The 7000-Year Theory

[Houly]

One detraction from having it all parallel a week ending with a Sabbath is the meaning of the sabbath in Hebrews which is now here; God's rest. After all, the purpose of the old covenant has passed.

Hebrews 4? I think it means there will be a Sabbath rest (in the future) for the people of God, which is when the saints are resurrected for a 1,000-year reign with Jesus Christ.

Therefore, since the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us be careful that none of you be found to have fallen short of it. ... There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God. (Hebrews 4:1)

 

[ViaCrucis]

Early premillennialists included Pseudo-Barnabas, Papias, Methodius, Lactantius, Commodianus Theophilus, Tertullian, Melito, Hippolytus of Rome, and Victorinus of Pettau. Many of these theologians and others in the early church expressed their belief in premillennialism through their acceptance of this sexta-septamillennial tradition. This belief claims that human history will continue for 6,000 years and then will enjoy Sabbath for 1,000 years (the millennial kingdom), thus all of human history will have a total of 7,000 years prior to the new creation.

Millennial Day Theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The main flaw with the theory, however, is that there was plenty of human activity more than 6,000 years ago.

For example Catal Hoyuk, dated to 7,000 to 9,000 years ago. Or the even older Gobleki Tepe which is 11,000 years old.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Houly]

Oh I agree with that.

But using Biblical chronology, we can date Adam to 3968 BC, or at least very near that year. That would be the start of spiritual life and death (the union and disunion of the soul with God by sin and repentance) and the 7,000 years.

 

[keras]

7000 years From the Creation to the Completion of Mankind

Genesis 1:27 Adam was created in 3970BC, 4000 years before 30AD
Gen 5:3 Seth +130, Gen 5:6 Enoch +105, Gen 5:9 Kenan +90, Gen 5:12 Mahalalel +70, Gen 5:15 Jared +65, Gen 5:18 Enoch +162, Gen 5:21 Methuselah +65, Gen 5:25 Lamech +187, Gen 5:28 Noah+182, Gen 6:7 The Flood came when Noah was +600, Gen 11:10 Arpachshad +2 - born to Shem after the flood. Gen 11:12 Selah +35, Gen 11:14 Heber +30, Gen 11:16 Peleg +34, Gen 11:18 Reu +30, Gen 11:20 Serug +32, Gen 11:22 Nahor +30 , Gen 11:24 Terah +29, Gen 11:26 Abram +70. Total years so far = 1948.
Abraham was +99 when the Covenant was made with God.
Galatians 3:17 Paul states that the Torah was given +430 after the Covenant. Total years elapsed until the Exodus – 2477, that is: 1495 BC.

1 Kings 6:1 The Temple dedication, the 4th year of King Solomon +480 since Torah and the Exodus.. Total years so far = 2957
1 Kings 11:42 Solomon 40 minus 4 = +36, 1 Kings 14:21 Rehoboam +17, 1 Kings 15:2 Abijah +3, 2 Chron 16:13 Asa +41, 1 Kings 22:42 Jehoshaphat +25, 2 Kings 8:17 Jehoram +8, 2 Kings 8:26 Ahaziah +1, 2 Kings 11:1-3 Athaliah +6, 2 Kings 12:1-3 Joash +40, 2 Kings 14:1-2 Amaziah +29, 2 Kings 15:1-2 Azariah +52, 2 Kings 15:32 Jotham +16, 2 Kings 16:1-2 Ahaz +16, 2 Kings 18:1-2 Hezekiah +29, 2 Kings 21:1 Manasseh +55, 2 Kings 21:19 Amon +2, 2 Kings 22:1-2 Josiah +31, 2 Kings 22:31 +Jehoahaz +3mths, 2 Kings 23:31 Jehoiakim +11, 2 Kings 24:8 Jehoichin +3mths, 2 Kings 24:18 Zedekiah +11, who ruled until the Babylonian captivity in 586BC.
Total years to the 1st exile of Judah = 3386.5


The date that helps to confirm this timeline, is the commencement of Jesus’ ministry in 30AD. Luke 3:1 states that Jesus was baptized by John ‘in the 15th year of Tiberius’, that was 29/30AD and it fits exactly with 4000 years from Creation, then to fulfil His prophecy in Luke 13:32 I will work for 2 days, [2000 years] then come into My reward’ , that is: His 1000 year reign. Hosea 6:2

586BC + 2012.5AD -1 = 2597.5 years since the known date of the Jewish Exile.
Therefore: 2597.5 + 3386.5 = 5984 years is the present age of mankind.[July 2013]

 

[hiscosmicgoldfish]

The main flaw with the theory, however, is that there was plenty of human activity more than 6,000 years ago.

For example Catal Hoyuk, dated to 7,000 to 9,000 years ago. Or the even older Gobleki Tepe which is 11,000 years old.

-CryptoLutheran

those dates are not hard established fact..

 

[Houly]

those dates are not hard established fact..

Regardless of what was going on before Adam, we know Adam was around 3968 BC, so that would be the start of the 7,000 years.

 

[HannibalFlavius]

The date that helps to confirm this timeline, is the commencement of Jesus’ ministry in 30AD. Luke 3:1 states that Jesus was baptized by John ‘in the 15th year of Tiberius’, that was 29/30AD and it fits exactly with 4000 years from Creation, [July 2013]

The timeline changes when Jesus was found teaching in the Temple as a child presented to the world being lost from his mother for 4 days.

The Passover lamb is hid from the tenth to the 14th being hid for 4 days.

Gen 49 speaks of the Messiah, when Judah drops the scepter it will fall to Shiloh.

This took place in 6 a.d. when Herod Archelaus was deposed by Caesar Augustus.

Rabbi Rachman was then heard wailing saying,'' Woe is us for Judah has dropped the scepter and Messiah has not come.''

But Messiah did come in that year, and the scepter did drop to Jesus.

He was found teaching in the Temple on Passover.

 

[Houly]

The timeline changes when Jesus was found teaching in the Temple as a child presented to the world being lost from his mother for 4 days.

The Passover lamb is hid from the tenth to the 14th being hid for 4 days.

Gen 49 speaks of the Messiah, when Judah drops the scepter it will fall to Shiloh.

This took place in 6 a.d. when Herod Archelaus was deposed by Caesar Augustus.

Rabbi Rachman was then heard wailing saying,'' Woe is us for Judah has dropped the scepter and Messiah has not come.''

But Messiah did come in that year, and the scepter did drop to Jesus.

He was found teaching in the Temple on Passover.

He was 12 when that happened, so you're saying He was crucified in 27/28 AD? I've always thought 33 AD.

 

[hiscosmicgoldfish]

Regardless of what was going on before Adam, we know Adam was around 3968 BC, so that would be the start of the 7,000 years.

I've never been sure if there was something before Adam, perhaps a world of angels.. but Adam was the first man. There seems to have been a 'megalithic culture'.. with technology of some sort, so it remains a mystery, to me.
The thing is, that even the secular world puts aside its evolutionary paradigm sometimes, (forgetting) and uses the biblical people-groups, originating with Noah, people such as Ham, Shem and Japheth.. real people, with real history recorded by the British and others.
Carbon dating is only so good, for a limited history, some thousands of years; those sites in Turkey can't be dated, just estimated as to age.. even if they did find organic material at the site, you cant be sure that it wasn't added later or whatever.

 

[HannibalFlavius]

He was 12 when that happened, so you're saying He was crucified in 27/28 AD? I've always thought 33 AD.

No, I'm not really saying anything for sure.

Its just I consider them when thinking in those terms.

A priest wailing saying,'' Woe is us for Judah has dropped the scepter and Messiah has not come.''

I know that this was said in 6 A.D. and I know it was the first time Judah dropped the scepter.

I just consider while not knowing what everything means.

But I consider that the scepter did fall to Jesus around that time, and around that time was Jesus about 12 and found in the Temple teaching.

The coming of the Messiah and the days of the king is when a man is born who comes to teach the secrets of the kingdom of heaven and the secrets of Torah.

I see him as a child teaching in the Temple presented to the world.

Maybe it is that when he turned 13, it meant something.{BUT he would have been 13 just 6 months later.}

I don't know, I just see the implications of him presented to the world being found in the Temple teaching and doing what he was to do.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

They could be right.
...
. And Israel had spent 430 years in Egypt before the Exodus (Exodus 12:40-41). And Israel entered Egypt when Jacob was 130 (Genesis 47:9). And Jacob was born when his father Isaac was 60 (Genesis 25:26). And Isaac was born when his father Abraham was 100 (Genesis 21:5). And Abraham was born when his father Terah was about 70 (Genesis 11:26). And Terah was born when his father Nahor was 29 (Genesis 11:24). And Nahor was born when his father Serug was 30 (Genesis 11:22). And Serug was born when his father Reu was 32 (Genesis 11:20). And Reu was born when his father Peleg was 30 (Genesis 11:18)....
F.

Israel was not in Egypt 430 years...that is presumed from mis-understanding of the Hebrew but proven from Scripture that the promise itself was given to Abraham at age 70, 430 years before Israel left Egypt.
Gal 3:17 And this I say, [that] the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

Abraham was 70 when he received the promise.
Isaac was born 30 years later
+ 60 years for Jacob's birth
+ Jacob entered Egypt when he was 130
Jochebed, Moses mother born to Levi at the gates of Egypt
Moses born 128 years later, to Jochebed, daughter of Levi
Israel departs Egypt when Moses was 82 years old.
30+ 60+130 = 220 years from promise to entry into Egypt.

Jochebed born to Levi at gates of Egypt and she marries her nephew, Levi's grandson
They have Moses when she is 128 years old
220 =128 =348 years since the promise but only 128 years in Egypt, and most of those were in prosperity, until Joseph died and another Pharaoh arose who did not know Joseph, and gradually, their lives were made "bitter" which is why Miri -am was named "bitter people".
Moses led Israel out 82 years after his birth, so from the promise to the "Law" was 430 years, and Israel was in Egypt 210 years.

 

[keras]

Bothe Hannabel F and YSM make assertions, but without proper scriptural support. The Bible is clear, Genesis 17:1-2, Abraham was 99 when the Covenant was given. It was Terah, Genesis 11:26 who was 70 when he begat Abraham.
The idea that Jesus commenced His ministry at age 12, is unsupportable, as it wasn't until He was baptized and received the Holy Spirit, at age 30 - that is also the age that a Rabbi can start to preach and teach.
Do you disagree with the timeline I put on #24, because it means we have only 17 years left until the Return? God has said we can know His plans, forever arguing over issues and not properly discerning scripture means that we may be taken unawares when, [very soon] things do start to happen.

 

[zeke37]

if u are interested, Bullinger has a great timeline appendix in the Companion Bible
of course it reads a lot better in print, than online, but try it
the third one is easy to follow,
and his opinion differs compared to yours, by 4 years, which is explained

Chronological Charts, and Tables. - Appendix to the Companion Bible
Chronological Charts, and Tables. - Appendix to the Companion Bible
Summary of Principal Events. - Appendix to the Companion Bible

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Bothe Hannabel F and YSM make assertions, but without proper scriptural support.

The Bible was what I gave....did you not read it?
Do the math.
Gal 3:17 And this I say, [that] the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

The Covenant was 430 years before the Law.

When they came out of Egypt the promise was given four hundred thirty years before, as Paul reminds the reader, in Galatians
So, when they went in, Jacob was 130
Isaac was 60 when Jacob was born
130 + 60 =190
Abraham was 100 when
Isaac was born, but the promise was before Isaac was born, and exactly 30 years before, so we have 220 years from the promise to when they went in....
Now Moses was 82 when he led Israel out, and that leaves us with the age of Jochebed when she bore Moses, which is 128.
If you wanted to make Abraham older than his 70 years when he received the promise, then you have to make Moses' mother, the daughter of Levi, that much older when she bore Moses. History records that Jochebed, the daughter of Levi, was born at the gate of Egypt when Levi went in.
Jewish historical writings also record that Jochebed was 128 when she bore Moses, and also records that Abraham was 70 when he received the promise.
So the law that came after the promise was 430 years after the promise, and Israel was then, in Egypt 210 years; and not all of those was in slavery, for as long as Joseph was "king in Egypt", they lived in prosperity.

Israel was not in Egypt 430 years...that is presumed from mis-understanding of the Hebrew but proven from Scripture that the promise itself was given to Abraham at age 70, 430 years before Israel left Egypt.
Gal 3:17 And this I say, [that] the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

Abraham was 70 when he received the promise.
Isaac was born 30 years later
+ 60 years for Jacob's birth
+ Jacob entered Egypt when he was 130
Jochebed, Moses mother born to Levi at the gates of Egypt
Moses born 128 years later, to Jochebed, daughter of Levi
Israel departs Egypt when Moses was 82 years old.
30+ 60+130 = 220 years from promise to entry into Egypt.

Jochebed born to Levi at gates of Egypt and she marries her nephew, Levi's grandson
They have Moses when she is 128 years old
220 =128 =348 years since the promise but only 128 years in Egypt, and most of those were in prosperity, until Joseph died and another Pharaoh arose who did not know Joseph, and gradually, their lives were made "bitter" which is why Miri -am was named "bitter people".
Moses led Israel out 82 years after his birth, so from the promise to the "Law" was 430 years, and Israel was in Egypt 210 years.

As to when the Sabbath millennium begins, it begins with "evening/night", not "morning/Day", and that night begins with the removal of the "Light" of the glory that was given to the Church on earth at Pentecost, and will depart with the Church at the rapture -then the night comes.

 

[ViaCrucis]

those dates are not hard established fact..

It's an undeniable fact that human beings have been around a lot longer than six thousand years. Modern human beings (specifically Homo sapiens sapiens) evolved in Africa about 200,000 years ago. Genetic markers show a common lineage to around this time. Of course the hominid line goes back much further than that, but this is about the time anatomically modern humans show up in the material record.

So, just as a matter of course, the week-age theory doesn't work unless one wants to assign an arbitrary point about six thousand years ago, but there's no good reason to do so. But even as a matter of pure biblical exegesis it's a rather empty theory.

Our Lord's Parousia could happen tomorrow, or it could happen ten thousand years after tomorrow; in either case it's not ours to know or to speculate about but to trust and believe in.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[HannibalFlavius]

Bothe Hannabel F and YSM make assertions, but without proper scriptural support. The Bible is clear, Genesis 17:1-2, Abraham was 99 when the Covenant was given. It was Terah, Genesis 11:26 who was 70 when he begat Abraham.
The idea that Jesus commenced His ministry at age 12, is unsupportable, as it wasn't until He was baptized and received the Holy Spirit, at age 30 - that is also the age that a Rabbi can start to preach and teach.
Do you disagree with the timeline I put on #24, because it means we have only 17 years left until the Return? God has said we can know His plans, forever arguing over issues and not properly discerning scripture means that we may be taken unawares when, [very soon] things do start to happen.

The idea that Jesus started his ministry at age 12 is a fact. This I mean that the scepter had to fall to the Messiah around 6 A.D. or there is no Messiah. The Prophecy of Shiloh HAD to be fulfilled meaning that something had to fall to Jesus about that time.

He was found teaching in the temple, so I don't know what you mean.

There is no certain timelines for any of this stuff though. It is all guessing.

Something else also, Jesus was not 30 when it said he was around 30.

It had to be said that he was 30 for a reason but his age cannot be asserted as fact.

 

[Houly]

So, just as a matter of course, the week-age theory doesn't work unless one wants to assign an arbitrary point about six thousand years ago, but there's no good reason to do so.

Adam was created in 3968 BC. You reach that date with simple biblical chronology. That's not some arbitrary point. That's the creation of Adam.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Adam was created in 3968 BC. That's not some arbitrary point. That's the creation of Adam, and the start of the Bible.

So you keep saying.

But I've yet to see you provide a reasonable explanation for saying it.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Houly]

So you keep saying.

But I've yet to see you provide a reasonable explanation for saying it.

-CryptoLutheran

For 3968 BC? That's just the chronology from scripture.

I've written a book about it here: Timelines. Book 1 of the Path of Man series.

 

[Houly]

Keras explained it all a couple posts ago. You start by just adding up the ages of the generations in Genesis.