The 10 Commandments are done away!

W2L · Sep 17, 2016

Sabbath literally means "rest" if I'm not mistaken.

Matthew 11:28 Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.

JohnRabbit · Sep 17, 2016

[Staff edit]

i recently answered a post by LLOJ and maybe this will help.

LittleLambofJesus said:
Why was Peter so concerned when some friends of James came to Antioch and then Peter didn't eat with the gentile believers?
Were the gentile believers eating what was forbidden by Jews to eat? Curious

Galatians 2:
11 But when Peter came to Antioch, I had to oppose him to his face, for what he did was very wrong.
12 When he first arrived, he ate with the Gentile believers, who were not circumcised. But afterward, when some friends of James came, Peter wouldn’t eat with the Gentiles anymore. He was afraid of criticism from these people who insisted on the necessity of circumcision.
13 As a result, other Jewish believers followed Peter’s hypocrisy, and even Barnabas was led astray by their hypocrisy.

**REPOST**
the jews were very discriminatory when it came to the gentiles. they had taken the "works of the law" or "works of law" to a "whole 'nother" level (see matthew 15:1-12, john 18:28).

for instance, the jews would avoid touching a gentile in fear of being defiled because they didn't know if the gentile had touch a dead body - numbers 19:11-13. (and for similar reasons)

so peter didn't want to be seen as "defiled" in the eyes of the jews, and in this case it's because the gentiles were not circumcised - per verse 12 (again, see matthew 15:12, john 18:28).

so paul simply told peter that they shouldn't send out mixed signals to the gentiles and spent the rest of the chapter and on into the rest of the book explaining that the "works of the law" means that you're relying on yourself for cleansing and leave the sacrifice of the Christ of no effect.

paul was showing peter that the jews needed to understand the christian is justified by faith and not by "works of law"!

and gal 2:16 is basically the theme of galatians:

Galatians 2:16(NKJV)
16knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.
****

to the corinthians he said:

1 Corinthians 7:19(NKJV)
Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.

the circumcision law is a fleshly ordinance not a spiritual law like the "ten".

so of course the spiritual law is what matters!

and john says:

1 John 5:3(NKJV)
For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.

now tell me, what of the law was burdensome?

was it the fleshly ordinances or the spiritual ones (HINT: see 1jn 5:3! )?

Bob S · Sep 17, 2016

JohnRabbit said:
i recently answered a post by LLOJ and maybe this will help.

**REPOST**
the jews were very discriminatory when it came to the gentiles. they had taken the "works of the law" or "works of law" to a "whole 'nother" level (see matthew 15:1-12, john 18:28).

for instance, the jews would avoid touching a gentile in fear of being defiled because they didn't know if the gentile had touch a dead body - numbers 19:11-13. (and for similar reasons)

so peter didn't want to be seen as "defiled" in the eyes of the jews, and in this case it's because the gentiles were not circumcised - per verse 12 (again, see matthew 15:12, john 18:28).

so paul simply told peter that they shouldn't send out mixed signals to the gentiles and spent the rest of the chapter and on into the rest of the book explaining that the "works of the law" means that you're relying on yourself for cleansing and leave the sacrifice of the Christ of no effect.

paul was showing peter that the jews needed to understand the christian is justified by faith and not by "works of law"!

and gal 2:16 is basically the theme of galatians:

Galatians 2:16(NKJV)
16knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.
****

to the corinthians he said:

1 Corinthians 7:19(NKJV)
Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.

the circumcision law is a fleshly ordinance not a spiritual law like the "ten".

so of course the spiritual law is what matters!

and john says:

1 John 5:3(NKJV)
For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.

now tell me, what of the law was burdensome?

was it the fleshly ordinances or the spiritual ones (HINT: see 1jn 5:3! )?

The Sabbath was not a spiritual law. Sorry!

disciple1 · Sep 17, 2016

JohnRabbit said:
i recently answered a post by LLOJ and maybe this will help.

**REPOST**
the jews were very discriminatory when it came to the gentiles. they had taken the "works of the law" or "works of law" to a "whole 'nother" level (see matthew 15:1-12, john 18:28).

for instance, the jews would avoid touching a gentile in fear of being defiled because they didn't know if the gentile had touch a dead body - numbers 19:11-13. (and for similar reasons)

so peter didn't want to be seen as "defiled" in the eyes of the jews, and in this case it's because the gentiles were not circumcised - per verse 12 (again, see matthew 15:12, john 18:28).

so paul simply told peter that they shouldn't send out mixed signals to the gentiles and spent the rest of the chapter and on into the rest of the book explaining that the "works of the law" means that you're relying on yourself for cleansing and leave the sacrifice of the Christ of no effect.

paul was showing peter that the jews needed to understand the christian is justified by faith and not by "works of law"!

and gal 2:16 is basically the theme of galatians:

Galatians 2:16(NKJV)
16knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.
****

to the corinthians he said:

1 Corinthians 7:19(NKJV)
Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.

the circumcision law is a fleshly ordinance not a spiritual law like the "ten".

so of course the spiritual law is what matters!

and john says:

1 John 5:3(NKJV)
For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.

now tell me, what of the law was burdensome?

was it the fleshly ordinances or the spiritual ones (HINT: see 1jn 5:3! )?

Micah chapter 6
8 He has shown you, O mortal, what is good.
And what does the Lord require of you?
To act justly and to love mercy
and to walk humbly[a] with your God.

CGL1023 · Sep 17, 2016

2 know him said:
It never ceases to amaze me how people don't read the bible. If one doesn't understand that the 10 commandments are done away they can not understand what Christ came to do.

We have these scriptures to keep in mind and they have always concerned me as I don't know how to understand them given that we are "redeemed from the curse of the law(Gal 3:13)." I generally agree that the law is done away with. Evidently some portion remains "til all be fulfilled."

Matthew 5:17-19 KJV
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

bugkiller · Sep 17, 2016

JohnRabbit said:
the priesthood and the covenant aren't the same thing.

the change was to the law that governed the priesthood, not the ten commandments!

how'd you miss that?

yes, the levi priesthood was delivered through human instruments, that they themselves had shortcomings and the like - heb 7:22-28.

No the change was to the law and the 10 Cs are part of that law. Thus they're done away with as well. We have 2 NT authors indicating its all or nothing.

bugkiller

bugkiller · Sep 17, 2016

JohnRabbit said:
i recently answered a post by LLOJ and maybe this will help.

**REPOST**
the jews were very discriminatory when it came to the gentiles. they had taken the "works of the law" or "works of law" to a "whole 'nother" level (see matthew 15:1-12, john 18:28).

for instance, the jews would avoid touching a gentile in fear of being defiled because they didn't know if the gentile had touch a dead body - numbers 19:11-13. (and for similar reasons)

so peter didn't want to be seen as "defiled" in the eyes of the jews, and in this case it's because the gentiles were not circumcised - per verse 12 (again, see matthew 15:12, john 18:28).

so paul simply told peter that they shouldn't send out mixed signals to the gentiles and spent the rest of the chapter and on into the rest of the book explaining that the "works of the law" means that you're relying on yourself for cleansing and leave the sacrifice of the Christ of no effect.

paul was showing peter that the jews needed to understand the christian is justified by faith and not by "works of law"!

and gal 2:16 is basically the theme of galatians:

Galatians 2:16(NKJV)
16knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.
****

to the corinthians he said:

1 Corinthians 7:19(NKJV)
Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.

the circumcision law is a fleshly ordinance not a spiritual law like the "ten".

so of course the spiritual law is what matters!

and john says:

1 John 5:3(NKJV)
For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.

now tell me, what of the law was burdensome?

was it the fleshly ordinances or the spiritual ones (HINT: see 1jn 5:3! )?

Unfortunately for you, John is talking about a different set of commandments.

bugkiller

Bob S · Sep 17, 2016

CGL1023 said:
We have these scriptures to keep in mind and they have always concerned me as I don't know how to understand them given that we are "redeemed from the curse of the law(Gal 3:13)." I generally agree that the law is done away with. Evidently some portion remains "til all be fulfilled."

Matthew 5:17-19 KJV
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Heaven and Earth had to have been figuratively speaking. Se Luke 21: 20-22
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.[/QUOTE]
Yep, maybe somewhat hard to understand until you read a good portion of the New Testament and some of the old. Jesus came to redeem mankind from going to Hell, punishment for living in sin. A requirement was to prove to mankind that indeed the laws God gave to his children, what ever laws they were under, could be kept. Jesus did just that, He fulfilled the law, gave mankind the new everlasting covenant, died on the Cross and gave His blood to ratify the final covenant with man. Had Jesus not fulfilled the law we surely would be waiting and Israel would still be under every jot and tittle of the Torah (old covenant).

JohnRabbit · Sep 18, 2016

Bob S said:
The Sabbath was not a spiritual law. Sorry!

who wrote the spiritual law, Bob S?

JohnRabbit · Sep 18, 2016

bugkiller said:
Unfortunately for you, John is talking about a different set of commandments.

and what are those commandments?

JohnRabbit · Sep 18, 2016

bugkiller said:
No the change was to the law and the 10 Cs are part of that law. Thus they're done away with as well. We have 2 NT authors indicating its all or nothing.

ok, let's just go to the "video tape"!

Hebrews 7:12(NKJV)
12For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.

the priesthood was changed and the law that pertained to it! and on top of that, it said change and not "do away with"!

you do understand that the COI received the priesthood and it's laws about year after they received the covenant law - ex 40:1,17, heb 7:11?

heb 7:16 even tells us what kind of law it's talking about, (i'm surprised you didn't see that )

it's funny how everyone gets all of that mixed up!

hebrews 7 is sometimes referred to as the "priesthood" chapter and it's really about the change in the tithing law!

VanillaSunflowers · Sep 18, 2016

2 know him said:
It never ceases to amaze me how people don't read the bible. If one doesn't understand that the 10 commandments are done away they can not understand what Christ came to do.

If God's moral guidance were done away Jesus himself would have said so. Instead when asked he reiterated God's moral guidelines.

Bob S · Sep 18, 2016

VanillaSunflowers said:
If God's moral guidance were done away Jesus himself would have said so. Instead when asked he reiterated God's moral guidelines.

Are you referring to God' moral guidance as being the 10 commandments?

BobRyan · Sep 18, 2016

2 know him said:
It never ceases to amaze me how people don't read the bible. If one doesn't understand that the 10 commandments are done away they can not understand what Christ came to do.
.

The "ten commandments are done away" is a great phrase -- for those who believe that doctrine -- but it is not found anywhere in the Bible.

So when those who believe in such a doctrine promote it... they "quote themselves" as their source text for that phrase.

Bob S · Sep 18, 2016

BobRyan said:
The "ten commandments are done away" is a great phrase -- for those who believe that doctrine -- but it is not found anywhere in the Bible.

Right Bob, scripture only tells us that the 10 were temporary. I will take the time to once again copy and paste the verses.
2 Corinthians 3:7-11New International Version (NIV)
The Greater Glory of the New Covenant
7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! 10 For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. 11 And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!

Transitory = temporary. [Staff edit]

Bob S · Sep 18, 2016

The 10 were guidelines for Israel. Israel as a totalitarian nation and the old covenant are defunct. Jesus gave us as our guide the Holy Spirit. [Staff edit]

BobRyan · Sep 18, 2016

jason1 said:
Bug Killer, can you post the verses citing what the new covenant is and who it is made with please? You can use either Jeremiah 31 or Hebrews 8

Nice

"Bible details matter..."

And we shall see how that works.

BobRyan · Sep 18, 2016

Bob S said:
The 10 were guidelines for Israel.

Hmmm "do not take the name of the Lord Thy God in vain" was a "guideline".???

Read mark 7:6-13 to see how your "guideline" idea plays out.

Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the Commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

James 2
8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you do well;
9 but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by THE Law as transgressors.
10 For whoever shall keep the whole Law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of THE Law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.

The Holy Spirit writes the LAW of God on the heart and mind under the New Covenant.

BobRyan · Sep 18, 2016

Bob S said:
Right Bob, scripture only tells us that the 10 were temporary.

Just not in "real life".

In "real life" we have Eph 6:2 telling us that the 5th commandment is the "FIRST commandment with a promise" in that singular unit of "TEN" -- still binding on all mankind.

Such that "Do we then make void the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we ESTABLISH the LAW of God" Rom 3:31

I will take the time to once again copy and paste the verses.
2 Corinthians 3:7-11New International Version (NIV)
The Greater Glory of the New Covenant
7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! 10 For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. 11 And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!

In that example we see that the LAW of God condemns all mankind as sinners -- just as we see in Romans 3:19-21

I will take the time to once again copy and paste the verses
Romans 3
19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. 20 Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

For even in the NEW TESTAMENT "SIN IS transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4

No wonder then that the Romans 3 chapter as just quoted -- ends with this.

"Do we then make void the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we ESTABLISH the LAW of God" Rom 3:31

Since under the NEW COVENANT - that Jeremiah 31:31-33 LAW is "WRITTEN on the heart and mind" instead of "done away" --- instead of "abolished"... instead of "made void".

1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is KEEPING the COMMANDMENTS of GOD"

Bob S · Sep 18, 2016

BobRyan said:
Hmmm "do not take the name of the Lord Thy God in vain" was a "guideline".???

a principle put forward to set standards or determine a course of action

The 10 Commandments are done away!

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