Texas couple asked to leave restaurant for wearing masks

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The dignity has been stripped out of work itself at all but the highest levels. Everyone knows Jeff Bezos, but the employees that actually make Amazon (or whatever other company you can think of) work by their own labor are treated essentially like machines. It's the same at any service job, whether it involves 'essential workers' or not.

I agree with TK above. This can't go on as it has been. For at least as long as I've been alive (40 years, basically), I have been told by the older and supposedly wiser that minimum wage jobs aren't supposed to be providing for an actual life; they're meant to give teenagers some spending money and a sense of responsibility. That's not what one of the architects of the minimum wage in the USA, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt, meant to be establishing at all. As he said in his speech about the National Industrial Recovery Act in 1933, "It seems to me to be equally plain that no business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country. By 'business' I mean the whole of commerce as well as the whole of industry; by workers I mean all workers, the white-collar class as well as the men in overalls; and by living wages, I mean more than a bare subsistence level-I mean the wages of decent living." (emphasis at source)

So if we're going to talk about how things have changed for the worse, let's not limit ourselves to how our workforce is apparently in revolt. Let's also look at why that might be. I believe the roots of what we are seeing now are in the consistent abandonment of America's lower and middle classes by those with the political and financial power to actually affect change in favor of the American worker and consumer. And so, since we have no one in government (aside from a few socialist-esque oddballs, maybe) who will do what needs to be done, we are now seeing what happens when what power the workers do have is flexed. And not in some kind of communist takeover of the means of production, but simply because they are the means of production -- the business rely on their labor to be productive/to operate at maximum efficiency. Even in the 'lowest' job in the minds of many (a job where people certainly don't 'deserve' $15/hour, say some), without anyone to push the whopper button, the fast food chain can't produce and hence can't sell any whoppers.
 
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Their infant was at home being looked after by the grandmother.

So they had no intent of seeing their child again, after sitting in a confined area, eating food that was possibly contaminated with Covid, without masks, in a room full of unmasked strangers; before they passed the incubation period, and then got tested for Covid?

That seems like an awful lot to go through, just to get kicked out of a restaurant for willfully violating their terms of service.
 
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The couple are both vaccinated, but they have 4 month-old with cystic fibrosis. They mask in public, to reduce the chance they might spread coronavirus to their immunocompromised infant. The restaurant, in Rowlett, TX, north of Dallas, apparently has a strict no-mask policy.

What does it matter if customers wear a mask temporarily? They have to remove it to eat and drink. :doh:

If Yelp has a rating for horrible service, this dive gets 5 stars for stupid, offensive, discriminatory, and inhospitable.

A Texas couple wore face masks at a restaurant to protect their immunocompromised infant. The owner asked them to leave

It's for their own good... If someone is masking, it's because there's a health vulnerability. Nobody wants to be responsible for anyone else's death.
 
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So they had no intent of seeing their child again, after sitting in a confined area, eating food that was possibly contaminated with Covid, without masks, in a room full of unmasked strangers; before they passed the incubation period, and then got tested for Covid?

That seems like an awful lot to go through, just to get kicked out of a restaurant for willfully violating their terms of service.

They wore a mask because they believed, along with their vaccination, that it keep them safe from Covid and possibly other air born disease. Now if that is true or wishful thinking on their part isn't the point, they felt they had enough protection to go out for a short while. Personally I think takeaway in a park would be safer or just a walk, but if there is no mask law in place someone wearing or not wearing one should not bother anyone else.
 
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They wore a mask because they believed, along with their vaccination, that it keep them safe from Covid and possibly other air born disease. Now if that is true or wishful thinking on their part isn't the point, they felt they had enough protection to go out for a short while. Personally I think takeaway in a park would be safer or just a walk, but if there is no mask law in place someone wearing or not wearing one should not bother anyone else.

Maybe the owner of the restaurant feels that wearing masks reminds people that they are sitting in close quarters, breathing the same air, and putting food that was recently touched by strangers into into their mouths, in the middle of an epidemic. Maybe the owner thinks that might bother some people. Maybe he thinks that's bad for business. Maybe that bothers him. If the owner of the restaurant requires certain attire to offer service, that shouldn't bother anyone.

Have you ever see the sign, "No Shoes. No Shirt, No Service?"
 
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The dignity has been stripped out of work itself at all but the highest levels.

People don't wait tables or clean toilets for "dignity." They do it because they have bills to pay.

If the wages don't cover the cost of living, then the sole reason for working no longer applies.

Everyone knows Jeff Bezos, but the employees that actually make Amazon (or whatever other company you can think of) work by their own labor are treated essentially like machines. It's the same at any service job, whether it involves 'essential workers' or not.

Precisely -- someone explain to me the dignity of stacking boxes 40+ hours a week just so Bezos can launch himself into space... again.

I agree with TK above. This can't go on as it has been. For at least as long as I've been alive (40 years, basically), I have been told by the older and supposedly wiser that minimum wage jobs aren't supposed to be providing for an actual life; they're meant to give teenagers some spending money and a sense of responsibility. That's not what one of the architects of the minimum wage in the USA, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt, meant to be establishing at all. As he said in his speech about the National Industrial Recovery Act in 1933, "It seems to me to be equally plain that no business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country. By 'business' I mean the whole of commerce as well as the whole of industry; by workers I mean all workers, the white-collar class as well as the men in overalls; and by living wages, I mean more than a bare subsistence level-I mean the wages of decent living." (emphasis at source)

Precisely once again -- besides, if those jobs were meant for "giving teenagers some spending money," someone explain to me how those businesses manage to stay open from 8-3 on school days.

...we do want those teenagers to get an education, don't we?

So if we're going to talk about how things have changed for the worse, let's not limit ourselves to how our workforce is apparently in revolt. Let's also look at why that might be. I believe the roots of what we are seeing now are in the consistent abandonment of America's lower and middle classes by those with the political and financial power to actually affect change in favor of the American worker and consumer. And so, since we have no one in government (aside from a few socialist-esque oddballs, maybe) who will do what needs to be done, we are now seeing what happens when what power the workers do have is flexed. And not in some kind of communist takeover of the means of production, but simply because they are the means of production -- the business rely on their labor to be productive/to operate at maximum efficiency. Even in the 'lowest' job in the minds of many (a job where people certainly don't 'deserve' $15/hour, say some), without anyone to push the whopper button, the fast food chain can't produce and hence can't sell any whoppers.

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Maybe the owner of the restaurant feels that wearing masks reminds people that they are sitting in close quarters, breathing the same air, and putting food that was recently touched by strangers into into their mouths, in the middle of an epidemic. Maybe the owner thinks that might bother some people. Maybe he thinks that's bad for business. Maybe that bothers him. If the owner of the restaurant requires certain attire to offer service, that shouldn't bother anyone.

Have you ever see the sign, "No Shoes. No Shirt, No Service?"

Maybe... or maybe it's just plain spite.

Considering that the manager admitted his motivations are political, as opposed to financial, I'm going to stick with my theory over yours...
 
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Irrelevant. When people are eating and drinking they don't wear masks. Masks are a placebo. People don't eat or drink with masks. The germs are going everywhere.

I know you don't want to think so, because you believe in them. But people spend 45 minutes or more in a restaurant and only 5-10 minutes at most are spent wearing the mask.
Can’t you see how the host not being exposed as much because people are all masked around her is good for her? She’s not around then when they are at the table. If you don’t believe masks work, that’s another matter…
 
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Yes every business is hurting. The restaurant business maybe more, but nearly every business is needing employees. Every retailer, construction, convenience stores, universities, etc. Everyone is hurting. Where are our workers? It didn't used to be like this.
Some started their own business. Some went back to school. Some are being a stay-home parent. Some went into another industry. A lot of low-wage workers have quit on the spot recently over working conditions and are shopping around for the best offer. It’s an employee market. What I’m seeing is COVID really brought home for a lot people how much their employer doesn’t care about them. Many were told they were "essential" yet still paid poverty wages.
 
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I think it's rude and ridiculous for people to act that way. But it's not just the anti-maskers. Plenty of people have been harassed for not wearing them as well. It's the state of affairs in America right now that we can't be civil to each other. We can't disagree without exhibiting anger, cursing at, assaulting one another.

And it happens on all sides now.

Top 10 Victims Of Violence Because They Weren't Wearing Masks - Listverse

VIDEO: COVID-Deranged Shoppers Harass, Assault Teens For Not Wearing Masks at Walmart - The New American
That’s a bit off topic. Workers aren’t getting harassed for not wearing masks. And we all know which group has been the worst. There are far more instances of temper tantrums from anti-maskers. These people are very angry and not mentally stable.
 
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Perhaps.

It doesn't look good on anyone, does it?

Doesn't look good on the restaurant... the couple who got ejected seem blameless -- although I suspect I'm about to hear why they aren't.
 
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Maybe everyone could simply wear a trash bag over his head?

; )

Well if you're willing to go around with a gas mask and full-body hazmat suit, then you can afford to not care whether anyone else is wearing a mask or vaccinated or not. But most people probably wouldn't want to do that.
 
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Maybe the owner of the restaurant feels that wearing masks reminds people that they are sitting in close quarters, breathing the same air, and putting food that was recently touched by strangers into into their mouths, in the middle of an epidemic. Maybe the owner thinks that might bother some people. Maybe he thinks that's bad for business. Maybe that bothers him. If the owner of the restaurant requires certain attire to offer service, that shouldn't bother anyone.

Have you ever see the sign, "No Shoes. No Shirt, No Service?"

That is not what he said though. If in his interview had indicated that type of thinking I would feel some empathy for him. The way the interview came over was that he is simply an intolerant bigot waving around his big muscles because he can.
Nothing he said indicated that masks were triggering for him (better not go out then as some people will be sure to be wearing one) or that he was thinking of other people's comfort.

Notice on the sign the key word is no. It is all about what someone is not wearing, not what they are wearing. It is due to them wearing too little, not too much.
 
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That is not what he said though. If in his interview had indicated that type of thinking I would feel some empathy for him. The way the interview came over was that he is simply an intolerant bigot waving around his big muscles because he can.
Nothing he said indicated that masks were triggering for him (better not go out then as some people will be sure to be wearing one) or that he was thinking of other people's comfort.

Notice on the sign the key word is no. It is all about what someone is not wearing, not what they are wearing. It is due to them wearing too little, not too much.

I can't see the sign. Can you post it?

In order for me to view that site; I have to allow them to write scripts to my computer, that do heaven knows what.

Frankly, I don't trust that company enough to allow them access to control my computer, in exchange for the privilege to consider their propaganda.
 
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