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The 10 Commandments are done away!

JohnRabbit

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Hebrews chapter 10 verse 1
The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming--not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship.
ok. you prove you do not understand the law of God!

the bible talks of "fleshly commandments" and the bible talks of:


Psalms 111:7-8(NKJV)
7 The works of His hands are verity and justice; All His precepts are sure.
8 They stand fast forever and ever, And are done in truth and uprightness.

now, what of the law is temporary and what of the law is forever? (hint: see rom 7:14 before you answer! )

btw, what is a "fleshly commandment"? (let's see where you are!!)
 
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sounds like one grasping for straws!
 
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When one understands that Jesus is King and that his words are law, I think the question must become: where did Jesus state that the Sabbath was a part of the New Covenant.

In a previous post I showed that the law was to come that Christ was to give and it wasn't the law that Moses gave as the world awaited the one to come. Jeremiah clearly stated that God was going to make a new covenant, not after the one that was made in the when God let them by the hand.

Jesus's statement that the law and the prophets were until John, or ended with John, clearly shows that the old Covenant law was finished: so why do people keep wanting to turn to it instead of to Jesus which is the answer: the way: the truth: and the life. and the words that he spoke are spirit and they are life.

Paul stated that the old Covenant, in particular that which was written and engraved in stone, was the ministration of condemnation, it is not Spirit or life. as previously pointed out, the law tells you what not to do, not how to live. the thou shalt Nots of the Ten Commandments in no ways tell you how to be righteous through maintaining a good heart which is laid out in the teachings of Christ and only embraced by practice. It is exactly as Jesus stated: If any man will do his will, speaking of his words, he shall know of the doctrine: whether it be of God or whether Jesus spoke of himself.

Jesus said: go into all the world and make disciples, a disciple is one who is discipline in the teachings of a master, Make Disciples of all Nations: teaching them to observe all that he commanded his followers to obey and follow. love your enemies is a great philosophy, but if you're not committed to loving your enemies what good is it? how are you a follower of Jesus Christ? if you actually practice the teachings of Christ you will know the truth of his words and you will have the holy spirit to guide you, but if you base your philosophies on a set of Creed's, ideas, and not the practice of obedience to the teachings of Christ, you will not know Christ. Christ is known by embracing his teachings and it is by embracing his teachings that you become one with him.
 
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God created us with 10 fingers
I guess Samuel chapter 21 verse 20
In still another battle, which took place at Gath, there was a huge man with six fingers on each hand and six toes on each foot--twenty-four in all. He also was descended from Rapha.
I guess that means he had 12 commandments.
Your trying to make nothing of the bible because it's not worded the way you want it to be.
Ephesians chapter 2 verses 14-19
For he himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new man out of the two. thus making peace and in this one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility. He came and preached peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near. For through him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit. Consequently , you are no longer foreigners and aliens, but fellow citizens with God's people and members of God's household.
 
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When one understands that Jesus is King and that his words are law, I think the question must become: where did Jesus state that the Sabbath was a part of the New Covenant.
When he answered the one in Matthew who asked what commands pertain to eternal life.

Before that the ceremonial law of blood sacrifice did not give eternal life , redemption, rebirth, renewal, to the sacrificer. It covered sins but it did not wash them away for all time.
 
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We both used our selected definitions of the word in question. I don't refuse your selection. I do question
why you choose not to use the one I presented. I do not think yours makes the Bible agree with itself. Webster define replete as complete. I think my presentation is irrefutable.

Then its simply amazing that you indicate Jesus did in fact change the law.

I also find it simply amazing you seem to disbelieve LK 24:44.

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In the same boat with you. I get disfellowshiped as a trouble maker for disagreeing with the preacher and key players who sometimes have not read the entire Bible.

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NOPE!!!!!

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Looks like the 10 commandments aren't done away with after all

Matthew 22:36-40 NLT


The whole "Old Testament" is based on loving God and loving your neighbor. This includes the 10 commandments. I believe what the Messiah said
Can one get into heaven by keeping the law (10 CS)? NOPE!!!! Jn 14:6

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You will not accept it.

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So, Jesus wasn't serious when asked what commands one must follow in order to have eternal life. Is that your belief?
Jesus was just giving a fool his required answer. You should note a few things about the exchange - Jesus did not condemn the man and yet he left sorrowfully. Then you should ask why although with your knowledge of the Bible you will not understand.

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You will not believe them as they have been posted.

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the law of Moses as issued and written by the finger of God.

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You will not accept it.

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You can't say that; it had not been provided yet that Christ said the 10 commandments were done away with.


It is very simple: show where God or Christ said the OP.

You say I won't accept it, but you haven't even provided anything remotely close to Christ saying the OP - NOT to mention it contradicts His own Word.
 
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the law of Moses as issued and written by the finger of God.

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It isn't the law of Moses. Pepole need to stop saying that. It is the unfounded Law of God - anything that begins with, "and the Lord God said..."

Moses delivered some of it, but the first five books are not the "word of Moses."
 
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You will not accept anything we say or refer you to. NTL I heartily recommend reading the Gospel o fJohn.

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All ANYONE has to do is show me a direct quote from Christ telling us that the 10 commandments are done away with. It is very simple.

Your frustration may come from the fact that Christ NEVER says this, and that I won't accept interpretations by a man - further interpreted to fit the OP. True, I won't accept that. I have been very transparent about what I was asking for, and it has been IGNORED, because people continued to post quotes from other humans attempting to speak on behalf of Christ.

It is very simple what I have been asking for thus entire thread; why can't you accept the request - and provide what was asked for?

This OP is dangerous doctrine, so you are absolutely right I am not risking my soul on the interpretation of a man.
 
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I may be wrong but I don't think the word "complete" can properly represent the Greek word in question. I intend on researching the use of the word more thoroughly later, but I don't have time right now. I believe the concept behind the word is to level up something and I intend on seeing if there is a Greek word regularly used in the gospels that means to complete as in to finnish something, actually if Jesus uses the same Greek word when he states it is finished. Regarding his work on earth and his sacrifice then I will comceed that your use of the word can also properly represent Jesus in the text.

So I just looked up words that mean complete and I now don't believe you are correct. Take a look at the Strong's numbers 3973 and 4931,5055/5056. Looking at 5055 it is most likely the word Jesus would have used if he meant to use the word "complete" the way that you are representing it. the reason I say that is: if you do a study of that word 5055 you see that it would exactly represent what you're trying to say Jesus meant and it is used by Jesus to make the representation that you are trying to have that word mean in this case.

I'm certain that Jesus actually meant that he came to raise the standard of righteousness as in to fill up a cup to the brim.

Moses did not fill up the cup, he left the cup half empty and really left it empty: because he never showed us how to do the things that were expected of us; he didn't show us that in order to live right before God you had to have a right heart and that in order to have a right heart you had to practice Mercy compassion forgiveness and Grace. Jesus showed us how to fulfill righteousness through the practices that he lays down, of loving your enemies, not laying up your Treasures on this Earth, forgiveness, Etc. Jesus shows us the law and says: here is what was written in the law but here is my higher standard of righteousness, the law is not enough, thelaws is insufficient, my teachings are the fullness of righteousness and he raises the standards. not only that, he points to the Pharisees and says: their standards of righteousness will not get you into heaven, did they fulfill Moses's words? yes, but it wasn't enough without having a heart to match the expectations of righteousness. Our actions are meaningless without the right emotions behind them. God looks at the heart, your emotions are the truth of the state of your heart; do you love your enemies? if you don't love them, the word love in the Hebrew comes from a word that means affection, if you don't have affection for your enemies: your heart isn't right and your sacrifice is not acceptable to God. God looks at our hearts, our emotions are the truth of the state of our heart, our emotions must match our actions, it's not the actions God wants, it's the heart; the heart must be right in order for the actions to be acceptable. when Cain and Abel offered sacrifices, why did God not accept Cain's sacrifice? it was because the state of his heart didn't match his actions and when God did not accept his sacrifice Cain was upset and was jealous because his brother's sacrifice was accepted and his bad emotions cause him to kill his brother; but God already saw his heart and that was why his sacrifice wasn't accepted.

The don'ts of the Ten Commandments do absolutely nothing to help you know how to do what you need to: in order to be insulated and kept from violating the good. As has already been said Moses gave absolutely nothing to the Gentile Christian and truth be known he did absolutely no good to help the children of Israel be and maintain righteousness: all this is found in Christ and Christ alone and by this I mean in his teachings.
 
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