The 10 weeks of Enoch, inspired or not?

yeshuasavedme · Oct 16, 2017

JIMINZ said:
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You want Proof, well here's Proof.

The Book of Enoch was not included in the Canon of the Bible in 381 AD. and it still isn't in the Bible today, because it was not Inspired as the other 66 Books were.

That is the only Proof which matters.

Enoch was used as always, by believers in the Gospel and by scholarly Jews, before some men decided to sit in the seat of God over men's minds and tell them what to read and not to read...., but the Ethiopian Church had Enoch, having been started by Jews in Ethiopia who heard the Gospel and who did not get rid of their sacred books. They did not come under Rome, on what to toss out and not to have in their Bible [which word means collection of books].

yeshuasavedme · Oct 16, 2017

On the OP, there is a stop in the ten weeks after Jesus ascends, and they do not start again until the Church age is ended with the rapture....more on that later. Basically, the weeks of Enoch in this parable are 700 years long, each, and there are ten of them, but they overlap into the regeneration of all things, after the Sabbath Millennium...
The Church age is a "stop" time for those weeks, and they pertain to Israel, and the signs of the Living Oracles and of those "weeks", belong to Israel, the sign nation, until every oracle of them is complete.

JIMINZ · Oct 16, 2017

friend of said:
You guys also have to realize that there is an insidious disinformation agenda in the works today that is foisted by the internet. The narrative of '"truth" is stranger than fiction' is an ever-perpetual mechanism of skepticism of what is already known.

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Forgive me, but I do not understand what it is you are referring to with this, what does it mean?

friend of · Oct 16, 2017

yeshuasavedme said:
You mistake "God breathed" for "man taking the place of the Holy Spirit, and by consensus, making lists that change with the winds of politics in their churches".

You're undermining God's capacity to preserve His word.

We're talking God's capacity here.

JIMINZ · Oct 16, 2017

yeshuasavedme said:
You mistake "God breathed" for "man taking the place of the Holy Spirit, and by consensus, making lists that change with the winds of politics in their churches".

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And the 66 books in the Canon have been changed how many times in the last 1636 years?

YHWH_will_uplift · Oct 16, 2017

JIMINZ said:
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And the 66 books in the Canon have been changed how many time in the last 1636 years?

Funny thing is before our canon the new testament never existed in writing during the time of Jesus. They only had Jewish canon.

JIMINZ · Oct 16, 2017

YHWH_will_uplift said:
Funny thing is before our canon the new testament never existed in writing during the time of Jesus. They only had Jewish canon.

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WOW!
That is sooooo profound.

Are you telling me, we never had a Canon of the New Testament, until we had a Canon of the New Testament, not even Jesus had one, Really?

Well, the following is for your reading enjoyment.

Jewish Canon

Genesis

Exodus

Leviticus

Numbers

Deuteronomy

The Eight Books of the Prophets (Neviim)

Joshua

Judges

Samuel

Kings

Isaiah

Jeremiah

Ezekial

The Twelve (minor prophets) Trei-Assar

The Eleven Books of the Writings (Kesuvim)

Psalms – Tehilim

Proverbs – Mishlei

Job – Iyov

Song of Songs – Shir HaShirim

Ruth – Rus

Lamentations – Eicha

Ecclesiastes – Koheles

Esther

Daniel – Doniel

Ezra/Nehemia

Chronicles – Divrei Hayamim

Where in this list is the Book of Enoch?
It would appear as though the Jews didn't feel it was Authentic or Inspired either.....Oh except the Ethiopians, and the Esseens.

Well that's it for me, I won't be responding to anything in this thread from now on, believe it or not, your getting more ridiculous with ever new post.

Talk among yourselves, I'm sure you have a lot to say.

JacksBratt · Oct 16, 2017

YHWH_will_uplift said:
Who said that?

It's a very interesting story... just google anything about Ron Wyatt.

JacksBratt · Oct 16, 2017

friend of said:
Fair enough. Would you consider the Apocrypha to be deuterocannonical? As a protestant, I do not.

What in the world is "deuterocannonical" in real people words?

JoeP222w · Oct 16, 2017

Simple answer, the canon of Scripture is closed and it was closed long before the Gnostic book of Enoch came out. The book of Enoch was never accepted as part of the canon and does not pass the 3 tests of canonicity: it is not apostolic (it was not written by an apostle), it is not not orthodox (it disagrees with other scripture), and it is not catholic (catholic as in universally accepted by believers in Jesus Christ, not Roman Catholic).

The book of Enoch is essentially nonsense.

Vicomte13 · Oct 16, 2017

LittleLambofJesus said:
This of course has caused many to wonder why it is not included in modern Bibles...

It is. Enoch is part of the Canon of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, and always has been going back nearly 2000 years.

brinny · Oct 16, 2017

Vicomte13 said:
It is. Enoch is part of the Canon of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, and always has been going back nearly 2000 years.

Is it inspired by the living God?

I have more questions, however i'll hold off asking them till after you respond to the above question.

Thank you kindly, Vicomte.

JacksBratt · Oct 16, 2017

JoeP222w said:
Simple answer, the canon of Scripture is closed and it was closed long before the Gnostic book of Enoch came out. The book of Enoch was never accepted as part of the canon and does not pass the 3 tests of canonicity: it is not apostolic (it was not written by an apostle), it is not not orthodox (it disagrees with other scripture), and it is not catholic (catholic as in universally accepted by believers in Jesus Christ, not Roman Catholic).

The book of Enoch is essentially nonsense.

Have you read it?

YHWH_will_uplift · Oct 16, 2017

JoeP222w said:
Simple answer, the canon of Scripture is closed and it was closed long before the Gnostic book of Enoch came out. The book of Enoch was never accepted as part of the canon and does not pass the 3 tests of canonicity: it is not apostolic (it was not written by an apostle), it is not not orthodox (it disagrees with other scripture), and it is not catholic (catholic as in universally accepted by believers in Jesus Christ, not Roman Catholic).

The book of Enoch is essentially nonsense.

That's got to be the most stupid reasoning I've heard lol! Of course Enoch was not an apostle...nor was Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joshua, the prophets...
Gnostic? Have you ever bothered to read any of the Gnostic works yourself? I did and I almost vomited reading through them. Enoch does not read like a Gnostic work. If anything 2 and 3 Enoch read more like them.
Point out where 1 Enoch contradicts scripture.

YHWH_will_uplift · Oct 16, 2017

JacksBratt said:
It's a very interesting story... just google anything about Ron Wyatt.

Ugh...I almost believed Ron Wyatt but, unfortunately I could not...his findings were too shrouded in mystery.

YHWH_will_uplift · Oct 16, 2017

JacksBratt said:
What in the world is "deuterocannonical" in real people words?

It literally means second canon while apocryphal literally means that which is hidden.

JoeP222w · Oct 16, 2017

JacksBratt said:
Have you read it?

Yes.

yeshuasavedme · Oct 16, 2017

Your use of God's "Capacity" is not relevant to man's ideas of changing with the winds, rulers, and denominations' their doctrines of "canon".

yeshuasavedme · Oct 16, 2017

JIMINZ said:
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And the 66 books in the Canon have been changed how many times in the last 1636 years?

HA! There were no 66 books of "canon" until after some guy decided it in the very late 19th century....too bad you follow the Archbishop of Cantubury on that....and that is why the KJV Bible printers in England began to leave the other books out....
So the printers and the head of the Church of England became your "pope" on what you should read!
The Geneva Bible brought to the Americas by early Mayflower settlers includes all the books left out from the early 20th century printed KJV Bibles.
The 1611 KJV AV included the same books as the Geneva Bible. Not until the beginning of the 20th century did publishers begin to drop their printed KJV bibles to "66" books.
Go read and learn the truth for yourself, instead of just following -like a blinded person- those who made such decisions as politics of power determined...

YHWH_will_uplift · Oct 16, 2017

JoeP222w said:
Simple answer, the canon of Scripture is closed and it was closed long before the Gnostic book of Enoch came out. The book of Enoch was never accepted as part of the canon and does not pass the 3 tests of canonicity: it is not apostolic (it was not written by an apostle), it is not not orthodox (it disagrees with other scripture), and it is not catholic (catholic as in universally accepted by believers in Jesus Christ, not Roman Catholic).

The book of Enoch is essentially nonsense.

You may as well throw out the old testament because none of the apostles wrote those. They are also not accepted completely by mainstream Christianity. And they sure don't agree with the self proclaimed orthodoxy (literally 'Right opinion') of men who don't believe the law needs to be followed as handed down by Moses.

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