That Boat Don't Float!!

[SkyWriting]

Actually ark is a mistranslation from hyperspace vehicle. You see the ark had a hyperspace drive that allowed them to slip into a time warp. Only a few hours went by for them during the flood. That way they didn't have to feed the animals or worry about thousand of tons of poop and they were safe from any wind or waves in their hyperspace bubble. They just didn't mention all that stuff in the bible because people in those days wouldn't have understood hyperspace. Piece of cake.

Or the animals were sleeping.
Most people of the time could figure that out.

 

[SkyWriting]

"Besides, I thought bible literalists don't believe in metaphors or analogies?"

LOL....clearly not thinking or listening or studied in critical analysis of literature or all three.

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

Or the animals were sleeping.
Most people of the time could figure that out.

Right, they all took a year long nap. I guess the predators must have kept sleeping for quite a few years after the flood while prey species, eating who knows what, increased to the levels that would allow them to sustain predator populations.

 

[SkyWriting]

I see. So those fountains of the deep and floodgates of heaven produced a completely calm sea? And those rainstorms did the same?

Even if they did, you have the entire surface of the world covered in water - no land to break up the effects of wind on the surface of the water. That my friend would result in enormous waves from the wind alone.

I'm absolutely convinced that your ideas are valid.
Large waves could easily crack a vessel that size in half.

For God to have the boat built, bring the animals into it, close the door, send the rain, and then send wind and waves to break the boat in two and spill out its contents into the sea, is just an entirely different story. Entertaining....but a different story than the one we are referring to.

 

[AV1611VET]

I'm absolutely convinced that your ideas are valid.
Large waves could easily crack a vessel that size in half.

You do realize these guys are feigning ignorance just to get a rise out of you, do you not?

Miracles and clipboards don't mix.

 

[ZephyrWiccan]

I'm absolutely convinced that your ideas are valid.
Large waves could easily crack a vessel that size in half.

Not just could, but WOULD.

For God to have the boat built, bring the animals into it, close the door, send the rain, and then send wind and waves to break the boat in two and spill out its contents into the sea, is just an entirely different story. Entertaining....but a different story than the one we are referring to.

"story" is a good word here. No, it is not a "different story", it is the facts, and show the "story" to be little more than fairy-tale nonsense or a Big Fish tale that's been exaggerated for years.

 

[ZephyrWiccan]

You do realize these guys are feigning ignorance just to get a rise out of you, do you not?

Miracles and clipboards don't mix.

There is no evidence of such a thing as a "miracle".

 

[AV1611VET]

There is no evidence of such a thing as a "miracle".

Does that surprise you?

Can you answer this question:

Ga 3:5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

Miracles are not done through any know scientific laws, but occur when these laws are bypassed.

 

[Nathan Poe]

You do realize these guys are feigning ignorance just to get a rise out of you, do you not?

Miracles and clipboards don't mix.

Miracles and reality don't mix too well either.

AV -- why not tell the rest of the class which one takes the hike?

 

[Nathan Poe]

Does that surprise you?

Can you answer this question:

Ga 3:5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

That's easy -- it's a moot question, becasue nobody ever does miracles among anyone.

You might as well ask what kind of food to feed your two-headed firebreathing unicorn.

Miracles are not done through any know scientific laws, but occur when these laws are bypassed.

And since no such miracle has ever occurred, again, it's moot.

 

[SkyWriting]

You do realize these guys are feigning ignorance just to get a rise out of you, do you not?

Miracles and clipboards don't mix.

I don't mind their goals.
They can't argue against my own experiences. I've had years to examine them, and God's intervention is the only possible solution.

Could God himself keep the seas calm enough for the Ark?
Could God know how to design a suitable watercraft?
Could God have included all we need to know in the story?

Yup.

 

[SkyWriting]

There is no evidence of such a thing as a "miracle".

Lets say you are having a heart attack and you ask God to lend you a hand before your heart stops beating. You ask Him to do whatever He chooses to do in your best interest and you turn the entire matter over to him.

(Please take this seriously, because there is no harm in following my suggestions, and the benefit is pretty good too)

So...as you get to the very end of this mental dialog, and in your mind are saying " I'm turning this over to you....." and on the word "you" a person enters the room with their own heart medication and gives you some.

You get to experience the miracle while everyone else scoffs at your story.
That's similar to my own experiences. And it's not like I pray constantly. Though I should.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Lets say you are having a heart attack and you ask God to lend you a hand before your heart stops beating. You ask Him to do whatever He chooses to do in your best interest and you turn the entire matter over to him.

(Please take this seriously, because there is no harm in following my suggestions, and the benefit is pretty good too)

So...as you get to the very end of this mental dialog, and in your mind are saying " I'm turning this over to you....." and on the word "you" a person enters the room with their own heart medication and gives you some.

You get to experience the miracle while everyone else scoffs at your story.
That's similar to my own experiences. And it's not like I pray constantly. Though I should.

So, what's the difference between "miracle" and coincidence and/or serendipity?

 

[SkyWriting]

Not just could, but WOULD.

"story" is a good word here. No, it is not a "different story", it is the facts, and show the "story" to be little more than fairy-tale nonsense or a Big Fish tale that's been exaggerated for years.

chuckle...."the facts" of a story you don't believe.

No, the facts are that there were no waves in the story.
Maybe some gentle wind at the end.
God can deal with waves.

 

[SkyWriting]

Right, they all took a year long nap. I guess the predators must have kept sleeping for quite a few years after the flood while prey species, eating who knows what, increased to the levels that would allow them to sustain predator populations.

Now that's an interesting point. God hand picked the animals to be suitable for repopulating the world and they would have had to have been omnivores at the least. I'll have to study that idea more.

 

[SkyWriting]

I simply gave an EXAMPLE to show the problems a bigger ship would have to face. The suggestion is that the physical properties of wood prohibit such an Ark. And they do. There is not getting around it.

You mean "getting around" a poor design? Sorry.
People have solved design problems for 1000's of years.
Your examples serve to illustrate the decreasing
level of problem solving skills each generation
suffers from.

And then there is the inferior workmanship of each new generation.

 

[ZephyrWiccan]

You mean "getting around" a poor design? Sorry.
People have solved design problems for 1000's of years.
Your examples serve to illustrate the decreasing
level of problem solving skills each generation
suffers from.

And then there is the inferior workmanship of each new generation.

This is not a "design" issue. It is an inherent physical property of the construction material issue.

It's like telling me that it is a "design issue" when I point out that granite can only withstand a certain amount of tensile force before it crumbles.

Absolutely absurd.

 

[SkyWriting]

"Hitler's cause or his lies"

Most forums will automatically remove a person's membership if they bring up this topic.
(So feel free to continue, if you wish)

 

[AV1611VET]

This is not a "design" issue. It is an inherent physical property of the construction material issue.

I'm sure even Nathan would disagree with you on this, Zephyr...

To be sure, had Noah built it out of tissue paper, God could've made it float...

... as would Carl Sagat, in my opinion.

Like I always say, a literal translation makes even those hostile to the Bible agree with what It is saying.

 

[SkyWriting]

This is not a "design" issue. It is an inherent physical property of the construction material issue.

It's like telling me that it is a "design issue" when I point out that granite can only withstand a certain amount of tensile force before it crumbles.

Absolutely absurd.

What are the inherent physical properties of the wood used on the Ark?
And what were the compression and tensile strengths?
Perhaps my figures are wrong.