The 7000-Year Theory

[keras]

You friend is in error on the Jewish timelines accepted in their own histories on the length of time Israel was in Egypt -and it is the Jewish Scriptures that prove Israel was in Egypt for 210 years and not oppressed at all until after Joseph's death, and then by degrees, only, until by the time of Miriam's birth they were "bitter people".

My friend in error? What I said is all the info is from scripture. What you are saying is: Bible scripture is in error.
I suggest you pay less attention to fables and fiction and stick to the Word of God. You and others, seem to be in some kind of denial about Bible prophecy. Because you are interested enough to be on this forum, you should be at a stage where understanding of the Prophetic Word is enlightening you. Its a mistake to go down 'rabbit holes', study the truth of the Bible.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

My friend in error? What I said is all the info is from scripture. What you are saying is: Bible scripture is in error.
I suggest you pay less attention to fables and fiction and stick to the Word of God. You and others, seem to be in some kind of denial about Bible prophecy. Because you are interested enough to be on this forum, you should be at a stage where understanding of the Prophetic Word is enlightening you. Its a mistake to go down 'rabbit holes', study the truth of the Bible.

Yes ma'am, your friend is in error about the length of time Israel was in Egypt and I gave the Scriptures that prove they were there for 210 years...and I gave them several times.

Now are you by some means making a claim that your word is the word of God -that you got from your friend? -cause it "ain't".

 

[yeshuasavedme]

The 7 day has poetic balance to it, but if "right" means lab-tested, I don't think so. On the other hand, Dr. H. Ross, astro-physics, U Toronto (lately) says humans as we know them have only be active doing worship, art, building for about 30K. Before that there were 'hominids' but there is too little indication of these things; they appear abruptly. He thinks that that is the creation meant by Genesis.

Hugh Ross is a false teacher and does not believe the Word of God at all, denying it in its entirety from Genesis 1, on.
He has no credibility as a teacher of the Word of God and his science is "hear -say" and quite heretical, to boot, on the Word of God.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

The main flaw with the theory, however, is that there was plenty of human activity more than 6,000 years ago.

For example Catal Hoyuk, dated to 7,000 to 9,000 years ago. Or the even older Gobleki Tepe which is 11,000 years old.

-CryptoLutheran

The dating methods are in error and many times the dates agreeing with the Biblical chronology is thrown out and data agreeing with what the non-believers are looking for are kept.
Lava from a volcano in Hawaii that was fresh from recent eruptions dated to millions of years or so old, -I am going from memory; the info is not at hand, but is in a creation book somewhere that I have had, and may still have.
But we have a more sure record -"the Word of God"- which details a millennial week for this present creation, and then that "Great Day" -rehearsed by Israel as the 8th day after Tabernacles began- comes, when the oracle of circumcision is fulfilled in that Adam will multiply the seed of Adam, no more.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Our understanding of physics has changed numerous times. At one point the general view was that the earth was the center of the universe and the sun orbited the earth. With Copernicus, Galileo, and Kepler our understanding changed, with Newton our understanding further changed as Newton's laws of physics came to dominate our understanding of the physical universe. ...

-CryptoLutheran

God's Word has never changed, and the sun still goes around the globe/tebel called earth, and from which earth the heavens were stretched out between the divided waters of creation on day two of seven evenings and mornings =one day each.
The heavens are named "two waters- sha-mayim", for "waters" are "mayim", and the "shin" letter was first depicted by the sign of the two front incisors.

Men become fools when they deny the Word of God and accept the false teaching of "science falsely so called".

 

[Houly]

Where do you see that Abraham was 70 though? All I'm seeing in Genesis 12:1-4, where it says he was 75 when he went to Canaan.

 

[Interplanner]

to Yeshua,
the purpose here is discussion. You can repeat your position to yourself as much as you like, but if you are going to contribute here, it should engage something being discussed. To be exact, people who wish to destroy the Bible don't put out material that shows it is scientifically credible. They just say it is insanity, without discussion, or 'end of discussion.' Ross is not doing that.

You're a bit behind about celestial mechanics. How about if you watch THE PRIVILEGED PLANET on youtube, and then we'll talk, OK? It is about 2 scientists who came to the conclusion that the layout of the universe was for people on earth to realize it had been 'hand-crafted' (from chemistry to lightwaves to celestial mechanics) so that people would believe on its Creator, and be astounded at things like the precise arrangement of eclipses, etc. You will be offended by the data, but you can't deny their earnestness and loyalty to a personal Creator.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

The creation is 6000 years old, but the 7th millennium isn't for 1000 years, it is eternal.

The 8th Day, that "Great Day", in the Feasts of Israel is called "the new beginning". Circumcision signs it as the cutting off of the multiplying of the Adam seed, for that will be done, for Adam's purpose in being created to bring forth the seed to build up Zion for the glory to indwell [which Adam fell from but the Kinsman/Redeemer came to ransom the seed back, for by cleansing them and adopting them into His New Man name and regenerating their spirit and their flesh.

 

[AmericanChristian91]

God's Word has never changed, and the sun still goes around the globe/tebel called earth

No it doesn't, the Earth and the other planets in our solar system go around the sun. Plenty of evidence to support that.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

No it doesn't, the Earth and the other planets in our solar system go around the sun. Plenty of evidence to support that.

http://galileowaswrong.com/

No, there is no evidence to support that, just false assumptions made by unbelieving men who have rejected the Word of God, who made heaven and earth on day 1 of creation week, in darkness, and said "Let there be light", and there was light, and God saw the light that it was good, and God divided the light from the darkness, and the evening and the morning ="one Day".

Then, on day 2, God stretched out the firmament between the waters/mayim of creation, naming the the firmament "Sha-mayim" ="heavens"

There was no sun and no moon until day 4 of creation week, and God made the sun and the moon to govern the light revolving around the earth in the stretched out heavens: the sun by day and the moon by night.
He made the stars also.

It is from the beginning an electric universe, and the electromagnetic forces God set in place in the beginning control the revolving of the heavens and of the stars and of the sun and moon in those heavens.

There was no heavens stretched out until day 2 of creation week, and until then, the powers which came into being when God said "Let there be light" were right here, with the earth, in the heavens not yet stretched out from the earth between the divided in two waters of creation.

The evening and morning of day 1 of creation week were the beginning of the revolving of the heavens around the globe. But the powers created to uphold that revolving light were not stretched out with the heavens until day 2.

Not only is it an electric universe from the beginning of creation, but the sun, itself, which is electric and which revolves around the earth in its own path in the heavens set by electromagnetic forces which obey the Word of God who made all things, is in fact the place where God created and set His own temple in the heavens; for He says so in many places in the Scriptures, in the original language -but unbelieving men changed His word when they translated to English, because they decided the word of men was greater than the Word of God!

I have a thread on that doctrine from the Word [using the Scruptures] in this forum somewhere, titled "the created temple in the created heavens" -or something like that.

 

[Houly]

Matter is attracted to matter (by the force of gravity). My pen is attracted to the book next to it and to a tree on the other side of the earth and to a speck of dirt on a planet billions of light years away (just with a much much smaller force as you get farther away).

The two opposite forces (F = the sun acting on the earth, and -F = the earth acting on the sun) are equal in magnitude. But the sun is so much more massive (m) that its resulting acceleration (a) is much smaller (F = ma) than the acceleration of the earth due to the sun.

So our 8 planets are said to be revolving around the sun; really, we're revolving around the gravitational center of the solar system (which is close to the center of the sun). Scale out and picture why our sun (along with billions of other stars) is revolving around the gravitational center of the galaxy.

Imagine if our sun just vanished. (Obviously we'd freeze, but) each of the 8 planets of our solar system would keep moving in an almost-straight line (deviating if a massive object came near) until it encountered another object massive enough to "pull" it into an orbit.

Anyway, Isaac Newton showed us why we don't need to argue about what's revolving around what. It's all attracted due to gravity. And btw, Newton was a Christian who spent much of his life studying scripture. In relation to this thread, he did think the second advent of Jesus Christ would be in the 21st century.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

to Yeshua,

Galileo Was Wrong

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Matter is attracted to matter (by the force of gravity). My pen is attracted to the book next to it and to a tree on the other side of the earth and to a speck of dirt on a planet billions of light years away (just with a much much smaller force as you get farther away).

The two opposite forces (F = the sun acting on the earth, and -F = the earth acting on the sun) are equal in magnitude. But the sun is so much more massive (m) that its resulting acceleration (a) is much smaller (F = ma) than the acceleration of the earth due to the sun.

So our 8 planets are said to be revolving around the sun. Scale out and picture why our sun (along with billions of other stars) is revolving around the gravitational center of the galaxy.

Imagine if our sun just vanished. (Obviously we'd freeze, but) each of the 8 planets of our solar system would keep moving in an almost-straight line (deviating if a massive object came near) until it encountered another object massive enough to "pull" it into an orbit.

Earth is not a planet -planet means "wanderer".
Gravity is a weak force and does not really matter. in the cosmos..the Electro-magnetic forces are "atomic" and are obedient to the Creator, keeping the heavens upheld from the earth from which they were stretched out by their currents -"winds" of electro-magnetic powers/forces -the polar attractions set in each of them from the beginning.
They are the pillars of earth and of the heavens, and they obey the voice of God the Word from the beginning.

And the peculiar orbits/paths of the planets =wandering stars- in the heavens control specific seasons and climate events on earth, with the sun and the stars of the powers.

The earth is fixed in place and does not move, spin/rotate, or revolve on a path in the heavens. The heavens were stretched out from this earth on day 2 of creation week -so says the Word of God- and they are stretched out in "stories", the face is the atmosphere where birds fly, as the Word says, and in the third heaven is Paradise, on Mount Eden, where the Tree of Life is in the midst of it and where Adam was taken from the earth below and set, to tend and keep the Garden as God's "rest" for him; and is where Adam got cast down to the earth from at the fall, and is where Jesus is, waiting to take the redeemed back up to, to rule and reign with him over the ransomed kingdom Adam sold into sin and corruption which He has ransomed by His blood poured out on it, beneath the cross, which was the Altar of Atonement signed/oracled, in the Law.

2 Cor 12: 2,4
I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one caught up to the third heaven. ...

How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

Rev 2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

 

[Interplanner]

wow Yeshua, so now the RCC science and eschatology dominate!

 

[yeshuasavedme]

wow Yeshua, so now the RCC science and eschatology dominate!

That is not RCC science-that is Bible science!
So a scientist who happens to be an unapologetic Roman Catholic defends the Scriptures on the geocentric creation -you got a problem with that?

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Where do you see that Abraham was 70 though? All I'm seeing in Genesis 12:1-4, where it says he was 75 when he went to Canaan.

Count backwards from the 430 years when the promise of returning was given. I did that in several prior posts.

And also, corroboration is in the written history book called the "Book of Jasher" =the "Upright Record", which is a redaction of the histories of the patriarchs from Adam to the going into Canaan, with Moses' own history and testament in that book more fully, which he redacts for the Genesis record, but which the Genesis record refers back to for the reader who would know why Miriam was a prophetess and why Moses believed the Israelites would know he was born to be their deliverer and who the Ethiopian wife he married was and why he married her [actually she was of the ancient kingdom called "Cush" but which was the Southern Sudan -I think that was], at that time. There are many other facts of his time of exile from Egypt from age "18" [not age 40 which some erroneous records after the dispersion began to assume because the books were burned by the Babylonians and "lost" at that time to them -actually; God said in Isaiah 28 that he would hide them from them]-=therefore "the Talmud" became an oral history based on some errors and assumptions and is therefore in disagreement with the ancient Hebrew texts in several places .
Also, that record tells of his marrying a second wife descended from Abraham and Keturah =Abraham's third wife- through their son, Midea.
But what is written in the Upright record is corroborated in the Genesis record -you just have to do a lot of adding up of the facts and ages and times to arrive at the true ages of what and when, like the 430 years for instance, from the promise to the Law...and so on.



Abraham went to Haran age 52, to Canaan age 55, returned to Canaan in his seventieth year and at that time, God ratified the Land Covenant and gave the promise. Note: there is a scribal error in that Abram's age is said to be "50" but a few verses down, the correct age is given, as it is in the prior chapter. There are two such scribal errors in the Upright Record which are both self corrected within the text [and the Masoretic text also has such scribal errors and one is not self corrected [the number of horses and etc that Solomon had differs in Kings and Chronicles, for instance], and there are also some places in the Greek NT that totally contradict the Masoretic text on the time the Israelites were in Egypt and the age of Moses when he fled Egypt, which errors came from the oral history written down in error that some Jews believed at that time, but which is contradicted by the Masoretic and other Jewish records}....
But those errors do not those change the message in any way...

Chapter 13
On Abram's account Terah and all his House, with Abram, Leave Ur Casdim to go to the Land of Canaan.
They tarry in Haran, where the Lord Appears to Abram, and upon condition of Faithfulness, Promises many Blessings.
Abram, commanded of the Lord, takes his Wife and all belonging to him and goes to the Land of Canaan, where the Lord again appears to him and Promises the Land of Canaan as an Everlasting Inheritance.
After Fifteen Years, Abram returns to Haran to Visit his Father.
Teaches many to Walk in the Ways of the Lord.
Again commanded to go to Canaan, where he Builds an Altar.
The Lord renews his Covenant with him.

 

[Interplanner]

There is no "Bible" science because knowledge is unified. This is clear from Gen 1. The earth was already 'tohu wa-bohu' when God began creating. That is an indication that something that had structure was chaos, and that a lot of time could be involved. The creating acts probably were very quick, but the setting shows other things going on, which is what the rest of science shows.

Think of the Niagara "clock," for ex. The falls started 12K ago when that layer of rock first started collapsing. You can see that it is 12K ago because at today's rate of flow (there being no indications of other major hydraulic shifts), the falls would have been a certain number of miles away, ie, where we know that soft layer of rock ends next to harder rock. I suppose you could 'miraculize' some of the segments of collapses, but there are many similar indicators all over the world. I live near a national park where the same timestamp (about 12K ago) shows on many things because a deluge of melting glacial water made massive cuts and gashes as glacial lakes burst through rock/soil barriers etc.

It is up to you to watch how 2 scientists became believers by observing things in THE PRIVILEGED PLANET, but it shows that our universe was made specifically for human life now (in this 'window' of 10-20K years) that would have been impossible several thousand ago, even though the materials were there. It is on youtube etc.

So, yes, the earth does move around the sun and spins while doing so. The moon moves around the earth but fixed in its orientation. The Sun system also moves around a center.

Go have a little fun and find an observatory where you actually get to see the rings of Saturn. 1, there are only a few chances, because things are moving (for the same celestial mechanical reasons). 2, it is astounding to be able to actually look inside and see between the rings; it really is 3 dimensional; these are not theories, nor vague concepts. That's how it is to realize God 'has set the planets.'

 

[rockytopva]

This is the timetable that I would put together... I have 7,360 years, which seems to me like a 360 year extension of grace.

I believe that the universe is about 15 billions years old and is the result and in response to Lucifer's rebellion.

If... E = mc2 ... Then m (matter) = E/c2 (energy)

Therefore, for the big boom to have occurred the matter had to have been there before the light and energy (E/c2), as the scripture says...

And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. - Genesis 1:2

I would imagine, with these words... 'Let there be light (Genesis 1:3)', that the earth (the mass) turned into energy and light (E/c2) and expanded out from a point of origin, turning into what solar systems the Father willed it to. So the plasma (E/c2) is actually mass that has changed state.

4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. - Genesis 1:4,5

I believe that 15 billion years took place between Genesis 1:3 and Genesis 1:4. God divided the light and the darkness by putting the earth in orbit around the sun thus creating the first day of the Earth's creation. But... The universe was created 15 billion years (give or take a few billion years) before that.


***So... The 7000 year theory, in my mind, begins after Genesis 1:3***


4300 - 2644 BC - Adam to the great flood: About 1,650 years
2644 - 1730 BC - The Patriarchs - From Noah to Joseph: About 1,000 years
1730 -1450 BC - From Joseph to Moses: So Joesphs bones were in Egypt about 300 years
1450 - 33 AD - The time of the Laws of Moses was about 1500 years.
33 - 66 AD Ephesus – Apostolic – 33 years, not long! “All they which are in Asia be turned away from me…” – II Timothy 1:15
66 - 312 AD - Smyrna – Martyrs – Persecutions ten days… Foxes Book of Martyrs describes ten Roman persecutions. Ended with Constantine
312 - 800 AD - Pergamos – Orthodox – A pyrgos is a fortified structure – Needed for the dark ages.
800-1450 AD Thyatira – Catholic – The Spirit of Jezebel is to persecute, control, and to dominate. Began with Charlemange
1450-1700 AD Sardis – Protestant – A sardius is a gem, elegant yet hard and rigid. Doctrine in the head, little in the heart.
1700-1940 AD Philadelphia – Methodist – To obtain sanctification was to do so with love. Anabaptists -Weslayan -Moravian
1940 - 2060 AD Laodicea – Charismatic – Rich and increased with goods and have need of nothing?
2060 - 3060 AD - The Millennial reign



The time of the horseman runs with the last couple of church ages...

1. White - Democracy - Came about along with the Philadelphian church
2. Red - Communism - Note the red flag, hammer and sickle.
3. Black - Islam - Note the desire to disrupt the global economy.
4. Pale - Anti-Christ - A brief 3.5 year reign.

Isaac Newton picked the 2060 AD end date and I will go along with him with the following disclaimer...

“And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half.” –Daniel 12:7

From a folio cataloged as Yahuda MS 7.3g, f. 13v:

"So then the time times & half a time are 42 months or 1260 days or three years & an half, reckoning twelve months to a year & 30 days to a month as was done in the Calendar of the primitive year. And the days of short lived Beasts being put for the years of lived kingdoms, the period of 1260 days, if dated from the complete conquest of the three kings A.C. 800, will end A.C. 2060.” – Isaac Newton

As Charlemagne was crowned king on December 25, 800 by Pope Leo the III so the day of Christ's coming will be on Christmas Day, 2060. If the rapture of the saints (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17) occurs seven years before the time of Christ’s coming the date of the rapture 12.25 2053. However… Isaac Newton notes…

“It may end later, but I see no reason for its ending sooner. This I mention not to assert when the time of the end shall be, but to put a stop to the rash conjectures of fancifull men who are frequently predicting the time of the end, & by doing so bring the sacred prophesies into discredit as often as their predictions fail. Christ comes as a thief in the night, & it is not for us to know the times & seasons which God hath put into his own breast." –Isaac Newton

 

[Interplanner]

At the creation end, it is a good timeline. There are some indications that 2 Pet 3, he was making a distinction between creation (ktiseos) and 'long ago' (ekpalai) or again, that the heavens existed (esan) while the earth was made out of water and by water (sunestosa), meaning, 'esan' refers to reaching far back in time, and 'sunestosa' is more recent.

Amazing that Newton already had to grieve the fact that people were trying to predict the future and 'pin the date' in his times.

 

[rockytopva]

As Adam was on earth about the time of his sons Enoch's departure... So I wonder if Christ will not abide on earth on up to the time of Laodicea's departure?