The 10 weeks of Enoch, inspired or not?

YHWH_will_uplift · Oct 15, 2017

I'm not sure how the OP felt when reading 1 Enoch for the first time but, I felt scared to know what I would find. As I read it I felt like I was transported to a remote part of history. Actually when me and my wife read it together we spent days and weeks making sure that the content we were reading did not betray our current canon. Boy that was an amazing time...now I could never imagine reading the Bible without 1 Enoch or any of the other apocryphal and deuterocanonical books.

One Of The Elect · Oct 15, 2017

LittleLambofJesus said:
Here is the quote from the epistle of Jude concerning the prophecy of Enoch:.

Jde 1:

4 For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into lewdness and deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ.

14 Now Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men also, saying, “Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of His saints,
15 “to execute judgment on all, to convict all who are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have committed in an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.”

I thought I would make a thread based mainly on the 10 week prophecy mentioned in that book, but also any other verses from the Bible concerning his prophecy.

For info, this site shows those weeks, along with it's interpretation of those weeks.
Thanks to those who respond and please vote.......

Enoch. The prophecy of the 10 weeks

3. And Enoch began to recount from the books and said;
I was born the seventh in the first week,
While judgement and righteousness still endured.
4. And after me there shall arise in the second week great wickedness,
And deceit shall have sprung up;
And in it there shall be the first end. And in it a man shall be saved;
And after it is ended unrighteousness shall grow up;
And a law shall be made for the sinners.
5. And after that in the third week at it’s close
A man shall be elected as the plant of righteous Judgement.
And his posterity shall become the plant of righteousness for evermore.
6. And after that in the fourth week, at it’s close,
Visions of the holy and righteous shall be seen.
And a law for all generations and an enclosure shall be made for them.
7. And after that in the fifth week, at it’s close,
The house of glory and dominion shall be built for ever.
8. And after that in the sixth week all who live in it shall be blinded,
And the hearts of all of them shall godlessly forsake wisdom.
And in it a man shall ascend; and at it’s close the house of dominion shall be burnt with fire,
And the race of the chosen root shall be dispersed.
9. And after that in the seventh week shall an apostate generation arise,
and many shall be it’s deeds, And all it’s deed shall be apostate.
10. And at it’s close shall be elected The elect righteous of the eternal plant of righteousness,
To receive sevenfold instruction concerning all His creation.

12. And after that there shall be another, the eighth week, that of righteousness,
And a sword shall be given to it that a righteous Judgement may be executed on the oppressors,
And the sinners shall be delivered into the hands of the righteous.
13. And at it’s close they shall acquire houses through their righteousness,
And a house shall be built for the Great King in glory for evermore,
And all mankind shall look to the path of uprightness.
14. And after that in the ninth week, the righteous judgment
shall be revealed to the whole world,
And all the works of the godless shall vanish from all the earth.
And the world shall be written down for destruction.
15. And after this, in the tenth week in the seventh part,
There shall be the great eternal judgement, in which
He will execute vengeance amongst the angels.
16. And the first heaven shall depart and pass away,
and a new heaven shall appear, and all the powers of the heavens shall give sevenfold light.
17. And after that there will be many weeks without number forever.

This is the end of the Apocalypse of the ten weeks.
As you can see, like all the prophecies of God it is coming to pass exactly as it was supposed to. God is still in charge. Here we have yet another word from God that this is the time all the world has been waiting for. .......................

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I agree with you. I love Enoch, God purposed greatness in him. God has put it upon your heart to share this. Thank you , God Bless.

Jipsah · Oct 15, 2017

JIMINZ said:
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My belief is, the entire Bible was Inspired by God.
Therefore if the Books themselves were Inspired, then also were the very words within those books.
I do not believe God left anything to chance, concerning what He wanted man to receive as His Word.

Sounds good. May we assume, then, that the parts of "Enoch" that are important are those included in canonical Scripture, and those not included are not? If so, then we are in agreement.

I have to understand, at the time of the writing of the Book of Enoch, he had an Alphabet, a written language, the implements to write with, (Pen, Ink, Paper), beside that, the Book itself which would have had to survive until it was (Found / Discovered).

Who Translated the Book of Enoch into the Hebrew Language, where was the Book found and by whom?
These are just questions I ask myself before I begin believing the Book solely because it has Enoch's name on it.

Good points. Where was "Enoch", and in what form, until it surfaced some centuries after the presumed author had left?

friend of · Oct 15, 2017

If God wanted the Book of Enoch in the Bible it would have been in the Bible, especially when you consider that Enoch pleased God so much that God special-raptured him to avoid Enoch tasting death.

Another view is that the Book of Enoch is a book that could only be understood in these later days, and that is why it is being read and interpreted now.

I haven't read it but I wouldn't be averse to it, but I would go in with the mindset of treating it as the Apocrypha.

YHWH_will_uplift · Oct 15, 2017

How many people have read 1 Enoch for themselves before vomiting foolishness? It is folly and a shame when one judges a matter before hearing it out to the end.

GUANO · Oct 15, 2017

Enoch definitely did not write it but I would still consider it inspired---perhaps not "authoratative". Jesus quotes the book of Enoch multiple times and the book has more prophecies about the coming of the kingdom of God than any other. Multiple sections had multiple authors and much of the book is about babylonian demonology.

YHWH_will_uplift · Oct 15, 2017

GUANO said:
Enoch definitely did not write it but I would still consider it inspired---perhaps not "authoratative". Jesus quotes the book of Enoch multiple times and the book has more prophecies about the coming of the kingdom of God than any other. Multiple sections had multiple authors and much of the book is about babylonian demonology.

Care to cite your sources?

GUANO · Oct 15, 2017

YHWH_will_uplift said:
Care to cite your sources?

On which point?

toLiJC · Oct 15, 2017

LittleLambofJesus said:
Here is the quote from the epistle of Jude concerning the prophecy of Enoch:.

Jde 1:

4 For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into lewdness and deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ.

14 Now Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men also, saying, “Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of His saints,
15 “to execute judgment on all, to convict all who are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have committed in an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.”

I thought I would make a thread based mainly on the 10 week prophecy mentioned in that book, but also any other verses from the Bible concerning his prophecy.

For info, this site shows those weeks, along with it's interpretation of those weeks.
Thanks to those who respond and please vote.......

Enoch. The prophecy of the 10 weeks

3. And Enoch began to recount from the books and said;
I was born the seventh in the first week,
While judgement and righteousness still endured.
4. And after me there shall arise in the second week great wickedness,
And deceit shall have sprung up;
And in it there shall be the first end. And in it a man shall be saved;
And after it is ended unrighteousness shall grow up;
And a law shall be made for the sinners.
5. And after that in the third week at it’s close
A man shall be elected as the plant of righteous Judgement.
And his posterity shall become the plant of righteousness for evermore.
6. And after that in the fourth week, at it’s close,
Visions of the holy and righteous shall be seen.
And a law for all generations and an enclosure shall be made for them.
7. And after that in the fifth week, at it’s close,
The house of glory and dominion shall be built for ever.
8. And after that in the sixth week all who live in it shall be blinded,
And the hearts of all of them shall godlessly forsake wisdom.
And in it a man shall ascend; and at it’s close the house of dominion shall be burnt with fire,
And the race of the chosen root shall be dispersed.
9. And after that in the seventh week shall an apostate generation arise,
and many shall be it’s deeds, And all it’s deed shall be apostate.
10. And at it’s close shall be elected The elect righteous of the eternal plant of righteousness,
To receive sevenfold instruction concerning all His creation.

12. And after that there shall be another, the eighth week, that of righteousness,
And a sword shall be given to it that a righteous Judgement may be executed on the oppressors,
And the sinners shall be delivered into the hands of the righteous.
13. And at it’s close they shall acquire houses through their righteousness,
And a house shall be built for the Great King in glory for evermore,
And all mankind shall look to the path of uprightness.
14. And after that in the ninth week, the righteous judgment
shall be revealed to the whole world,
And all the works of the godless shall vanish from all the earth.
And the world shall be written down for destruction.
15. And after this, in the tenth week in the seventh part,
There shall be the great eternal judgement, in which
He will execute vengeance amongst the angels.
16. And the first heaven shall depart and pass away,
and a new heaven shall appear, and all the powers of the heavens shall give sevenfold light.
17. And after that there will be many weeks without number forever.

This is the end of the Apocalypse of the ten weeks.
As you can see, like all the prophecies of God it is coming to pass exactly as it was supposed to. God is still in charge. Here we have yet another word from God that this is the time all the world has been waiting for. .......................

==========================================================

yes, it is inspired by the true God, but do we understand Scripture properly/correctly?!, because the systematic Bible reading alone has not been enough for the purpose

Blessings

YHWH_will_uplift · Oct 15, 2017

GUANO said:
On which point?

That Enoch did not write 1 Enoch.

JacksBratt · Oct 15, 2017

friend of said:
If God wanted the Book of Enoch in the Bible it would have been in the Bible, especially when you consider that Enoch pleased God so much that God special-raptured him to avoid Enoch tasting death.

Another view is that the Book of Enoch is a book that could only be understood in these later days, and that is why it is being read and interpreted now.

I haven't read it but I wouldn't be averse to it, but I would go in with the mindset of treating it as the Apocrypha.

The fact that the Book of Enoch is still around and was included in the parchments found in the dead sea scrolls, is evidence enough for me that it was, and is, a very important and worthy book of text.

Who knows, maybe as more archeological evidence is found, a new council of God fearing, righteous seeking men will sit down, discuss it and eventually include it as canonical writing.

YHWH_will_uplift · Oct 15, 2017

JacksBratt said:
The fact that the Book of Enoch is still around and was included in the parchments found in the dead sea scrolls, is evidence enough for me that it was, and is, a very important and worthy book of text.

Who knows, maybe as more archeological evidence is found, a new council of God fearing, righteous seeking men will sit down, discuss it and eventually include it as canonical writing.

Thankfully we don't have to wait until the majority of naysayers are convinced: what's important is are we convinced and can we prove in Spirit and in Truth that these contested books are inspired by God? If Jesus had to wait for the whole world to be convinced that He is the Messiah then none would be saved.

JIMINZ · Oct 15, 2017

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YHWH_will_uplift · Oct 15, 2017

JIMINZ said:
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You can re-post your equation 20 times and it will still be a SUPPOSITION, you don't prove anything by repeating it over and over.

I proved it you just want to ignore what I made clear. If something is unclear then point it out and I will make it clear. Otherwise you're in denial.

JIMINZ · Oct 15, 2017

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YHWH_will_uplift · Oct 15, 2017

JIMINZ said:
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Sorry, but Peter isn't talking about Scripture itself, as you are using the term, he is speaking about PROPHECY, he actually says that (3) times. (PROPHECY) got that, not SCRIPTURE as you are trying to say, time to find another Proof Text.

2 Pet. 1:19-21
19) We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
20) Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21) For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Quick question, which Bible Translation do you use, I assume it has a lot more than the 66 Books of the King James Bible?

Who was it that Authorized the Canon of the Bible you use?

And prophecy is a part of scripture. Revelation (which is scripture) tells us that Jesus is the Spirit of prophecy.

JIMINZ · Oct 15, 2017

YHWH_will_uplift said:
I proved it you just want to ignore what I made clear. If something is unclear then point it out and I will make it clear. Otherwise you're in denial.

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All you have proven is you have an opinion, but just because you do have an opinion doesn't make that opinion correct, the Council you do not respect had the Authority, and they didn't include Enoch.

For all you know there could also be a laundry list of the person who hid the Scrolls, are we to include his list into Scripture as well.

JIMINZ · Oct 15, 2017

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GUANO · Oct 15, 2017

YHWH_will_uplift said:
That Enoch did not write 1 Enoch.

There is no record in the Bible that says that Noah was commanded to carry or carried a library of scrolls with him on the ark. Do you think it's an authoritative book? If so then i guess the earth is flat and the luminaries enter and exit portals at the ends of the earth...? There is no physical evidence that the book existed before the babylonian exile.

At the end of the day, I dont think it was written by Enoch even by the content of the writing alone as there are several different writing styles that are quite different within it. With that being said, I have read it many times and have a deep respect for that book and the authorship has no bearing on whether or not I think it's inspired.

Jipsah · Oct 15, 2017

YHWH_will_uplift said:
I proved it

Well, no. You told us what you believe, but that hardly constitutes proof. Unfortunately there's a fair bit of "Enoch" that is sheer bunk. The BOOK OF THE COURSES OF THE HEAVENLY LUMINARIES, for instance, goes into painful detail as to how the sun moves about the earth, every word of which is utter nonsense. One would think that any writing inspired by God would, if they were going to describe such things at all, get 'em right. After all, God designed the whole shootin' match, and so presumably knows how it works. Whoever wrote "Enoch" obviously not only didn't know how it works, he didn't even suspect how any of it worked. But he gets a gold star for creativity, as he has the sun nipping in and out of "portals" and "windows" at different times of year so as to vary the length of days (which he apparently believed to be the same everywhere, oops!). The writer's notions of the causes of weather and geography are pretty hilarious a well.

So to me, "Enoch" is clearly bogus. Tell me that the sun rises in the east, fine. That's how we all talk. Tell me, at wearisome length, how the sun performs maneuvers and gyrations that it patently does not, and that it's driven by the wind, and that it and the moon are roughly the same size, and so on ad absurdum, then it's no longer a matter of colloquial speech, it's a matter of making stuff up and peddling it as fact.

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