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The 10 Commandments are done away!

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You didn't say which one is missing. It is number 4. Why is that? Because the Sabbath was given exclusively to the children of Israel as a perpetual/eternal covenant.
Exo 31:16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.

Lev 24:8 Every sabbath he shall set it in order before the LORD continually, being taken from the children of Israel by an everlasting covenant.
 
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I figured you either knew which one was missing or didn't give it much thought when you posted 10 commandments yet listed only 9.
So which is it for Christians the 10 or the 9 or the NOT 10 and love God and your neighbor which equates the 9 to begin with?
 
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So....

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I thought that was self explanatory. If a commandment is not specifically stated as being required by Christians, are Christians still required to obey it? Christians are free to observe the 7th day Sabbath but not required. But you are also correct about Jesus combining all the laws into 2.
Mat 22:37-40
(37) Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
(38) This is the first and great commandment.
(39) And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
(40) On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Jesus wasn't saying anything new.
Rabbi Simlai taught: Talmud, Makkoth 23b-24a
Six hundred and thirteen commandments we imparted to Moses- three hundred and sixty-five of which were prohibitions, answering to the number of days of the year, and two hundred and forty-eight positive precepts, corresponding to the number of members in the human body.
"Then came David and reduced them to eleven, even as it is written (Psalms 15)
Then came Yeshayahu (Isaiah) and reduced them to six, even as it is written (Yeshayahu 33:15):
Then came Mikha ( Micah) and reduced them to three, even as it is written (Mikha 6:8)
Then came Yeshayahu (Isaiah) once more and reduced them to two, as it is said (Yeshayahu 56:1)
Then came Amos and reduced them to one, as it is written(Amos 4)
Rabbi Nahman the son of Yitzak (a Babylonian scholar of the second or third generation after Rabbi Simlai suggested as an alternative conclusion:
Then came the prophet Havaqquq (Habakkuk) and reduced the commandments to one, which one is the verse (Havaqquq 2:4)
 
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I don't have a lot of time, but let me mention this: The feast of Tabernacles was a feast to remember Israel's liberation from Egypt and their need to be fed by God and how God is the one that sustains and provides for his children. It is not the physical feast, but the perpetual feast of remembering God as the source of our liberation and provision that truly honors Him and thus we must keep the Feast of Tabernacle's. One keeps this feast if they maintain their faith in God being the source of their liberation and supply. I think too often we think the physical actions are of value instead of understanding the spiritual meaning and that is what prevented the Jews from embracing Christ also.

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So you are in agreement that Christians are not under the 10 commandments because the Sabbath Day commandment doesn't apply to us it is VOLUNTARY not MANDATORY. The problem we have here is that those who are promoting and demanding Christians MUST keep the Sabbath first step of doing so is telling us we should keep the 10 commandments (that they apply to us) and so far you have agreed and disagreed both with their premise.
 
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Well said...... I'm in agreement with that. There are many falsehood stated about the Sabbath commandment.

I would also go further and say with proven scriptures that WE'RE NOT UNDER THE LAW. (meaning the ten commandments.)
 
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Don't you believe Mosaic Law was of no importance to the gentile, never was and never will be? The 10Cs never applied to anyone but the Hebrews? For some reason, I thought you started this thread?
 
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Well said...... I'm in agreement with that. There are many falsehood stated about the Sabbath commandment.

I would also go further and say with proven scriptures that WE'RE NOT UNDER THE LAW. (meaning the ten commandments.)

Correct, according to James.

Jas 2:8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself," you are doing well.
Jas 2:9 But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors.
Jas 2:10 For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become accountable for all of it.
Jas 2:11 For he who said, "Do not commit adultery," also said, "Do not murder." If you do not commit adultery but do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.
Jas 2:12 So speak and so act as those who are to be judged under the law of liberty.


We are under a higher law than the 10 commandments.

Mat 5:27 "You have heard that it was said, 'You shall not commit adultery.'

The Law of Christ.

Mat 5:28 But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

We are under a better covenant, with a better mediator.

Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.


It has made the Old Sinai covenant "obsolete".

Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

2Co_3:6 who has made us sufficient to be ministers of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit. For the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
(ESV)
 
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Don't you believe Mosaic Law was of no importance to the gentile, never was and never will be? The 10Cs never applied to anyone but the Hebrews? For some reason, I thought you started this thread?

I am making the point that people focus on the physical feast instead of the spiritual feast. When Christ came people expected a physical kingdom, but it wasn't a physical kingdom he came to establish, but a spiritual one: you keep the feast perpetually by maintaining a focus on your Creator for your daily bread and sustenance and liberation.
 
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I take it this post is so self-evident that it need not be debated. The real question is why is there such confusion on this issue, with the clear evidence that refutes the 10 commandments are still valid.

The law thumpers will arise to the occasion. They will not take your post seriously since they are steeped in false doctrine.
Thanx Bob... Christ like as always.

Happy Sabbath, btw.
Hey Bob, I am not sure what you mean. Are you saying the 10 Commandments are no longer vaild today? Not wanting to argue just sincerely asking.

I suppose that depends on what the poster means by "law thumpers".......



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Isn't it odd how there are more than one member attempting to teach this falsehood about the ten commandments?

Exodus 12:49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.
Leviticus 24:22

Just a couple of old and new covenant examples that the point of the discussion first post is not true. The ten commandments apply to Christians today. God doesn't just rule over the Jews. Why then would his covenant wherein Jesus came to save the whole world from sin only apply to the Jews?
2 Chronicles 20:6 And said, O Lord God of our fathers, art not thou God in heaven? and rulest not thou over all the kingdoms of the heathen? and in thine hand is there not power and might, so that none is able to withstand thee?

Psalm 89:34 My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips.
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. Matthew 4:4
 
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Do you all realize the 10 are not a complete set of moral laws? The greatest commandment isn't even in the 10. Do you see the sin of slander, fraud, arrogance, pride, egotism, hypocrisy, blasphemy in the 10? I really do not see how a person gets so hung up on the 10, especially since Paul in 2Cor 3:7-11 tells us the 10 were transitory (temporary).
 
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Huh. Good to know murder isn't a sin anymore- I have a neighbor who has really been asking for it...

Sarcasm aside, why exactly is it such a big deal if the Ten Commandments apply to us or not? Jesus followed, and indeed fulfilled, the Law so that we might have the Holy Spirit, who is a more excellent teacher than the Law. Tht does not make the Law wrong, or evil, but it does mean we no longer live under it- even if, obviously, certain things are sinful under the new covenant that were also sinful under the old. Sin is, after all, still sin, regardless of the covenant you are under: what matter is if you are within the Body of Christ, so that your sin is no longer mortal (that is, condemning), but rather merely the vestiges of your flesh, which has yet to be transformed like your spirit.
 
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Do you all realize the 10 are not a complete set of moral laws? The greatest commandment isn't even in the 10.
To your understanding which is that greatest commandment?

Do you see the sin of slander, fraud, arrogance, pride, egotism, hypocrisy, blasphemy in the 10? I really do not see how a person gets so hung up on the 10, especially since Paul in 2Cor 3:7-11 tells us the 10 were transitory (temporary).
Romans 3:31
 
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If that's true there's no new covenant.

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