The 10 weeks of Enoch, inspired or not?

[brinny]

Well, that's just it. One source for Enoch 7 has them at 3000 ells. That's between 3000 and 9000 feet. Another has it as 300 cubits...a more modest 500 feet. There's no record of any animal anywhere close to that. The tallest of all trees can't grow past about 390 feet because the water can't rise any higher by osmotic force.

Dinosaurs as nephilim is possible. 9000 foot tall giants? Nah.

LOL! How tall IS that? Would'n that be reaching the outer atmosphere?

 

[JacksBratt]

Hasn't he been accused of being a con-man?

I never heard that. Maybe he was by people that were jealous of his finds... The list is: Probable site of Noah's ark, place, on both shores, of the sites of the crossing of the Red Sea, including photos of chariots under water and two pillars that mark the locations on each shore, Sodom and Gomorrah site, site of Jericho, site of the crucifixion, site of Golgotha also know as the skull, Jesus tomb, actually located the ark of the covenant and sample of Jesus blood that flowed through a crack in the rock below the cross, down through into the hidden chamber where the ark was located. Think about it... Jesus shed blood, on the cross, flows down through the rock onto the ark..... Jesus... the sacrificial Lamb of God's blood, anoints the ark of the covenant as the final sacrifice....You cannot make this stuff up.... truth is stranger than fiction.

 

[brinny]

I never heard that. Maybe he was by people that were jealous of his finds... The list is: Probable site of Noah's ark, place, on both shores, of the sites of the crossing of the Red Sea, including photos of chariots under water and two pillars that mark the locations on each shore, Sodom and Gomorrah site, site of Jericho, site of the crucifixion, site of Golgotha also know as the skull, Jesus tomb, actually located the ark of the covenant and sample of Jesus blood that flowed through a crack in the rock below the cross, down through into the hidden chamber where the ark was located. Think about it... Jesus shed blood, on the cross, flows down through the rock onto the ark..... Jesus... the sacrificial Lamb of God's blood, anoints the ark of the covenant as the final sacrifice....You cannot make this stuff up.... truth is stranger than fiction.

There are lots of allegations of fraud and him being a con-man.

Other than that, i'm not familiar with him.

 

[brinny]

@Vicomte13 regarding 9000 feet, this gives a general idea of approximately how high that is:

Highlining Between 9,000-Foot-Tall Mountain Peaks Takes a Special Kind of Courage

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

3750 foot tall giants, for starters. This seems unlikely.

No less strange than being hung on a gallows 75 ft high, almost 8 stories.....

Esther 5:14 Then said Zeresh his wife and all his friends unto him, "Let a gallows be made of fifty cubits[75ft] high, and tomorrow speak thou unto the king that Mordecai may be hanged thereon: then go thou in merrily with the king unto the banquet".
And the thing pleased Haman; and he caused the gallows to be made.

Esther 7:10 So they hanged Haman on the gallows that he had prepared for Mordecai. Then was the king's wrath pacified.

Esther 9:25 But when Esther came before the king, he commanded by letters that his wicked device, which he devised against the Jews, should return upon his own head,
and that he and his sons should be hanged on the gallows.

 

[friend of]

Jesus tomb, actually located the ark of the covenant and sample of Jesus blood that flowed through a crack in the rock below the cross, down through into the hidden chamber where the ark was located. Think about it... Jesus shed blood, on the cross, flows down through the rock onto the ark..... Jesus... the sacrificial Lamb of God's blood, anoints the ark of the covenant as the final sacrifice....You cannot make this stuff up.... truth is stranger than fiction.

Yes, this is something I read about that I had mentioned earlier in this thread.

Doesn't matter if it happened this way or where the Ark is located now, which has no bearing on anything. The New Testament is in effect with the death of the testator (Jesus).

 

[friend of]

Your use of God's "Capacity" is not relevant to man's ideas of changing with the winds, rulers, and denominations' their doctrines of "canon".

If God wanted His word to include Enoch there would be no dispute. Your entire outlook lacks faith in His providence if you think men can undo what God ordains his word to be to us today.

 

[Vicomte13]

No less strange than being hung on a gallows 75 ft high, almost 8 stories.....

Esther 5:14 Then said Zeresh his wife and all his friends unto him, "Let a gallows be made of fifty cubits[75ft] high, and tomorrow speak thou unto the king that Mordecai may be hanged thereon: then go thou in merrily with the king unto the banquet".
And the thing pleased Haman; and he caused the gallows to be made.

Esther 7:10 So they hanged Haman on the gallows that he had prepared for Mordecai. Then was the king's wrath pacified.

Esther 9:25 But when Esther came before the king, he commanded by letters that his wicked device, which he devised against the Jews, should return upon his own head,
and that he and his sons should be hanged on the gallows.

Much stranger. There are 100 ft high buildings all over the ancient world. A high gibbet can be seen by all, and a reviled victim can thus be displayed in death as a warning to a whole city. But a two-mile tall biological creature? It doesn't seem likely at all.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Thas

LOL! How tall IS that? Would'n that be reaching the outer atmosphere?

That is a single translator's decision, which decision differs from another translator, who said three hundred cubits. there is a third translator who also said three thousand, but you would have to go see who wrote first, and who was following whom...
As to three hundred cubits, that is not unbelievable, preflood, and also after the flood, when other angels did fall and do the same, the Anakim born of Anak were so tall the twelve spies said this:
And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.
Now, how many "grasshoppers" tall is an average human being? -That is what the spies said they were like, in comparison.

The Parallel Book of Enoch

 

[yeshuasavedme]

If God wanted His word to include Enoch there would be no dispute. Your entire outlook lacks faith in His providence if you think men can undo what God ordains his word to be to us today.

You are calling men God, who are not God.
God wanted Enoch written, and Enoch wrote it.
Enoch wrote it for all the generations of the world, under direct command of God the Word, and especially for those living in the tribulation, who will not get raptured, pre trib [Enoch 50 tells about that], and believe in His name and repent when they see those changed to glory ascending, and are faithful to the end of the tribulation, or else become martyrs. Enoch 50

 

[friend of]

You are calling men God, who are not God.

I don't have a clue why you would think this. Believing that scripture is divinely inspired means that I believe God wrote the bible through prophets and peoples and that it says what He intended it to say. To believe the Bible, word of God, is not divinely inspired or errant due to God utilizing humans to write it is heresy.

God wanted Enoch written, and Enoch wrote it.

Proponents of Enoch have no proof that Enoch himself wrote it. If God wanted Enoch included there would be zero dispute on the subject today. The fact that there is vigorous debate, as evidenced by this single thread, is enough to safely conclude that Enoch is not divinely inspired scripture.

and believe in His name and repent when they see those changed to glory ascending, and are faithful to the end of the tribulation, or else become martyrs. Enoch 50

This message is, by no means, in no way, property of the dubious "Enoch" text in question.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

I don't have a clue why you would think this. Believing that scripture is divinely inspired means that I believe God wrote the bible through prophets and peoples and that it says what He intended it to say. To believe the Bible, word of God, is not divinely inspired or errant due to God utilizing humans to write it is heresy.



Proponents of Enoch have no proof that Enoch himself wrote it. If God wanted Enoch included there would be zero dispute on the subject today. The fact that there is vigorous debate, as evidenced by this single thread, is enough to safely conclude that Enoch is not divinely inspired scripture.



This message is, by no means, in no way, property of the dubious "Enoch" text in question.

Of course God inspired the prophets to write what He wanted. Enoch is a prophet, Jesus' womb brother, Jude, writes that Enoch is the prophet who wrote Enoch. Jude, under inspiration, quotes from "Enoch the prophet, the seventh from Adam".
Fallible men who are not prophets have no authority from the Holy Spirit to throw out Enoch. Those are the men you are making as if they are God, to deny the authority of the Holy Spirit in Jude, the womb brother of Jesus, who writes under authority of the Holy Spirit that Enoch the prophet, the seventh from Adam, indeed wrote the Book of Enoch.

And BTW: Enoch Indeed writes the parable of the pre tribe rapture, in Enoch chapter 50, and states in the opening of His book that it is written for those who will be living in the days of the tribulation of the last days, which Enoch calls the second consummation of sin on earth. He wrote of the flood as the first consummation of sin on earth.

 

[friend of]

Jude, under inspiration, quotes from "Enoch the prophet, the seventh from Adam".

Are you referring to Jude 1:14-15 specifically? Mention is made in this passage of Enoch prophesying.

14 Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about them: “See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones
15 to judge everyone, and to convict all of them of all the ungodly acts they have committed in their ungodliness, and of all the defiant words ungodly sinners have spoken against him.”

The note at the bottom in reference to this text reads: *14,15 from the Jewish First book of Enoch (circa approximately first century BCE)

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Okay, now you have my attention. State your case the floor is yours.

 

[MyGivenNameIsKeith]

Here is the quote from the epistle of Jude concerning the prophecy of Enoch:.

Jde 1:

4 For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into lewdness and deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ.

14 Now Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men also, saying, “Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of His saints,
15 “to execute judgment on all, to convict all who are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have committed in an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.”

I thought I would make a thread based mainly on the 10 week prophecy mentioned in that book, but also any other verses from the Bible concerning his prophecy.

For info, this site shows those weeks, along with it's interpretation of those weeks.
Thanks to those who respond and please vote.......

Enoch. The prophecy of the 10 weeks

3. And Enoch began to recount from the books and said;
I was born the seventh in the first week,
While judgement and righteousness still endured.
4. And after me there shall arise in the second week great wickedness,
And deceit shall have sprung up;
And in it there shall be the first end. And in it a man shall be saved;
And after it is ended unrighteousness shall grow up;
And a law shall be made for the sinners.
5. And after that in the third week at it’s close
A man shall be elected as the plant of righteous Judgement.
And his posterity shall become the plant of righteousness for evermore.
6. And after that in the fourth week, at it’s close,
Visions of the holy and righteous shall be seen.
And a law for all generations and an enclosure shall be made for them.
7. And after that in the fifth week, at it’s close,
The house of glory and dominion shall be built for ever.
8. And after that in the sixth week all who live in it shall be blinded,
And the hearts of all of them shall godlessly forsake wisdom.
And in it a man shall ascend; and at it’s close the house of dominion shall be burnt with fire,
And the race of the chosen root shall be dispersed.
9. And after that in the seventh week shall an apostate generation arise,
and many shall be it’s deeds, And all it’s deed shall be apostate.
10. And at it’s close shall be elected The elect righteous of the eternal plant of righteousness,
To receive sevenfold instruction concerning all His creation.

12. And after that there shall be another, the eighth week, that of righteousness,
And a sword shall be given to it that a righteous Judgement may be executed on the oppressors,
And the sinners shall be delivered into the hands of the righteous.
13. And at it’s close they shall acquire houses through their righteousness,
And a house shall be built for the Great King in glory for evermore,
And all mankind shall look to the path of uprightness.
14. And after that in the ninth week, the righteous judgment
shall be revealed to the whole world,
And all the works of the godless shall vanish from all the earth.
And the world shall be written down for destruction.
15. And after this, in the tenth week in the seventh part,
There shall be the great eternal judgement, in which
He will execute vengeance amongst the angels.
16. And the first heaven shall depart and pass away,
and a new heaven shall appear, and all the powers of the heavens shall give sevenfold light.
17. And after that there will be many weeks without number forever.

This is the end of the Apocalypse of the ten weeks.
As you can see, like all the prophecies of God it is coming to pass exactly as it was supposed to. God is still in charge. Here we have yet another word from God that this is the time all the world has been waiting for. .......................

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Although Jude quotes Enoch as having prophesied that the Lord would come with ten thousands of his saints, it in no way reflects credibility to a work which was falsely attributed to Enoch, titled the Book of Enoch. The original authorship of such works were attributed to Jewish fables and myths and scriptures mention. At the point it was penned, midrash (an expansion of) was starting to be prominent and people really delved into genealogies, who did what, and all that. Extrapolated and filled in things as they deduced what they thought to be true. As it is scriptures (Jude- the tag which coincidentally was during the Holocaust, German for Jew), the quote is accurate that Enoch indeed did prophesy this very thing. However, midrash is not scripture as stated before. There are other works quoted in scriptures that are not the word of God like Epimedes, for example. Jude saw fit to use the example of some crept in unawares... to illustrate the point, not give credence to its validity. As far as the content of the book, more or less, one can only conjecture that the book of Enoch was to portray knowledge as people saw fit, and what the natural man knew, which as we know is not spiritual. The midrash being of Deuteronomy 33:2, stated by Moses, concerning ten thousands of his saints. A tradition passed to him by his fathers starting at Enoch. Preserved as authored by Enoch in the book of Jude. Also, being as the scriptures show that Enoch and Elijah are taken up, never seeing death, one can only surmise that they are the two end time prophets, and when you attribute a work to an end time prophet, many are led astray and follow things which they knew not. Even refusing the things which they were taught from their youth. Also, if you follow the work closely and break it down like scriptures, it falls apart, which coincidentally is the shape of it today...it is only in fragments. The word of God never passes away. Ask yourself why you are reading outside of the bible in the first place and you will find your answer.

 

[JIMINZ]

Although Jude quotes Enoch as having prophesied that the Lord would come with ten thousands of his saints, it in no way reflects credibility to a work which was falsely attributed to Enoch, titled the Book of Enoch. The original authorship of such works were attributed to Jewish fables and myths and scriptures mention. At the point it was penned, midrash (an expansion of) was starting to be prominent and people really delved into genealogies, who did what, and all that. Extrapolated and filled in things as they deduced what they thought to be true. As it is scriptures (Jude- the tag which coincidentally was during the Holocaust, German for Jew), the quote is accurate that Enoch indeed did prophesy this very thing. However, midrash is not scripture as stated before. There are other works quoted in scriptures that are not the word of God like Epimedes, for example. Jude saw fit to use the example of some crept in unawares... to illustrate the point, not give credence to its validity. As far as the content of the book, more or less, one can only conjecture that the book of Enoch was to portray knowledge as people saw fit, and what the natural man knew, which as we know is not spiritual. The midrash being of Deuteronomy 33:2, stated by Moses, concerning ten thousands of his saints. A tradition passed to him by his fathers starting at Enoch. Preserved as authored by Enoch in the book of Jude. Also, being as the scriptures show that Enoch and Elijah are taken up, never seeing death, one can only surmise that they are the two end time prophets, and when you attribute a work to an end time prophet, many are led astray and follow things which they knew not. Even refusing the things which they were taught from their youth. Also, if you follow the work closely and break it down like scriptures, it falls apart, which coincidentally is the shape of it today...it is only in fragments. The word of God never passes away. Ask yourself why you are reading outside of the bible in the first place and you will find your answer.

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Well said, AMEN

 

[Vicomte13]

the womb brother of Jesus,

Mary had no other children.

 

[JacksBratt]

There are lots of allegations of fraud and him being a con-man.

Other than that, i'm not familiar with him.

If he was a "con man" he was a very poor one. Funding his own excursions and living as a middle class man of humble means... Not to mention that you haven't heard of him, which, to me, speaks to his humbleness and non-fame seeking attitude.

Not to mention his solid foundation as a man of God.

Let me ask you..... are these the attributes of a con man?

Also, let me ask you this.... would not the well funded, agenda driven archaeologists, whom Ron Wyatt showed up by locating things that they, supposedly could not,... would they not want to paint him as a con man... if not to ease their shame for being showed up by him then to discredit his work due to it being the real truth and not that of a Darwinian funded, fake history????

 

[JacksBratt]

Yes, this is something I read about that I had mentioned earlier in this thread.

Doesn't matter if it happened this way or where the Ark is located now, which has no bearing on anything. The New Testament is in effect with the death of the testator (Jesus).

Oh, but I disagree.... as to how it happened and where the Ark is located now.

The state of Israel is now in possession of it. As history unfolds, this will be a very pointed fact that coincides with the testament that Christ has initiated and how it all fits into the book of Revelations.

 

[JacksBratt]

Mary had no other children.

Another lie of the RCC..

Do you actually think that Joseph married Mary, accepted her pregnancy and did not go public with it, married her and spent the rest of his days celibate?

Seriously, he could have just got himself a housekeeper......

Men in those days needed a wife to provide children in order to carry on the family business and look after them in their elder years. Being a man or woman, in your later years, without support of family, was a terrible life.

It is well documented, also, that this was Josephs second marriage, or that, at the most basic fact, Joseph was older than Mary. He was not marrying her so he could have someone cook and clean for him.

Why the RCC holds so tight to this perpetual virginity of Mary is so anti biblical and does great harm to the truth of the word of God.

 

[StevenBelievin]

My friend, yes, Enoch, the man of God who walked with God to the extent that God "took him" was indeed real, and did not die, but was "taken" by God.

The question is, did he write the book of enoch?

Secondarlily, WOULD he write something like the book of enoch?

I would have to say that the only part that really spoils it for me is when Enoch is led into the glories of the heavens and he is told that it is he (Enoch) who is the Son of Man, when we all know that Jesus is the Son of Man. Other than that, the prophecies of the Son of Man seem to line up pretty well with Jesus. Also I am positive that Jesus and His followers were not only aware of Enoch, but familiar with the texts. Jude quotes Enoch in his epistle. I believe there were a lot of people in the first century who did believe it was inspired and God's word. Jude probably did, but I am a little hesitant to add the apostles to that number without more evidence.