarch reference, and that is why he is not included in the reference. So we have clear Biblical evidence that begat does not signify a immediate father son relationship, and also that the genealogy of Genesis 11 is not a strict immediate father/son relationship as some try and force it to be.

This is not relevant though. The time between two people would not change as fact, even if there were 3 generations in between them. This is not to see how many generations, but amounts of historical time.

Even Judah ended up having his own "grandson" as his sons failed. Genesis 38. Not naming every generation should not be a problem. God is not skipping time, only people.

Why would God leave it up to humans to be the arbitrators of time? He did go to the extent of giving us periods of time.

I don't deny this, others have searched the same Scriptures, and have arrived at opinions that differ from yours. My question regarding your computations is how do you biblically prove 1000 LITERAL years equal the Day of the Lord and 1 day of God? If you cannot prove this assumption from Scripture why should anyone believe your assumptions are correct?

Peter telling us to not be ignorant comes to mind. Should Peter have to prove his assumption that some would be ignorant?

Peter could have left that phrase out altogether.

 

[parousia70]

And it takes into account a literal understanding of the 1000 years = 1 day of God and 1000 year Day of the Lord in the common understanding of what that text is saying.

Hmm.. so you are saying that because 1000 years is like one day to God, that the millennium can be fulfilled, in Gods eyes, through the passing of one earth day?

since one earth earth day = 1000 years to God?

that’s an interesting angle.

 

[DavidPT]

Hmm.. so you are saying that because 1000 years is like one day to God, that the millennium can be fulfilled, in Gods eyes, through the passing of one earth day?

since one earth earth day = 1000 years to God?

that’s an interesting angle.

Why should anyone assume a 24 hour earth day is meant by one day? Maybe a thousand years are meant by one day not 24 hours are meant by one day.

An earth day consists of 24 hours. A thousand years, regardless how you look at it, consist of more than 24 hours. Why would a 24 hour day be with God as a thousand years, and a thousand years as a 24 hour day? What does that look like to God? Can you provide an example that expresses your interpretation of this verse? I'll go first.

One day is with us as 24 hours. 24 hours are as one day. This obviously means one day and 24 hours involve the same amount of time. Why would it not be equally true of one day and a thousand years, that they too involve the same amount of time? IOW, one day in this context is an era of time involving 1000 years. The same way per my example, one day is an era of time involving 24 hours.

 

[rwb]

2 Peter 3:3-10 (KJV) Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Here is the context of vs 3:8. Scoffers denied the Lord's coming again. These scoffers forget that by the Word of God the earth being overflowed by water perished. And though the heavens and earth now, like the days of old are being kept by the same Word of God, the day (one) of the Lord will come. But for now, it is being reserved for the day of Judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

Though man thinks the Lord is delaying His return, He is not. Rather He is showing His great patience in waiting for whoever shall come to repentance in time so they will not perish. When the day (singular) of Lord comes again the destruction of the heavens and earth that are now, will be destroyed in like manner as happened during the flood, utterly leaving nothing on earth alive.

Be we should not be ignorant of this one thing. Time, as one day, is with the Lord as time, a thousand years, and time a thousand years, as time, one day. IOW in this time we are living through since the first advent of Christ is likened to a thousand years, that is time that does not matter what day one repents and turns to Christ for any day is the same, and like a thousand years. Because it is on any one particular day of this time likened to a thousand years that mankind must be saved.

2 Corinthians 6:2 (KJV) (For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)

1 Thessalonians 5:8-10 (KJV) But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.

Edited to connect this reply to OP.

I would agree that a thousand SYMBOLIC years does equate to the Day of the Lord coming from His first advent to His second coming. And that His coming can be equated to any one day during this symbolic time when man calls on the name of the Lord for salvation.

But I do not see a thousand symbolic years being used through Scripture as a means to date the age of the earth.

 

[parousia70]

Why would a 24 hour day be with God as a thousand years, and a thousand years as a 24 hour day?

Because that's EXACTLY what scripture teaches:
2 Peter 3:8
8 But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Peter is not saying the same thing twice.
He is saying, To God, the passing of 1000 years on earth is as one day to Him, AND, the Passing of one earth day is as 1000 years to Him.

Both are true for God is TimeLESS.

 

[keras]

When the day (singular) of Lord comes again the destruction of the heavens and earth that are now, will be destroyed in like manner as happened during the flood, utterly leaving nothing on earth alive.

This idea cannot be correct. It makes all the rest of Revelation, past Revelation 19:11 to be wrong and just a nonsense.
We are plainly informed that the new heavens and earth do not come until after the Millennium and the GWT Judgment. THEN comes Eternity and God living with mankind. Revelation 21 to 22

The terrible Day that 2 Peter 3:7 refers to, is the forthcoming Sixth Seal worldwide disaster, a world changer which will set the scene for all the following prophesied things to happen.

 

[rwb]

This idea cannot be correct. It makes all the rest of Revelation, past Revelation 19:11 to be wrong and just a nonsense.
We are plainly informed that the new heavens and earth do not come until after the Millennium and the GWT Judgment. THEN comes Eternity and God living with mankind. Revelation 21 to 22

The terrible Day that 2 Peter 3:7 refers to, is the forthcoming Sixth Seal worldwide disaster, a world changer which will set the scene for all the following prophesied things to happen.

Rev 19:11-21 is a vision of the symbolic time of a thousand years, or the Day of the Lord from His first advent until the seventh trumpet begins to sound His coming again after the thousand years have ended and Satan is loosed from his pit.

According to the visions this time period culminates with the armies of Satan gathering against the armies of Christ at a place called Armageddon. This vision (19) focuses on the destruction of the beast and false prophet being cast into the eternal flames. As well the vision begins by showing the faithful being invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb.

Part of the same vision is shown again in Rev 20 after Satan is loosed from the pit only in this vision the focus is first on the destruction of Gog (antichrists, many) and Magog (antichristians, many) being burned up by the fire of God coming down from heaven, and then the devil being cast into the burning flames (LOF) with the beast and false prophet.

Then we read of the GWT Judgment, and Him that sat on the throne from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. Finally, all the dead, both small and great, and the dead from the sea, and death and hell delivering the dead that are in them are cast into the LOF.

Finally, the last vision is of the new heaven and new earth after the first heaven and earth perish.

Also, the opening of the sixth seal found in Rev 6 is also a vision from the perspective of the Old Covenant prophets of what shall come upon the earth during this time the Old Covenant prophets prophesied would be the wrath of the Lamb. "For the great day of His wrath has come". The symbolic language John uses here depicts the Day of the Lord, when the Messiah came to earth as man and gave His blood a ransom for many. John is describing for us the final end as the Old Testament prophets wrote, as the coming Messiah would usher in, an age that would be like none other.

A time (likened to a thousand years) when a war waged between the forces of Christ, or armies of heaven against the armies of Satan. The upheaval of this spiritual war that will be waged throughout the Day of the Lord will cause great tribulation to come upon the whole earth, and none will be spared. In the end only those belonging to the armies of Christ will be able to stand with Christ in the Judgment to hear, "Well done...enter into the joy of the Lord" (Mt 25:21).

Revelation 6:12-17 (KJV) And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

So, I really don't know what you are talking about when you say, "It makes all the rest of Revelation, past Revelation 19:11 to be wrong and just a nonsense." So, you'll have to be more specific if you wish for me to understand your pov.

 

[EclipseEventSigns]

This forum is very frustrating. No one seems to be able to stay on topic in any thread. Even statements about keeping to the purpose of the thread are entirely ignored. And here I thought it would be one of the most exciting things to come across someone who has finally figured out how to accurately understand the timeline of human history. As far as I'm aware, this information has not been discovered by anyone else (and I've been looking for 15 years). No one is even interested in checking it out for themselves. Just posting their own opinions - entirely unrelated to the original topic.

 

[Original Happy Camper]

How come only the Father knows the day and hour?

"But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in Heaven, neither the Son, but the Father."

If Jesus does not know then he is not GOD.

An old English version of the passage reads, "But that day and hour no man maketh known, neither the angels which are in Heaven, neither the Son, but the Father." This is the correct reading, according to several of the ablest critics of the age. The word know is used in the same sense here that it is by Paul, in 1Cor.2:2: "For I determined not to know [make known] anything among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified." Men will not make known the day and hour, angels will not make it known, neither will the Son; but the Father will make it known.

https://irp-cdn.multiscreensite.com...James White - The Second Coming of Christ.pdf

 

[rwb]

This forum is very frustrating. No one seems to be able to stay on topic in any thread. Even statements about keeping to the purpose of the thread are entirely ignored. And here I thought it would be one of the most exciting things to come across someone who has finally figured out how to accurately understand the timeline of human history. As far as I'm aware, this information has not been discovered by anyone else (and I've been looking for 15 years). No one is even interested in checking it out for themselves. Just posting their own opinions - entirely unrelated to the original topic.

Did you not consider the discussion would be steered around Scripture that speaks of a thousand years since in your OP you say "The 1000 year Millennial Kingdom is expected to be the final portion of human history (ie. time). This is very often described as the Day of the Lord. Here again 1000 years = 1 Day"? Then in reply #55 you say, "This thread is for people to examine the evidences that were presented, ask questions about the methods that were used in the research, check out the information for themselves and discuss their reactions."

Myself and others are curious about how you arrived at your conclusions regarding the thousand years, but it seems you don't really want to hear other peoples opinions, but only that they accept yours??? If that's the case this isn't a discussion but a lecture.

 

[Original Happy Camper]

This forum is very frustrating. No one seems to be able to stay on topic in any thread. Even statements about keeping to the purpose of the thread are entirely ignored. And here I thought it would be one of the most exciting things to come across someone who has finally figured out how to accurately understand the timeline of human history. As far as I'm aware, this information has not been discovered by anyone else (and I've been looking for 15 years). No one is even interested in checking it out for themselves. Just posting their own opinions - entirely unrelated to the original topic.

Since the earliest times Christians have believed in a 7,000 year time period which follows the pattern of seven days of creation in the book of Genesis. Six days of work followed by one day of rest. The key to understanding this is in 2 Peter 3:8.

[2Pe 3:8 KJV] 8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day [is] with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

The following are some of the sources for the early church's teaching of this doctrine.

Irenaeus
So from a prophetic point of view one day is a thousand years. From the time of Adam there will be 6,000 years followed by 1,000 years of rest. The early church fathers believed this. Irenaeus (ca. 125-202) was bishop of Lugdunum in Gaul, which is now Lyons, France. Irenaeus was born in Smyrna in Asia Minor, where he studied under bishop Polycarp who in turn had been a disciple of the Apostle John.

In his work, "Against Heresies" (Book5, Chapter 8, paragraph 3), Irenaeus said the following:

3. For in as many days as this world was made, in so many thousand years shall it be concluded. And for this reason the Scripture says: ''Thus the heaven and the earth were finished, and all their adornment. And God brought to a conclusion upon the sixth day the works that He had made; and God rested upon the seventh day from all His works''. Genesis 2:2. This is an account of the things formerly created, as also it is a prophecy of what is to come. ''For the day of the Lord is as a thousand years''; 2 Peter 3:8. In six days created things were completed: it is evident, therefore, that they will come to an end at the sixth thousand year.

Hippolytus of Rome was an early Christian theologian who lived between 170 and 235 A.D. His commentary on the Book of Daniel is the oldest surviving Christian commentary on scripture. The following is from Fragment 2 of his commentary on Daniel, paragraph 4.


And 6, 000 years must needs be accomplished, in order that the Sabbath may come, the rest, the holy day on which God rested from all His works. For the Sabbath is the type and emblem of the future kingdom of the saints, when they shall reign with Christ, when He comes from heaven, as John says in his Apocalypse: for a day with the Lord is as a thousand years. Since, then, in six days God made all things, it follows that 6, 000 years must be fulfilled. And they are not yet fulfilled, as John says: five are fallen; one is, that is, the sixth; the other is not yet come.
https://www.prophecy-workshop.com/the-7-000-year-cycle

 

[DavidPT]

I would agree that a thousand SYMBOLIC years does equate to the Day of the Lord coming from His first advent to His second coming. And that His coming can be equated to any one day during this symbolic time when man calls on the name of the Lord for salvation.

Here's some things we are told about the day of the Lord, which you apparently insist has been in progress for almost 2000 years unless I'm misunderstanding you.

Amos 5:18 Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light.
19 As if a man did flee from a lion, and a bear met him; or went into the house, and leaned his hand on the wall, and a serpent bit him.
20 Shall not the day of the LORD be darkness, and not light? even very dark, and no brightness in it?


1 Thessalonians 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Even though you appear to admit the thousand years and the day of the Lord speak of the same period of time, and unless you are a Preterist, which I don't take you to be, how then do you find it reasonable 1 Thessalonians 5:2 and 2 Peter 3:10 already came as a thief in the night 2000 years ago? If you argue that those particular verses are still future, how can you then be arguing that the DOTL has been in progress for nearly 2000 years?

If you willing to admit that the thousand years and the day of the Lord speak of the same era of time, but then are willing to accept it is not reasonable after all to have the day of the Lord beginning 2000 years ago, shouldn't that mean you have no choice but to believe the thousand years are future still since you see the day of the Lord meaning the entire thousand years? Or if not, shouldn't that mean that you have no choice but to abandon the idea altogether, that the day of the Lord is meaning the entire thousand years?

BTW, you seem to be the only Amill I'm aware of that would conclude that the day of the Lord equals the entire thousand years. Most Amills conclude that the day of the Lord does not even involve the thousand years, that it is after the thousand years sometime during satan's little season being when the DOTL initially begins.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

This forum is very frustrating. No one seems to be able to stay on topic in any thread. Even statements about keeping to the purpose of the thread are entirely ignored. And here I thought it would be one of the most exciting things to come across someone who has finally figured out how to accurately understand the timeline of human history. As far as I'm aware, this information has not been discovered by anyone else (and I've been looking for 15 years). No one is even interested in checking it out for themselves. Just posting their own opinions - entirely unrelated to the original topic.

Isn't determining when exactly the thousand years occur related to the topic of this thread? Part of the reason you believe what you do is because of your belief that the thousand years will follow the return of Christ. Of course, your view doesn't seem to take Satan's little season into account and we've tried to show you that. I think that is relevant. If it can be shown that your understanding of the timing of the thousand years is wrong then that throws off your entire theory, so I think it's relevant to talk about that.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

Since the earliest times Christians have believed in a 7,000 year time period which follows the pattern of seven days of creation in the book of Genesis. Six days of work followed by one day of rest. The key to understanding this is in 2 Peter 3:8.

[2Pe 3:8 KJV] 8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day [is] with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

That verse has absolutely nothing to do with the thousand years of Revelation 20, which you see as being the final 1,000 years of your 7,000 year theory. No, that verse should be read in conjunction with the verse which follows it in order to see the context of it.

2 Peter 3:8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

What verse 8 is saying is that no amount of time, whether it's a 24 hour day or a thousand years, makes any difference to the Lord. Why? Because He created time and exists outside of time. Peter uses that fact to support his point that the Lord is not being slow in keeping His promise to come back from heaven. It might seem slow to people who are affected by time, but it's not slow at all to the Lord who is not affected at all by time.

 

[rwb]

Here's some things we are told about the day of the Lord, which you apparently insist has been in progress for almost 2000 years unless I'm misunderstanding you.

Amos 5:18 Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light.
19 As if a man did flee from a lion, and a bear met him; or went into the house, and leaned his hand on the wall, and a serpent bit him.
20 Shall not the day of the LORD be darkness, and not light? even very dark, and no brightness in it?

1 Thessalonians 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Even though you appear to admit the thousand years and the day of the Lord speak of the same period of time, and unless you are a Preterist, which I don't take you to be, how then do you find it reasonable 1 Thessalonians 5:2 and 2 Peter 3:10 already came as a thief in the night 2000 years ago? If you argue that those particular verses are still future, how can you then be arguing that the DOTL has been in progress for nearly 2000 years?

The Day of the Lord coming was fulfilled when Messiah came. Have you ever done a search in the OT of 'Day of the Lord'? Each of the 24 verses from the Old Testament (KJV) the prophets write of the Day of the Lord as a day of wrath, and destruction against the enemies of the Lord. That's because all the prophets who prophesy about the coming of the Messiah, as the Day of the Lord, foresee Messiah to come not only to redeem the saints, but they seem especially focused on Him coming with destruction and wrath.

The prophets were not expecting or prophesying about two separate comings, but one. And all the prophets prophesied about the Messiah who would come in the Day of the Lord has been and is being fulfilled in this time called the Day of the Lord and likened to a thousand symbolic years. But what the prophets did not foretell or understand is that after His sacrificial death He would come a second time in wrath to make a full end of all His enemies.

Consider for instance the words of the prophet Joel. Peter in the book of Acts tells us the day of Pentecost and the outpouring of the Holy Spirit on all flesh is fulfillment of Joel's prophesy. But listen to the prophesy, it sounds as though this is fulfillment of the Day of the Lord the OT prophets foretell will be fulfilled when Messiah came, not some two thousand plus years later.

This is a picture of Messiah to come in the Day of the Lord when all these things Joel foretells will come to pass. What Joel's prophesy does not tell us is that his prophetic words began to be fulfilled at Pentecost but would not be completely fulfilled until the second coming of the Messiah when Christ will destroy all His enemies when He comes the second time.

Joel envisioned all of this as the Day of the Lord when Messiah came to earth to fulfill all that is written concerning Him. Joel did not see two comings of the Messiah, or two day of the Lord events, but ONE. And that Day of the Lord has come when Messiah came to earth the God-Man as the suffering servant but will come again to fulfill the words of prophesy by destroying every enemy, and usher in the next age of eternity.

First the beginning of the Day of the Lord coming when Jesus Christ was born, and then the earth goes through this time (a thousand symbolic years) for building the Kingdom of heaven as the Gospel is proclaimed unto all the earth, and whoever believes by grace through faith enters into the Kingdom. Then at the end of this symbolic time, Christ comes again, not to save His people, it's too late for that, but to destroy every enemy the prophets foretell He will at His coming with judgment and wrath.

Acts 2:14-21 (KJV) But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words: For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day. But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke: The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come: And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

If you willing to admit that the thousand years and the day of the Lord speak of the same era of time, but then are willing to accept it is not reasonable after all to have the day of the Lord beginning 2000 years ago, shouldn't that mean you have no choice but to believe the thousand years are future still since you see the day of the Lord meaning the entire thousand years? Or if not, shouldn't that mean that you have no choice but to abandon the idea altogether, that the day of the Lord is meaning the entire thousand years?

What you are forgetting is that the New Testament is written after the advent of the prophesied Messiah who would come in the Day of the Lord, symbolized a thousand years. Therefore, Paul is writing about the second coming, that is also called the Day of the Lord. But when Christ comes the second time the prophesy of old will finally be fulfilled because the Messiah has come and the Day of the Lord they prophesied would come will be finished, and the Day (one) of the Lord the New Testament foresees will also be finished.

BTW, you seem to be the only Amill I'm aware of that would conclude that the day of the Lord equals the entire thousand years. Most Amills conclude that the day of the Lord does not even involve the thousand years, that it is after the thousand years sometime during satan's little season being when the DOTL initially begins.

David, those of us who profess to believe Amill is truth are individuals. We don't all explain our understanding of Amil doctrine in the same way. To be honest I appreciate like-minded people who have similar views as my own. But I try to use the Bible alone to guide my understanding of biblical doctrine. I haven't heard another person professing Amill teach the thousand years are sometime during Satan's little season. The very definition of Amill requires a belief that the thousand years symbolizes time between the first and second coming of Christ. Some may have a difficult time understanding about how time can still exist during Satan's little season. But that's most likely because they might still be trying to understand how time shall be no more when the seventh trumpet begins to sound, and Satan's little season of time can both be true.

Hope this explains my position in a way you can comprehend.

With this understanding it's easy to understand why I have a problem with the understanding the OP preposes regarding the thousand years and the Day of the Lord as a way to gage the age of the earth. Because the thousand years are indeed the Day of the Lord, symbolizing not all time from creation, but all time given the New Covenant Church to build the Kingdom of heaven through the Gospel and power of the Holy Spirit.

 

[grafted branch]

"But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in Heaven, neither the Son, but the Father."

If Jesus does not know then he is not GOD.

My understanding of the trinity is that Jesus is not the Father, but Jesus is God and the Father is God. So it would be possible for only the Father (and God) to know the day and hour.

 

[keras]

This forum is very frustrating. No one seems to be able to stay on topic in any thread. Even statements about keeping to the purpose of the thread are entirely ignored. And here I thought it would be one of the most exciting things to come across someone who has finally figured out how to accurately understand the timeline of human history. As far as I'm aware, this information has not been discovered by anyone else (and I've been looking for 15 years). No one is even interested in checking it out for themselves. Just posting their own opinions - entirely unrelated to the original topic.

Thread diversions are the norm on most forums. That is how it is, get over it.
It can be frustrating, but can also lead on to very good discussions.

You have yet to even acknowledge my post #43
I do not make opinions in it, but use 47 Bible scriptures. We are in general agreement.

 

[parousia70]

This forum is very frustrating. No one seems to be able to stay on topic in any thread. Even statements about keeping to the purpose of the thread are entirely ignored. And here I thought it would be one of the most exciting things to come across someone who has finally figured out how to accurately understand the timeline of human history. As far as I'm aware, this information has not been discovered by anyone else (and I've been looking for 15 years). No one is even interested in checking it out for themselves. Just posting their own opinions - entirely unrelated to the original topic.

Anyone claiming private revelation of a "biblical truth" that no one else has ever discovered will always be a red flag for me.
Indeed, frustratingly, this forum is full of folks who make such outlandish claims.

 

[Timtofly]

And they are not yet fulfilled, as John says: five are fallen; one is, that is, the sixth; the other is not yet come.

I am curious how there was a quote of John claiming 5,000 years had passed.

 

[Timtofly]

That verse has absolutely nothing to do with the thousand years of Revelation 20, which you see as being the final 1,000 years of your 7,000 year theory. No, that verse should be read in conjunction with the verse which follows it in order to see the context of it.

2 Peter 3:8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

What verse 8 is saying is that no amount of time, whether it's a 24 hour day or a thousand years, makes any difference to the Lord. Why? Because He created time and exists outside of time. Peter uses that fact to support his point that the Lord is not being slow in keeping His promise to come back from heaven. It might seem slow to people who are affected by time, but it's not slow at all to the Lord who is not affected at all by time.

Obviously God was mistaken then in giving humans 6 Days to work? If time does not matter to God why impose work as a time of 6 Days? Some of us think Peter was referring to the 4th Commandment.