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ZephyrWiccan

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What are the inherent physical properties of the wood used on the Ark?
And what were the compression and tensile strengths?
Perhaps my figures are wrong.
Look up the terms "snaking", "hogging", and "sagging". These are inherent properties, based on their physical properties (Modulus of elasticity, etc.), that govern how long of a structure you could have. Wood also absorbs water and loses strength.

In addition, another thing I just thought of, are the fasteners. The things used to hold these pieces of wood together. The nails/fasteners fastening it together would undergo the flexing and twisting, creating holes that become wider and wider until they fall out.
 
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And for AV, who insists on us calling it an "ark", and pointing out that this ark had no rudder, etc.

Another consideration is what would have happened to a big, wooden box in a stormy sea. Any sailor will tell you how important it is to maintain steerage way in heavy seas. That is the only way that the bow can be pointed into the swell. Sailing ships, even in gale force winds, carry some sail in order to keep the ship pointed in a direction that makes it easier to ride out the weather - stern to in the case of sailing ships. Well, Noah's ark was just a big box if we are to believe AV. There was no bow, or stern, and no sails.

Here's what happens to a ship (or a big box) that cannot maintain steerage way in a big storm. In December of 1944 the US Navy Task Force 38 was caught in a typhoon in the Philippine Sea east of Luzon. (The Caine Mutiny was set in that storm - LCdr Gerald Ford was serving aboard the USS Monterey during the typhoon.) In that storm, three destroyers (USS Hull, USS Spence, USS Monaghan) lost power when their engine rooms were flooded. All three ships had pumped out the ballast tanks in anticipation of refueling. All three capsized when they were turned broadside to the waves. All hands were lost.


You see, when the height of a wave exceeds the particular dimension of the ship that it encounters, over the ship goes. Waves as high as the length of a Navy destroyer just don't happen. Waves as high as the beam of the ship are common.


So how would Noah's big wooden box have fared? With no means of propulsion the ark would have been turned broadside to the first few small waves. If the 40 day storm was as severe as creationists tell us, Noah and family and all the animals spent 40 days rolling over and over and over - unless the ark settled quietly on the bottom.
 
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And for AV, who insists on us calling it an "ark", and pointing out that this ark had no rudder, etc.
I'm going to give your posts to me the same consideration you're giving mine to you: none.

You can yak all day if you want about waves and ballast and listing and capsizing and who knows what all else -- and your science can take a hike.
 
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I'm going to give your posts to me the same consideration you're giving mine to you: none.

You can yak all day if you want about waves and ballast and listing and capsizing and who knows what all else -- and your science can take a hike.
Apparently not too much of a hike, given that you are posting here using an invention of "my science" (the computer) to make your posts...... Seems you are a bit ... selective... when it comes to hike-taking. Perhaps almost hypocritical?
 
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Apparently not too much of a hike, given that you are posting here using an invention of "my science" (the computer) to make your posts...... Seems you are a bit ... selective... when it comes to hike-taking. Perhaps almost hypocritical?
Not hardly.

God gives us scientists to make our lives better -- not to rail against Him and His Word.
 
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Not hardly.

God gives us scientists to make our lives better -- not to rail against Him and His Word.
"your science can take a hike" - AV1611VET

Hmmmmmm.......... Almost sounds like someone indirectly telling God to take a hike with that statement given the above statement about god giving us scientists...... Hm.............:doh: :ouch:
 
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"your science can take a hike" - AV1611VET

Hmmmmmm.......... Almost sounds like someone indirectly telling God to take a hike with that statement given the above statement about god giving us scientists...... Hm.............:doh: :ouch:
Creation = zero science involved

The Flood = God told science to take a hike

The parting of the Red Sea = God told science to take a hike

Daniel's friends in the fiery furnace = God told science to take a hike

Daniel in the lion's den = God told science to take a hike

The Virgin Birth, Jesus' miracles, including His death, burial and resurrection all done by suspending the laws of science.

Yes -- when God so decrees -- science can take a hike.
 
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Apparently not too much of a hike, given that you are posting here using an invention of "my science" (the computer) to make your posts...... Seems you are a bit ... selective... when it comes to hike-taking. Perhaps almost hypocritical?

What about those making 'judgments' using my morality system. Isn't that being selective as well?

Or using English - the realm of 'liberal arts' in order to convey meaning. Why don't you use machine-code?
 
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Do you believe that science should be the over-arching mechanism by which you judge all things true?
I don't like to get into a conversation with someone on the matter of truth.

I don't think an unregenerate person has a clue as to what Truth is -- nor can he know it.

But to answer your question, I view 95% of what science concludes ... for lack of a better term ... to be temporarily factual.

In this dispensation, anyway.
 
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Mamma mia -- Samson killed 30 Philistines?

If you want to compare God's kill count to man's, are you willing to account for the unborn?

(Just YES or NO please.)
Did you listen all the way through to the final total of NUMBERED killings supposedly carried out either directly by your God or by his orders? Over two million. And that's the numbered ones. Dozens of cities without number, and then the unnumbered WORLD-KILLING in yoru supposed Global Fludde.

Don't know what you are talking about with "the unborn".
 
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Okay -- now you're going to admit that God does miracles?
Nope, jsut granting for the sake of argument what your Bible says. your Bible says all this, bud. You worship a God that your very own book basically tells us is a monster.
You can't have it both ways, Zephyr.

So God can rain fire down on Sodom and Gomorrah, but He can't sustain an Ark in a global flood?

And what's with the change from talking science to talking morals, now?

Could we stick to the subject?
What's with the change? Pay attention little boy - the question asked was about who does the bad things if your God does the good things. And I answered him.

Look at you trying to claim we should stick to the subject 0 there went my irony meter.
 
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I'm sure even Nathan would disagree with you on this, Zephyr...

Wrong as usual, AV -- Zephyr was referring to a wooden vessel built in reality, whereas I was speaking in a more mythological context.

Perhaps my post didn't make that clear, but then again, you've never bothered to distinguish between the two, anyway.
 
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Nope, jsut granting for the sake of argument what your Bible says. your Bible says all this, bud. You worship a God that your very own book basically tells us is a monster.

What's with the change? Pay attention little boy - the question asked was about who does the bad things if your God does the good things. And I answered him.

Look at you trying to claim we should stick to the subject 0 there went my irony meter.
Well, I see you jumped off the science wagon to yak about morality, so unless you want to talk Noah, I'm really not interested.

What you guys consider "bad" is not exactly what God considers "bad".

In fact -- just the opposite in many cases.

Isa 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
 
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